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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:47 am
Post subject: Camry tire questions (tires stolen from Chicago park district lot!)
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Some close friends had a strange experience in Chicago: Their Camry was
parked in the official parking lot of Garfield Park Conservatory run by
Chicago Park District. It is supposed to have security. Whatever
happened, their two passenger-side tires were stolen from the parking
lot, in daylight on a Sunday afternoon!
After a few anxious hours they were able to get an extra spare and
somehow get home. They are a little shaken up, so I thought some advice
from you guys will help them make good decisions.
***Chicago questions***
While the staff were nice and sympathetic...
1. If the lot is supposed to have security, are security guys "in" on
such incidents? How else can people steal tires from a Park District
lot next to a major tourist attraction?
2. Who do my friends contact for reimbursements/damages?
***Car questions***
1. The car still has 2 tires close to 1/2 life. One spare is full size
brand new. (The other spare they hustled is worthless). In this case
what would be the best strategy? Buy 4 new tires? Just two?
The original tires are Goodyear Regatta 2. If they buy all four new,
which is the best value all-season tire for Midwest?
2. Rims/wheels were stolen along with the tires. Can they just buy 2
rims? Do those need to match the others? Or, they have to buy 4?
Thanks.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:44 am
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In article , Ajanta wrote:
> 1. If the lot is supposed to have security, are security guys "in" on
> such incidents? How else can people steal tires from a Park District
> lot next to a major tourist attraction?
Maybe, or then again it could be they are lazy and just don't care.
> 2. Who do my friends contact for reimbursements/damages?
Good luck with that.
> 1. The car still has 2 tires close to 1/2 life. One spare is full size
> brand new. (The other spare they hustled is worthless). In this case
> what would be the best strategy? Buy 4 new tires? Just two?
Always ideal to get 4 new tires. However, if the two remaining are
equally new, put those on the front and put the new tires and wheels on
the rear. (better tires go on the rear to prevent oversteer) Given it's a
FWD car, they will may be worn out before there is significant wear
on the new ones on the rear. Then get two more new tires (same brand) put
them on the rear, move the first 'new' set to the front.
> The original tires are Goodyear Regatta 2. If they buy all four new,
> which is the best value all-season tire for Midwest?
Couldn't tell ya for a camry. Best to get the same brand and size as the
remaining 2 if replacing only two.
> 2. Rims/wheels were stolen along with the tires. Can they just buy 2
> rims? Do those need to match the others? Or, they have to buy 4?
The 2 need to be the same size as before. There are several ways you can
get used rims. Steel or alloy? See your local salvage yard.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:13 am
Post subject: Re: Camry tire questions (tires stolen from Chicago park district lot!) [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Ajanta wrote:
> ***Chicago questions***
>
> While the staff were nice and sympathetic...
>
> 1. If the lot is supposed to have security, are security guys "in" on
> such incidents? How else can people steal tires from a Park District
> lot next to a major tourist attraction?
I'm sure there are signs plastered everywhere saying "not resposible
for anything lost or damage". The security guys are there to prevent
people from using the lot and not paying or to prevent damage to their
property, not yours. >> Stay informed about: Camry tire questions (tires stolen from Chicago park distr.. |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:37 am
Post subject: Re: Camry tire questions (tires stolen from Chicago park district lot!) [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> Ajanta wrote:
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> > ***Chicago questions***
> >
> > While the staff were nice and sympathetic...
> >
> > 1. If the lot is supposed to have security, are security guys "in" on
> > such incidents? How else can people steal tires from a Park District
> > lot next to a major tourist attraction?
>
> I'm sure there are signs plastered everywhere saying "not resposible
> for anything lost or damage". The security guys are there to prevent
> people from using the lot and not paying or to prevent damage to their
> property, not yours.
Similar to the rock haulers that have a sign on their trucks, "Not
responsible for damage". They hope that the average person will see
the sign and not sue.
This is a good question to ask an attorney - probably by phone, for
free. Or maybe the insurance company, depending on deductible limits,
etc.
Michael >> Stay informed about: Camry tire questions (tires stolen from Chicago park distr.. |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Camry tire questions (tires stolen from Chicago park district lot!) [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:20 pm
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"Brent P" wrote in message
> In article , Ajanta wrote:
>
>> 1. If the lot is supposed to have security, are security guys "in" on
>> such incidents? How else can people steal tires from a Park District
>> lot next to a major tourist attraction?
>
> Maybe, or then again it could be they are lazy and just don't care.
>
>> 2. Who do my friends contact for reimbursements/damages?
>
> Good luck with that.
>
>> 1. The car still has 2 tires close to 1/2 life. One spare is full size
>> brand new. (The other spare they hustled is worthless). In this case
>> what would be the best strategy? Buy 4 new tires? Just two?
>
> Always ideal to get 4 new tires. However, if the two remaining are
> equally new, put those on the front and put the new tires and wheels on
> the rear. (better tires go on the rear to prevent oversteer) Given it's a
> FWD car, they will may be worn out before there is significant wear
> on the new ones on the rear. Then get two more new tires (same brand) put
> them on the rear, move the first 'new' set to the front.
>
>> The original tires are Goodyear Regatta 2. If they buy all four new,
>> which is the best value all-season tire for Midwest?
>
> Couldn't tell ya for a camry. Best to get the same brand and size as the
> remaining 2 if replacing only two.
>
>> 2. Rims/wheels were stolen along with the tires. Can they just buy 2
>> rims? Do those need to match the others? Or, they have to buy 4?
>
> The 2 need to be the same size as before. There are several ways you can
> get used rims. Steel or alloy? See your local salvage yard.
>
> Buy some lock lugs.
>
Call the insurance company and take the car to a dealer >> Stay informed about: Camry tire questions (tires stolen from Chicago park distr.. |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:56 pm
Post subject: Re: Camry tire questions (tires stolen from Chicago park district [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Ajanta wrote:
> Some close friends had a strange experience in Chicago: Their Camry was
> parked in the official parking lot of Garfield Park Conservatory run by
> Chicago Park District. It is supposed to have security. Whatever
> happened, their two passenger-side tires were stolen from the parking
> lot, in daylight on a Sunday afternoon!
>
> After a few anxious hours they were able to get an extra spare and
> somehow get home. They are a little shaken up, so I thought some advice
> from you guys will help them make good decisions.
>
> ***Chicago questions***
>
> While the staff were nice and sympathetic...
>
> 1. If the lot is supposed to have security, are security guys "in" on
> such incidents? How else can people steal tires from a Park District
> lot next to a major tourist attraction?
>
> 2. Who do my friends contact for reimbursements/damages?
>
>
> ***Car questions***
>
> 1. The car still has 2 tires close to 1/2 life. One spare is full size
> brand new. (The other spare they hustled is worthless). In this case
> what would be the best strategy? Buy 4 new tires? Just two?
>
> The original tires are Goodyear Regatta 2. If they buy all four new,
> which is the best value all-season tire for Midwest?
>
> 2. Rims/wheels were stolen along with the tires. Can they just buy 2
> rims? Do those need to match the others? Or, they have to buy 4?
>
> Thanks.
>
> ===
1. Buy two wheels at the dealer or junk year. You didn't say how old the
car was.
2. Buy two new tires.
3. Buy a set of wheel lug locks.
4. Check with your auto insurance to see if any of this was covered as
vandalism or theft.
The city may provide some security but they aren't responsible for
anything like this. Owner of the car assumes all risks. >> Stay informed about: Camry tire questions (tires stolen from Chicago park distr.. |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:28 am
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Ajanta wrote:
> The original tires are Goodyear Regatta 2. If they buy all four new,
> which is the best value all-season tire for Midwest?
I switched from Regatta 2's to the Assurance TripleTred and I LOVE them.
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department asking a couple of arsonists to help put out the fire.
-- Joe Lieberman >> Stay informed about: Camry tire questions (tires stolen from Chicago park distr.. |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:56 pm
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Ajanta wrote:
: Some close friends had a strange experience in Chicago: Their Camry was
: parked in the official parking lot of Garfield Park Conservatory run by
: Chicago Park District. It is supposed to have security. Whatever
: happened, their two passenger-side tires were stolen from the parking
: lot, in daylight on a Sunday afternoon!
:
: After a few anxious hours they were able to get an extra spare and
: somehow get home. They are a little shaken up, so I thought some advice
: from you guys will help them make good decisions.
: ...
: 1. The car still has 2 tires close to 1/2 life. One spare is full size
: brand new. (The other spare they hustled is worthless). In this case
: what would be the best strategy? Buy 4 new tires? Just two?
:
: The original tires are Goodyear Regatta 2. If they buy all four new,
: which is the best value all-season tire for Midwest?
:
: 2. Rims/wheels were stolen along with the tires. Can they just buy 2
: rims? Do those need to match the others? Or, they have to buy 4?
Just an update...They decided to get 2 Toyota original wheels rather
than 4 of something else. After some unsuccessful effort to locate used
wheels, they decided to order from a dealer. The dealer recommended
Yokohama Avid TRZ tires; after consulting reviews they bought those.
The dealer also advised them to replace one lug on each wheel by a
special kind that needs a "key" to open. I don't know what kind of
deterrence that would provide to thieves but it is a psychological
satisfaction to my friends. (I suppose it is like locking your car or
home. Thieves can break into locked cars and homes too, but it is still
safer to lock doors than not.) >> Stay informed about: Camry tire questions (tires stolen from Chicago park distr.. |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:56 pm
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:08:52 +0000, Ajanta wrote:
> Ajanta wrote:
>
> : Some close friends had a strange experience in Chicago: Their Camry was
> : parked in the official parking lot of Garfield Park Conservatory run by
> : Chicago Park District. It is supposed to have security. Whatever
> : happened, their two passenger-side tires were stolen from the parking
> : lot, in daylight on a Sunday afternoon!
> :
> : After a few anxious hours they were able to get an extra spare and
> : somehow get home. They are a little shaken up, so I thought some advice
> : from you guys will help them make good decisions.
> : ...
>
> : 1. The car still has 2 tires close to 1/2 life. One spare is full size
> : brand new. (The other spare they hustled is worthless). In this case
> : what would be the best strategy? Buy 4 new tires? Just two?
> :
> : The original tires are Goodyear Regatta 2. If they buy all four new,
> : which is the best value all-season tire for Midwest?
> :
> : 2. Rims/wheels were stolen along with the tires. Can they just buy 2
> : rims? Do those need to match the others? Or, they have to buy 4?
>
> Just an update...They decided to get 2 Toyota original wheels rather than
> 4 of something else. After some unsuccessful effort to locate used wheels,
> they decided to order from a dealer. The dealer recommended Yokohama Avid
> TRZ tires; after consulting reviews they bought those.
>
> The dealer also advised them to replace one lug on each wheel by a special
> kind that needs a "key" to open. I don't know what kind of deterrence that
> would provide to thieves but it is a psychological satisfaction to my
> friends. (I suppose it is like locking your car or home. Thieves can break
> into locked cars and homes too, but it is still safer to lock doors than
> not.)
There are tools that can remove these, but it's NOT as easy as not having
them. And, sometimes, the tools don't work! The only time I ever had my
wheels stolen , I decided to remove the locks because they were a pain!
ooops...
KEEP THE KEY SOMEWHERE IT CAN'T BE FOUND, but somewhere YOU know where it
is! It takes too long to remove the locks from the wheel, and unless the
key is in the console, glovebox or trunk a thief isn't going to waste time
looking. Don't hide it in an obvious place; I used to remove the ash tray
and hide it there...unless they went after the radio...or you could velcro
it and attach it to the bottom of the glove box..on the BACK of the glove
box, that is. Be creative, and when you go for service, dig the key out
BEFORE you go so they don't know where it is...some of these places the
Techs have 'friends' and the nice wheels you bought may go missing a few
days later. Sad, but there was a tire place in my area where this
happened, and a stereo place about 20 miles from here where one of the
techs was 'reclaiming' radios after a few weeks...I guess 'sanctioned' by
the owner, cause the place is closed and they're both in jail...
Good Luck! >> Stay informed about: Camry tire questions (tires stolen from Chicago park distr.. |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:14 pm
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In article , =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= wrote:
> There are tools that can remove these, but it's NOT as easy as not having
> them. And, sometimes, the tools don't work! The only time I ever had my
> wheels stolen , I decided to remove the locks because they were a pain!
> ooops...
I had a lock lug key wear out on me... cheap lock-lugs.... never again.
Anyway to get the lock lugs off involved hammering an impact socket on
the lug and using an impact wrench to get it off. They were not
difficult to defeat, just took time, tools, power, and noise. All the
things thieves wish to avoid. >> Stay informed about: Camry tire questions (tires stolen from Chicago park distr.. |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:56 pm
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:56 pm
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:14:44 -0600, Brent P wrote:
> In article ,
> =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= wrote:
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>> There are tools that can remove these, but it's NOT as easy as not
>> having them. And, sometimes, the tools don't work! The only time I ever
>> had my wheels stolen , I decided to remove the locks because they were a
>> pain! ooops...
>
> I had a lock lug key wear out on me... cheap lock-lugs.... never again.
> Anyway to get the lock lugs off involved hammering an impact socket on the
> lug and using an impact wrench to get it off. They were not difficult to
> defeat, just took time, tools, power, and noise. All the things thieves
> wish to avoid.
Gee, I never had one wear out...I LOST one, once which is why I had them
removed.
Did you have the old kind, that fit into the lug, or the newer type, that
fit over the lug? The ones that fit over are better.
There is another type out there now that fits over the whole nut, much
better than either of the two other systems, and they give you two keys.
These are the best and can be had at AutoZone for $25. I think I'll get a
set for my Scion before it's too late!
And as far as time, tools and noise...EXACTLY!!!! >> Stay informed about: Camry tire questions (tires stolen from Chicago park distr.. |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:28 pm
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In article , =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= wrote:
> Did you have the old kind, that fit into the lug, or the newer type, that
> fit over the lug? The ones that fit over are better.
It fit into the lug, but it was just cheap. friggin key wouldn't grip
anymore.
I shouldn't have used them... but they were on hand... I didn't want to
risk losing the wheels and didn't have time to go to the store. I bought
some OEM quality ones and there has been no problem since.
> There is another type out there now that fits over the whole nut, much
> better than either of the two other systems, and they give you two keys.
> These are the best and can be had at AutoZone for $25. I think I'll get a
> set for my Scion before it's too late!
Mcguard I think the one's I use now.... >> Stay informed about: Camry tire questions (tires stolen from Chicago park distr.. |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:57 pm
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