What tailgaters deserve

I've been living in a Northern Calif. area where nobody tailgates. On
the other hand, they don't stop for pedestrians very much.

After many years I drove south to Los Angeles at 55 mph. I just couldn't
understand all the people and truck drivers who don't understand that
the right lane is the slow lane, and they appear to punish you for being
there by sitting on your tail for a bit before almost knocking your tail
light off passing you.

Why don't they join the other 65+ mph folks in the left lane(s)? I think
they may become disoriented surrounded by traffic out there.

Then there are the ones waiting to take the next off-ramp.

If you have to stop suddenly I'm sure that many of them would rear-end you.

Any driver out there could blow a tire, hit the brakes, and swerve all
over the freeway. I've seen it happen.

The truck drivers are supposed to be professionals but they were playing
monkey see, monkey do on those roads.

I was a truck driver myself. My mission was to keep away from the cars.
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"Ed Light" wrote in message

> I've been living in a Northern Calif. area where nobody tailgates. On the
> other hand, they don't stop for pedestrians very much.
>
> After many years I drove south to Los Angeles at 55 mph. I just couldn't
> understand all the people and truck drivers who don't understand that the
> right lane is the slow lane, and they appear to punish you for being there
> by sitting on your tail for a bit before almost knocking your tail light
> off passing you.
>
> Why don't they join the other 65+ mph folks in the left lane(s)? I think
> they may become disoriented surrounded by traffic out there.
>

They've not seen such a slow driver before, and it does not occur to them
that you are doing 55 out of choice instead of doing 55 on the way to 70+.
Because they expect 70+, they are slow to react to your insistance to do
only 55.
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"Jeff Strickland" ...
> "Ed Light" ...
>> I've been living in a Northern Calif. area where nobody tailgates. On the
>> other hand, they don't stop for pedestrians very much.
>>
>> After many years I drove south to Los Angeles at 55 mph. I just couldn't
>> understand all the people and truck drivers who don't understand that the
>> right lane is the slow lane, and they appear to punish you for being
>> there by sitting on your tail for a bit before almost knocking your tail
>> light off passing you.
>>
>> Why don't they join the other 65+ mph folks in the left lane(s)? I think
>> they may become disoriented surrounded by traffic out there.
>>
>
> They've not seen such a slow driver before, and it does not occur to them
> that you are doing 55 out of choice instead of doing 55 on the way to 70+.
> Because they expect 70+, they are slow to react to your insistance to do
> only 55.
>
Going 55 when all of the traffic is going 70 can be construed as the
infraction of 'obstructing the normal flow of traffic'.
Tomes
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Per Tomes:
>Going 55 when all of the traffic is going 70 can be construed as the
>infraction of 'obstructing the normal flow of traffic'.

After getting a ticket for going 67 on 42 South in NJ from some
cop who seemed indignant about the whole thing, I tried running
that road at a true 55 (the posted limit) a few times.

Sheesh! A number of people were visibly upset, and some of them
were actually accelerating away from me as they went down
off-ramps.

Heaven forbid somebody going 55 should have to exit left.

Personally, I didn't feel safe and now that I've had my little
snit fit, I don't intend to do it any more.

A true 60, yes - that works...on that particular road.

But 55? No way Jose'.
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"Tomes" wrote in message

> "Jeff Strickland" ...
>> "Ed Light" ...
>>> I've been living in a Northern Calif. area where nobody tailgates. On
>>> the other hand, they don't stop for pedestrians very much.
>>>
>>> After many years I drove south to Los Angeles at 55 mph. I just couldn't
>>> understand all the people and truck drivers who don't understand that
>>> the right lane is the slow lane, and they appear to punish you for being
>>> there by sitting on your tail for a bit before almost knocking your tail
>>> light off passing you.
>>>
>>> Why don't they join the other 65+ mph folks in the left lane(s)? I think
>>> they may become disoriented surrounded by traffic out there.
>>>
>>
>> They've not seen such a slow driver before, and it does not occur to them
>> that you are doing 55 out of choice instead of doing 55 on the way to
>> 70+. Because they expect 70+, they are slow to react to your insistance
>> to do only 55.
>>
> Going 55 when all of the traffic is going 70 can be construed as the
> infraction of 'obstructing the normal flow of traffic'.
> Tomes

It could be, but seldom is.
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On Jun 22, 9:35 pm, "Tomes" wrote:
> "Jeff Strickland" ...
>
>
>
> > "Ed Light" ...
> >> I've been living in a Northern Calif. area where nobody tailgates. On the
> >> other hand, they don't stop for pedestrians very much.
>
> >> After many years I drove south to Los Angeles at 55 mph. I just couldn't
> >> understand all the people and truck drivers who don't understand that the
> >> right lane is the slow lane, and they appear to punish you for being
> >> there by sitting on your tail for a bit before almost knocking your tail
> >> light off passing you.
>
> >> Why don't they join the other 65+ mph folks in the left lane(s)? I think
> >> they may become disoriented surrounded by traffic out there.
>
> > They've not seen such a slow driver before, and it does not occur to them
> > that you are doing 55 out of choice instead of doing 55 on the way to 70+.
> > Because they expect 70+, they are slow to react to your insistance to do
> > only 55.
>
> Going 55 when all of the traffic is going 70 can be construed as the
> infraction of 'obstructing the normal flow of traffic'.
> Tomes- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

NOT when the speed limit is 55. If the speed limit is 65 or 70 then
yes, but not when it's 55.
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Ed Light wrote:

>I've been living in a Northern Calif. area where nobody tailgates. On
>the other hand, they don't stop for pedestrians very much.
>
>After many years I drove south to Los Angeles at 55 mph. I just
>couldn't understand all the people and truck drivers who don't
>understand that the right lane is the slow lane, and they appear to
>punish you for being there by sitting on your tail for a bit before
>almost knocking your tail light off passing you.
>
>Why don't they join the other 65+ mph folks in the left lane(s)? I
>think they may become disoriented surrounded by traffic out there.
>

The problem is why don't people realize the left lane is the fast lane
and stop hugging it and holding up those who want to go faster? This
leaves the right lane open for passing the idiots who won't move over
when they're talking on their cell phones and leaving a quarter-mile
open in front of them. If you can't keep up with the traffic you
should move over to the right. Your particular situation is due to the
actions of others and the reaction of the drivers to your
dilly-dallying is because they have grown accustomed to using the right
lane for passing.
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On Jun 23, 8:55 am, Zombywoof wrote:
>
> If you are in the passing
> lane & somebody flashes their lights behind you, you should move the
> hell over as well.
>

When I flash my high beams at left lane campers they they get all
pissed off and give me the finger or slam on the brakes. They don't
realize that they're breaking the law and I'm not:

Virginia § 46.2-842.1: "It shall be unlawful to fail to give way to
overtaking traffic when driving a motor vehicle to the left and
abreast of another motor vehicle on a divided highway. On AUDIBLE OR
LIGHT SIGNAL, the driver of the overtaken vehicle SHALL MOVE TO THE
RIGHT to allow the overtaking vehicle to pass as soon as the overtaken
vehicle can safely do so."

What's unbelievable is that you can get a drivers license without ever
reading this stuff. Reading the complete vehicle code even one single
time is NOT REQUIRED! Drivers Education was 99% Mothers Against Drunk
Driving mandated anti-alcohol advertising.

http://www.driverightpassleft.com/
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"Sal" ...
Tomes" wrote:
> "Jeff Strickland" ...
>
>
>
> > "Ed Light" ...
> >> I've been living in a Northern Calif. area where nobody tailgates. On
> >> the
> >> other hand, they don't stop for pedestrians very much.
>
> >> After many years I drove south to Los Angeles at 55 mph. I just
> >> couldn't
> >> understand all the people and truck drivers who don't understand that
> >> the
> >> right lane is the slow lane, and they appear to punish you for being
> >> there by sitting on your tail for a bit before almost knocking your
> >> tail
> >> light off passing you.
>
> >> Why don't they join the other 65+ mph folks in the left lane(s)? I
> >> think
> >> they may become disoriented surrounded by traffic out there.
>
> > They've not seen such a slow driver before, and it does not occur to
> > them
> > that you are doing 55 out of choice instead of doing 55 on the way to
> > 70+.
> > Because they expect 70+, they are slow to react to your insistance to do
> > only 55.
>
> Going 55 when all of the traffic is going 70 can be construed as the
> infraction of 'obstructing the normal flow of traffic'.
> Tomes- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

NOT when the speed limit is 55. If the speed limit is 65 or 70 then
yes, but not when it's 55.
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Interesting that only one poster came up with this perspective.

I have personally known of one person who got a ticket for going 55 in the
left lane on the Turnpike in NJ. That was 2 years ago. 'Obstructing the
normal flow of traffic' was the charge as she was causing a line behind her.

Also the law in NJ: 1) Illegal to pass on the right and 2) Keep right and
pass left. These are selectively enforced.
Tomes
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>> hell over as well.
>>
>> BTW -- if everybody is driving off a cliff, you going to join the
>> lemmings as well?
>
> You must not or have not ever drivin in LA...
> You MUST keep with the flow or cause a traffic jam that
> will last for hours causing people time and money and WILL
> get you shot on an LA freeway...
>
>


California slower VC 21654(a) "Notwithstanding the prima facie speed
limits"

Keep with the flow...

http://www.driverightpassleft.com/laws/index.asp



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ZÿRiX
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"The Reverend Natural Light" ...
Zombywoof wrote:
>
> If you are in the passing
> lane & somebody flashes their lights behind you, you should move the
> hell over as well.
>
When I flash my high beams at left lane campers they they get all
pissed off and give me the finger or slam on the brakes. They don't
realize that they're breaking the law and I'm not:

Virginia § 46.2-842.1: "It shall be unlawful to fail to give way to
overtaking traffic when driving a motor vehicle to the left and
abreast of another motor vehicle on a divided highway. On AUDIBLE OR
LIGHT SIGNAL, the driver of the overtaken vehicle SHALL MOVE TO THE
RIGHT to allow the overtaking vehicle to pass as soon as the overtaken
vehicle can safely do so."

What's unbelievable is that you can get a drivers license without ever
reading this stuff. Reading the complete vehicle code even one single
time is NOT REQUIRED! Drivers Education was 99% Mothers Against Drunk
Driving mandated anti-alcohol advertising.

http://www.driverightpassleft.com/
__________________________________________

Nice link. I encourage everyone to check out what the rule actually is in
the state that they drive in. It is not the same rule everywhere....

I do like the The Uniform Vehicle Code which states [this is lifted from the
above site]:

"Upon all roadways any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of
traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall
be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic ..."

** and then the site notes this:
"Note that this law refers to the 'normal' speed of traffic, not the 'legal'
speed of traffic. The 60 MPH driver in a 55 MPH zone where everybody else is
going 65 MPH must move right. Contrast Alaska's rule, 13 AAC 002.50,
allowing vehicles driving at the speed limit to use the left lane, and
Colorado rev. stat. 42-4-1103, prohibiting blocking the "normal and
reasonable" movement of traffic."

**I note this:
What bugs me is not only the left lane obstructionists, but also those that
must just go to the middle lane immediately. If one is not actively passing
anyone, one should be in the rightmost lane always.

I would also like to know what this Uniform Vehicle Code is and what its
jurisdiction is.
Tomes
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Per ZÿRiX:
>California slower VC 21654(a) "Notwithstanding the prima facie speed
>limits"
>
>Keep with the flow...
>
>http://www.driverightpassleft.com/laws/index.asp


I like the way they do it in Germany. Any lane except the far
right, you see somebody closing, you move over. If they had to
slow down, you moved too late and you'll hear about it.

And *nobody* passes on the right.... Makes adherence to the first
rule a lot easier...
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PeteCresswell
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"Tomes" wrote in message

> "Sal" ...
> Tomes" wrote:
>> "Jeff Strickland" ...
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Ed Light" ...
>> >> I've been living in a Northern Calif. area where nobody tailgates. On
>> >> the
>> >> other hand, they don't stop for pedestrians very much.
>>
>> >> After many years I drove south to Los Angeles at 55 mph. I just
>> >> couldn't
>> >> understand all the people and truck drivers who don't understand that
>> >> the
>> >> right lane is the slow lane, and they appear to punish you for being
>> >> there by sitting on your tail for a bit before almost knocking your
>> >> tail
>> >> light off passing you.
>>
>> >> Why don't they join the other 65+ mph folks in the left lane(s)? I
>> >> think
>> >> they may become disoriented surrounded by traffic out there.
>>
>> > They've not seen such a slow driver before, and it does not occur to
>> > them
>> > that you are doing 55 out of choice instead of doing 55 on the way to
>> > 70+.
>> > Because they expect 70+, they are slow to react to your insistance to
>> > do
>> > only 55.
>>
>> Going 55 when all of the traffic is going 70 can be construed as the
>> infraction of 'obstructing the normal flow of traffic'.
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>> - Show quoted text -
>
> NOT when the speed limit is 55. If the speed limit is 65 or 70 then
> yes, but not when it's 55.
> _______________________________________
>
> Interesting that only one poster came up with this perspective.
>
The same person who started this thread as well as another one about big
SUVs and ended up posting a link to a study which he thought proved that big
SUVs are less safe than small cars, despite the finding of the study. He's
an unhappy troll.


> I have personally known of one person who got a ticket for going 55 in the
> left lane on the Turnpike in NJ. That was 2 years ago. 'Obstructing the
> normal flow of traffic' was the charge as she was causing a line behind
> her.
>
I remember an article in the paper when the national speed limit was set at
55MPH during the Carter administration. There were several guys in So. Cal.
who were pissed off that most people continued to drive at 65-70MPH, so they
got together and drove 55MPH side by side on a Los Angeles freeway. All of
them, including the driver in the far right lane were cited for obstructing
traffic.




> Also the law in NJ: 1) Illegal to pass on the right and 2) Keep right and
> pass left. These are selectively enforced.
> Tomes
Personally, I drive to the right, except to pass (even if I have to change
lanes several times over the course of a mile), or when the freeway junction
or exit I wish to take is one of the left lanes, then I speed up to match
the traffic in those lanes, regardless of the posted speed limit. Also,
when on a mountain road or a highway with only one lane of traffic in my
direction of travel and someone comes up behind me, I find the first place I
can to pull over and let them pass, regardless of the speed I'm driving or
the posted speed limit.

Courtesy and safety go both ways - don't tailgate and get out of the way of
faster moving vehicles. My father taught me "you might be right, but you
could be _dead_ right, too." For the sake of this thread, if some one is
tailgating, yeah they are breaking the law (you may be too), but what's the
harm in getting out of their way and possibly avoiding a crash?
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