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Ed Light

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:03 am
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Ed H. wrote:

> when on a mountain road or a highway with only one lane of traffic in my
> direction of travel and someone comes up behind me, I find the first place I
> can to pull over and let them pass, regardless of the speed I'm driving or
> the posted speed limit.

Sometimes they're right on your tail, so you can't dodge into dirt
turnouts when they suddenly come up because you might get rear ended.
But if they're not, you can take the first practical turnout.
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:03 am
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"Ed H." ...
> "Tomes" ...
>> "Sal" ...
>> Tomes" wrote:
>>> "Jeff Strickland" ...
>>> > "Ed Light" ...
>>> >> I've been living in a Northern Calif. area where nobody tailgates. On
>>> >> the
>>> >> other hand, they don't stop for pedestrians very much.
>>>
>>> >> After many years I drove south to Los Angeles at 55 mph. I just
>>> >> couldn't
>>> >> understand all the people and truck drivers who don't understand that
>>> >> the
>>> >> right lane is the slow lane, and they appear to punish you for being
>>> >> there by sitting on your tail for a bit before almost knocking your
>>> >> tail
>>> >> light off passing you.
>>>
>>> >> Why don't they join the other 65+ mph folks in the left lane(s)? I
>>> >> think
>>> >> they may become disoriented surrounded by traffic out there.
>>>
>>> > They've not seen such a slow driver before, and it does not occur to
>>> > them
>>> > that you are doing 55 out of choice instead of doing 55 on the way to
>>> > 70+.
>>> > Because they expect 70+, they are slow to react to your insistance to
>>> > do
>>> > only 55.
>>>
>>> Going 55 when all of the traffic is going 70 can be construed as the
>>> infraction of 'obstructing the normal flow of traffic'.
>>> Tomes- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> NOT when the speed limit is 55. If the speed limit is 65 or 70 then
>> yes, but not when it's 55.
>> _______________________________________
>>
>> Interesting that only one poster came up with this perspective.
>>
> The same person who started this thread as well as another one about big
> SUVs and ended up posting a link to a study which he thought proved that
> big SUVs are less safe than small cars, despite the finding of the study.
> He's an unhappy troll.
>
>
>> I have personally known of one person who got a ticket for going 55 in
>> the left lane on the Turnpike in NJ. That was 2 years ago. 'Obstructing
>> the normal flow of traffic' was the charge as she was causing a line
>> behind her.
>>
> I remember an article in the paper when the national speed limit was set
> at 55MPH during the Carter administration. There were several guys in So.
> Cal. who were pissed off that most people continued to drive at 65-70MPH,
> so they got together and drove 55MPH side by side on a Los Angeles
> freeway. All of them, including the driver in the far right lane were
> cited for obstructing traffic.
>
>> Also the law in NJ: 1) Illegal to pass on the right and 2) Keep right and
>> pass left. These are selectively enforced.
>> Tomes
> Personally, I drive to the right, except to pass (even if I have to change
> lanes several times over the course of a mile), or when the freeway
> junction or exit I wish to take is one of the left lanes, then I speed up
> to match the traffic in those lanes, regardless of the posted speed limit.
> Also, when on a mountain road or a highway with only one lane of traffic
> in my direction of travel and someone comes up behind me, I find the first
> place I can to pull over and let them pass, regardless of the speed I'm
> driving or the posted speed limit.
>
> Courtesy and safety go both ways - don't tailgate and get out of the way
> of faster moving vehicles. My father taught me "you might be right, but
> you could be _dead_ right, too." For the sake of this thread, if some one
> is tailgating, yeah they are breaking the law (you may be too), but what's
> the harm in getting out of their way and possibly avoiding a crash?
>
Well put and I agree.
Tomes

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:03 am
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"Ed Light" ...
> Ed H. wrote:
>
>> when on a mountain road or a highway with only one lane of traffic in my
>> direction of travel and someone comes up behind me, I find the first
>> place I can to pull over and let them pass, regardless of the speed I'm
>> driving or the posted speed limit.
>
> Sometimes they're right on your tail, so you can't dodge into dirt
> turnouts when they suddenly come up because you might get rear ended. But
> if they're not, you can take the first practical turnout.

This makes me remember what I wanted to do a long time ago, which was to
mount a camera [even a fake one] on a pedestal and have it rise up from the
trunk or bumper with a sign on it saying 'TailgaterCam'. I always wondered
how that would have played out...
Tomes
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badgolferman2

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:07 am
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Tomes, 6/23/2008,8:45:17 PM, wrote:

> "Ed Light" ...
> > Ed H. wrote:
> >
> > > when on a mountain road or a highway with only one lane of
> > > traffic in my direction of travel and someone comes up behind
> > > me, I find the first place I can to pull over and let them pass,
> > > regardless of the speed I'm driving or the posted speed limit.
> >
> > Sometimes they're right on your tail, so you can't dodge into dirt
> > turnouts when they suddenly come up because you might get rear
> > ended. But if they're not, you can take the first practical
> > turnout.
>
> This makes me remember what I wanted to do a long time ago, which was
> to mount a camera [even a fake one] on a pedestal and have it rise up
> from the trunk or bumper with a sign on it saying 'TailgaterCam'. I
> always wondered how that would have played out... Tomes

When I was in high school my friend was trying to race his German Ford
Capri against a Dodge Challenger one night. We were right on the
Dodge's butt and apparently the guy didn't like how close we were.
Suddenly a bright light that had been integrated into the rear bumper
lit up and blinded us enough to make my friend immediately back off and
let the Dodge go. That was a very effective tailgater deterrent.

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willshak

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:57 am
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on 6/23/2008 8:45 PM Tomes said the following:
> "Ed Light" ...
>> Ed H. wrote:
>>
>>> when on a mountain road or a highway with only one lane of traffic
>>> in my direction of travel and someone comes up behind me, I find the
>>> first place I can to pull over and let them pass, regardless of the
>>> speed I'm driving or the posted speed limit.
>>
>> Sometimes they're right on your tail, so you can't dodge into dirt
>> turnouts when they suddenly come up because you might get rear ended.
>> But if they're not, you can take the first practical turnout.
>
> This makes me remember what I wanted to do a long time ago, which was
> to mount a camera [even a fake one] on a pedestal and have it rise up
> from the trunk or bumper with a sign on it saying 'TailgaterCam'. I
> always wondered how that would have played out...
> Tomes

My friend was a cop and his take home vehicle was an unmarked Ford Crown
Vic with hidden EM lights and siren.
Many times someone would come up right on his tail and hang there at
less than a car length. My friend turned on the hidden EM lights for a
second and the offender would drop back about 10 car lengths. Other
times, when he was stuck in a pack and observed a driver that was in
hurry and was making gestures to the cars in front of him/her, a tap on
the siren calmed everyone down.

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knockers

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:00 am
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This thread has nothing to do with any of the 4 groups that it has
been displayed in.

It should actually be in alt.phycologically.disturbed. The anger and
hostility shown by the original poster has got to be evindent to most
of you. The cross posting is screaming for attention along with the
tone of his attacks on some vehicles and some people.

The anger shown by him to the tailgaters only shows the pending
location of the next accident. The one redeeming feature to this is
for all drivers to be aware of the other driver, he may be as angry as
these posts indicate. Drive to stay alive, not to get even, it won't
correct this guy's misguided life.

Sorry for the cross post, I'm weak like that sometimes.
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Zombywoof

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(Msg. 22) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:59 am
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Ron Peterson

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(Msg. 23) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:19 pm
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On Jun 24, 11:07 am, Zombywoof wrote:

> I thought that there was still some version of Population Density in
> the equation of setting speed limit?  Did that go away in `95?

http://www.iihs.org/laws/speedlimits.aspx shows the current speed
limits and Utah is factoring population density for some roads.

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bmckeenospam

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(Msg. 24) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:52 pm
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:06:06 -0700, Ed Light
wrote:

>I've been living in a Northern Calif. area where nobody tailgates. On
>the other hand, they don't stop for pedestrians very much.
>
>After many years I drove south to Los Angeles at 55 mph. I just couldn't
>understand all the people and truck drivers who don't understand that
>the right lane is the slow lane, and they appear to punish you for being
>there by sitting on your tail for a bit before almost knocking your tail
>light off passing you.
>
>Why don't they join the other 65+ mph folks in the left lane(s)? I think
>they may become disoriented surrounded by traffic out there.
>
>Then there are the ones waiting to take the next off-ramp.
>
>If you have to stop suddenly I'm sure that many of them would rear-end you.
>
>Any driver out there could blow a tire, hit the brakes, and swerve all
>over the freeway. I've seen it happen.
>
>The truck drivers are supposed to be professionals but they were playing
>monkey see, monkey do on those roads.
>
>I was a truck driver myself. My mission was to keep away from the cars.
>---
>Ed Light
>


Which part of Nor Cal do you drive in? They tailgate here in NorCal
also. Maybe to move the normally an immigrant who thinks the left
lane is the slow lane over. But there have always been tailgaters in
the near 50 years of NorCal driving I have done.
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PerfectReign

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(Msg. 25) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:54 pm
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(PeteCresswell) turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

> Per Z’RiX:
>>California slower VC 21654(a) "Notwithstanding the prima facie speed
>>limits"
>>
>>Keep with the flow...
>>
>>http://www.driverightpassleft.com/laws/index.asp
>
>
> I like the way they do it in Germany. Any lane except the far
> right, you see somebody closing, you move over. If they had to
> slow down, you moved too late and you'll hear about it.
>
> And *nobody* passes on the right.... Makes adherence to the first
> rule a lot easier...

Yeah, when I studied (then worked) in Germany, I really enjoyed that rule.
Since I drove a POS Audi 30, there was no way I was gonna stay in the fast
lane and get run over by real cars. Razz


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John Henderson

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(Msg. 26) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:34 am
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Dad wrote:

> This thread has nothing to do with any of the 4 groups that it
> has been displayed in.
>
> It should actually be in alt.phycologically.disturbed. The
> anger and hostility shown by the original poster has got to be
> evindent to most of you. The cross posting is screaming for
> attention along with the tone of his attacks on some vehicles
> and some people.
>
> The anger shown by him to the tailgaters only shows the
> pending location of the next accident. The one redeeming
> feature to this is for all drivers to be aware of the other
> driver, he may be as angry as these posts indicate. Drive to
> stay alive, not to get even, it won't correct this guy's
> misguided life.

Thank you for your refreshingly perceptive post. Well put.

Whether we like it or not, we all lead by example.

John
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:54 pm
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on 6/24/2008 11:59 AM Zombywoof said the following:
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:49:26 -0400, "Tomes" wrote:
>
>
>> "Sal" ...
>> Tomes" wrote:
>>
>>> "Jeff Strickland" ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Ed Light" ...
>>>>
>>>>> I've been living in a Northern Calif. area where nobody tailgates. On
>>>>> the
>>>>> other hand, they don't stop for pedestrians very much.
>>>>>
>>>>> After many years I drove south to Los Angeles at 55 mph. I just
>>>>> couldn't
>>>>> understand all the people and truck drivers who don't understand that
>>>>> the
>>>>> right lane is the slow lane, and they appear to punish you for being
>>>>> there by sitting on your tail for a bit before almost knocking your
>>>>> tail
>>>>> light off passing you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't they join the other 65+ mph folks in the left lane(s)? I
>>>>> think
>>>>> they may become disoriented surrounded by traffic out there.
>>>>>
>>>> They've not seen such a slow driver before, and it does not occur to
>>>> them
>>>> that you are doing 55 out of choice instead of doing 55 on the way to
>>>> 70+.
>>>> Because they expect 70+, they are slow to react to your insistance to do
>>>> only 55.
>>>>
>>> Going 55 when all of the traffic is going 70 can be construed as the
>>> infraction of 'obstructing the normal flow of traffic'.
>>> Tomes- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>> NOT when the speed limit is 55. If the speed limit is 65 or 70 then
>> yes, but not when it's 55.
>> _______________________________________
>>
>> Interesting that only one poster came up with this perspective.
>>
>> I have personally known of one person who got a ticket for going 55 in the
>> left lane on the Turnpike in NJ. That was 2 years ago. 'Obstructing the
>> normal flow of traffic' was the charge as she was causing a line behind her.
>>
>> Also the law in NJ: 1) Illegal to pass on the right and 2) Keep right and
>> pass left. These are selectively enforced.
>> Tomes
>>
>>
> Selectively enforced yes, but on the NJ Turnpike highly enforced.
>
> Traffic fines for exceeding the 65mph Speed Limit are doubled on the
> Turnpike, and the Jersey Troopers (Ever notice their uniforms look a
> lot like Nazis) will give you a ticket for 68 in a heartbeat.
>
For some people, all police uniforms look like Nazis.

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(Msg. 29) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:18 pm
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:54:25 -0400, willshak wrote:

:>on 6/24/2008 11:59 AM Zombywoof said the following:
:>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:49:26 -0400, "Tomes" wrote:

:>> Selectively enforced yes, but on the NJ Turnpike highly enforced.
:>>
:>> Traffic fines for exceeding the 65mph Speed Limit are doubled on the
:>> Turnpike, and the Jersey Troopers (Ever notice their uniforms look a
:>> lot like Nazis) will give you a ticket for 68 in a heartbeat.
:>>
:>For some people, all police uniforms look like Nazis.

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