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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:53 pm
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Nissan Z, step aside
Lindsay Chappell
Automotive News
October 24, 2007 - 6:22 am ET
Details of a supercar
Nissan's GT-R will include:
480 hp 3.8-liter twin-turbo V6
Dual-clutch transmission
Independent transaxle 4-wheel-drive
Free annual engine and transmission tuning for three years
Base price (Japanese market): $67,800
TOKYO-Nissan Motor Co. has entered the world of testosterone-fueled
supercars with the unveiling here today of its new GT-R sports car.
The car's expected $67,000 price tag will double the price of the brand's
current sportscar offering, the 350Z, and triple the price of its
best-selling Altima family sedan.
The GT-R will reach U.S. dealerships next June with a new 480-horsepower
engine, specially designed 20-inch racing tires, and two extra coats of
paint. The car's uniquely designed powertrain system rests the engine over
the front axle and the transmission over the rear axle in order to dampen
vibration at speeds of up to 180 miles an hour.
It will require U.S. dealer service technicians to travel to Japan for two
weeks of training to become certified to work on the model.
An automaker that was on the doorstep of bankruptcy seven years ago, Nissan
has been developing the GT-R under closely guarded security for the past
four years. Today at the Tokyo Motor Show today, Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn
introduced the GT-R as Nissan's new technology flagship.
"This is no mere muscle car," Ghosn told a crowded audience of mostly Asian
and European journalists here. "We wanted to make a car that stretched our
engineering abilities to the limit."
As far as sales go, the GT-R will barely make a blip on Ghosn's global
three-year push for 600,000 new Nissan sales. The Japanese production line
created to build the GT-R will only turn out 30 to 50 cars a day-a capacity
of just 12,000 globally.
But Ghosn believes the supercar will stimulate sales floor traffic in Nissan
dealerships around the world. He said the company has already sold out the
first three months worth of GT-R production, and orders are coming from
markets as far-flung as Russia and Qatar.
U.S. pricing on the car has not been announced. |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:53 pm
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:53 pm
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On Oct 24, 8:34 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:53:18 -0400, "C. E. White"
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> <cewhi... DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote:
> >Nissan's GT-R will include:
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> >480 hp 3.8-liter twin-turbo V6
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> That's a deal-breaker right there. Well, that and the price. 
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> Why deal with turbo lag, engine parts that glow bright orange after
> you drive your car and melt if you don't cool them down properly when
> you can just get a larger NA engine?
I was thinking something completely different; why would you have a
V-6 when both Nissan and Toyota in the past have had perfectly good
I-6 designs that they chose not to develop and/or replace with updated
versions of the same architecture. Guess I have to buy a Bimmer to
get my fix of creamy smooth I-6 goodness (Ford pickup technically
qualifies but is not nearly as satisfying.) Or find an old Supra that
hasn't been "Fast and Furioused" to death. Or an original Z-car, or
Triumph TR-6... (I'd be happy with any, probably...)
Drive a VW with the 1.8T engine (I guess now it's a 2.0T) and you will
begin worshipping at the Church of Forced Induction. That sucker has
a torque curve that looks like my kitchen table. It is, indeed, a
beautiful thing. I hope my mom gets sick of my old car soon so I can
buy it back
Of course this new GT-R is going to never be imported to the US (case
in point, the previous Skyline GT-R) so any praises or complaints are
really academic at this point.
Also, to respond to the initial article - isn't the Z a little porky
to be considered a "sports car?" I'd consider it a 2-person GT
myself. It's a nice car, don't get me wrong, but it just doesn't push
my "sports car" buttons.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:18 am
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"N8N" <njnagel RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> get my fix of creamy smooth I-6 goodness (Ford pickup technically
> qualifies but is not nearly as satisfying.)
Ford quit selling an I-6 in pickups a decade ago. The last application
was 1996 F250 2WD. I had a 4.9L I-6 in my 1992 F150 - great engine,
but it made the truck very nose heavy. You can still get an I-6 diesel
in a Dodge pickup truck. GM sells a DOHC I-6 in the intermediate sized
SUVs (TrailBlazer etc.).
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:00 am
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On Oct 25, 7:18 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi....RemoveThis@removemindspring.com>
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> "N8N" <njna....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:1193273544.559077.187920@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
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> > get my fix of creamy smooth I-6 goodness (Ford pickup technically
> > qualifies but is not nearly as satisfying.)
>
> Ford quit selling an I-6 in pickups a decade ago. The last application
> was 1996 F250 2WD. I had a 4.9L I-6 in my 1992 F150 - great engine,
> but it made the truck very nose heavy. You can still get an I-6 diesel
> in a Dodge pickup truck. GM sells a DOHC I-6 in the intermediate sized
> SUVs (TrailBlazer etc.).
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> Ed
Yeah, all of my vehicles (save for the company car) are well broken
in
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:50 am
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:53 am
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:31 pm
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:31 pm
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:40 am
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"Scott in SoCal" <scottenaztlan.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:31:51 GMT, still me <wheeledBob.DeleteThis@yahoo.com>
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>>Most turbo's today blow heavy by about 2K RPM, so it's really not
>>"higher revs" anymore. Once you are off the line, it's cranking. I
>>have to admit, it took me over a year to figure out how to have it
>>blowing as you take off.
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> By brake-torquing it?
No.
>>Back to your question "is it worth the hassle?". Traditionally, the
>>turbo will get better mileage than the non-turbo for the same amount
>>of power as it is more efficient.
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> Then turbos are different than belt-driven superchargers. My 2003
> Cobra had a 4.6L engine with a Roots supercharger, and its gas mileage
> sucked so bad I had to pay a $1000 Gas Guzzler Tax when I bought it.
> The fuel economy was MUCH worse than the normally-aspirated 4.6L
> engine in my previous Cobra (or in the Mustang GT).
Yes.
>>Also, they aren't really very complicated. Every car is already fuel
>>injected and run by a computer metering fuel and/or air these days.
>>Engine controls throw feedback to the computer and it adjusts. Same
>>old thing. The turbo system just adds a little plumbing and a couple
>>more controls. It's actually very simple and easy to get your hands
>>around.
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> All right, you've convinced me to not dismiss a turbocharged car
> out-of-hand.
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>>I think the real draw is the incredible torque in mid to upper range.
>>With most NA engines I've driven, they can pull pretty hard but the
>>pull is fairly straight then it drops off. With the turbo, as boost
>>builds, the pull just starts increasing as the boost builds, like an
>>invisible hand pushing you along.
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> Kinda like a Honda VTEC engine.
Somewhat.
>>I don't think any designs have used that since the mid-90's, but I'm
>>no industry expert. Synthetic oil has made a big difference as dino
>>oil will coke up turbo bearings at shutoff. Previously, turbos guys
>>would let the engine idle for a little bit when pulling in to let the
>>turbo cool. I haven't heard of that being an issue in any recent model
>>turbos.
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> Good to know. Thanks for the info!
Enjoy your chevy.
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