Welcome to AutoBoardz.com!
FAQFAQ   SearchSearch      ProfileProfile    Private MessagesPrivate Messages   Log in/Register/PasswordLog in/Register/Password

Can't shift

 
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4
   AutoBoardz (Home) -> Toyota RSS
Related Topics:
2002 Toyota Sienna Automatic Gear Shift Just Broke! - Hello, I've just joined the group and I hope you will be able to help me out. My Sienna has 55000km on it and we baby this car to the 'T'. I had just started the vehicle and was about to change from 'P' to 'D' when the gear shift lever broke. No force.

transmission flush - I have a 93 Toyota Camry. Is it possible to flush the fluid myself, or do I have to take it in? Does anyone know how to do this? Thanks!

2007 Yaris Engine Light - Hi, We purchased a 2007 Yaris hatchback on August 25, 2006. Mileage has been in the 38 to 41 mpg range. We are presently at 2,996 km on the vehicle. Filled up the vehicle two days ago. No problems with the vehicle, but today the engine light

Electric sideview mirror - My 1988 Supra's driver side mirror is electric and seems to be in good But it has always had a bunch more free play than the passenger side mirror. When I touch it with my finger there is not enough free play for my view to be changed but..

Replacing Sequoia Side mirror? - Anybody had to replace the side mirror on a Sequoia, or know where to find online?
Next:  Toyota: Bumper damage  
Author Message
Hachiroku_$B%O%A%m%/(B

External


Since: Nov 20, 2006
Posts: 2413



(Msg. 31) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:32 am
Post subject: Re: Can't shift Get Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: alt>autos>toyota (more info?)

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:23:01 -0500, Pat wrote:

>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno.TakeThisOut@ae86.GTS> wrote
>
> | I think you should tow it to my house! I will GLADLY take one of these
> | off your hands! I've been wanting one since '85. It's a 5 speed, is it
> | AWD, too?
>
> Yes, it has 4WD and is a 5-speed. Where's your house and how much do you
> wanna pay for it? I would let it go for the right price. It needs a new
> side door unless you can live with stabilized rust on the bottom part of
> it.
>
> | And. after you tow it to my house, I'll take the $60 clutch slave
> | cylinder I bought for my '85 Celica, slap it on there and be rolling
> | again in about 1 hour.
> |
> | That's sure what it sounds like. My Celica did the same thing, and I
> | suspected the slave cylinder, but of course, I didn't have the thing in
> | the car when the cylinder finally did let go. I had to buy another one.
> |
> | The upside is, if I can find the thing, and if it fits, I'll sell it to
> | you for $40.
> |
> | Fill the master cylinder under..the..hood...ooops...I don't *know* where
> | the MC is on this thing! But check the MC, fill it, and then with the
> | engine off pump the clutch while someone else has a look under the van.
> | Chances are it's pissing out of somewhere, perhaps the fluid line
> | instead of the cylinder. Also, look at the top of the clutch pedal where
> | it mates to the plunger from the MC and see if the carpet is soaked. A
> | bad MC will do the same thing. I replaced both on the Celica.
>
> Thanks so much for your advice. If the slave will fit and is needed, and
> the shipping isn't too high, I'd sure buy it from you.


This is kind of a weird situation. I've had it happen three times now.

Fill the reservoir if the fluid is low. According to AutoZone, it's behind
a panel on (or under) the dash behind a panel. It'll be a translucent
platic reservoir most likely with a black top on it. If it's empty, and
you're lucky, filling it will reolve the issue. I have an '89 Mazda this
happened to, I bought the slave, but filling the tank did the trick.

The bad part is, if it's empty, it may need bleeding. Unless there is a
leak, then it will 'sort of' bleed itself.

After you filled the tank, pump the pedal a few times, and then start the
van. Put it into a gear that's not facing anything (ie, if the nose is
facing the garage, put it in reverse) Wink

Let the clutch out and see if it's still near the floor. Also, like I
mentioned, leave the engine off and pump it. Have someone else look for
fluid running out somewhere.

If it works, good. Drive it for a while, keep an eye on the tank
(reservior is a long word!) and see if it goes down again. And look where
the plunger goes into the tank and see if it's soggy around it, or if
brake fluid is puddling under it.

Now, the weird part. I had the master go on one car, and the slave go on
two. If the slave is gone, you can push the clutch ALL THE WAY to the
floor, and it will shift OK. Now great, but it will shift. I drove one car
like this for about 3 weeks before the slave cylinder finally gave
out...as I was turning into the driveway...of the Toyota dealer I worked
for...

If it is the slave, I'll try to cross the part numbers and see if it will
fit. Where are you?

 >> Stay informed about: Can't shift 
Back to top
Login to vote
Hachiroku_$B%O%A%m%/(B

External


Since: Nov 20, 2006
Posts: 2413



(Msg. 32) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:37 am
Post subject: Re: Can't shift Get Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:23:01 -0500, Pat wrote:

>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno.RemoveThis@ae86.GTS> wrote
>
> | I think you should tow it to my house! I will GLADLY take one of these
> | off your hands! I've been wanting one since '85. It's a 5 speed, is it
> | AWD, too?
>
> Yes, it has 4WD and is a 5-speed. Where's your house and how much do you
> wanna pay for it? I would let it go for the right price. It needs a new
> side door unless you can live with stabilized rust on the bottom part of
> it.

I missed this part...I'm in MAss. Since it's your only vehicle, I wouldn't
give you enough to afford another car. Of course, I could possibly part
with one of mine, perhaps...

>
> Thanks so much for your advice. If the slave will fit and is needed, and
> the shipping isn't too high, I'd sure buy it from you.

Unfortunately, Autozone shows all different parts for the two cars. There
are four for the Cleica and four for the van, and none of the parts cross...

 >> Stay informed about: Can't shift 
Back to top
Login to vote
Pat

External


Since: Jun 10, 2008
Posts: 23



(Msg. 33) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:37 am
Post subject: Re: Can't shift Get Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno.DeleteThis@ae86.GTS> wrote
| On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:23:01 -0500, Pat wrote:

| > Yes, it has 4WD and is a 5-speed. Where's your house and how much do you
| > wanna pay for it? I would let it go for the right price. It needs a new
| > side door unless you can live with stabilized rust on the bottom part of
| > it.
|
| I missed this part...I'm in MAss. Since it's your only vehicle, I wouldn't
| give you enough to afford another car. Of course, I could possibly part
| with one of mine, perhaps...

I'm halfway across the country (Missouri), but if you really want this van
we can talk about a trade. You would have to drive the trade vehicle here
and drive back in the van cuz I can't take the time nor afford the gas.
 >> Stay informed about: Can't shift 
Back to top
Login to vote
Pat

External


Since: Jun 10, 2008
Posts: 23



(Msg. 34) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:41 am
Post subject: Re: Can't shift Get Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote

| You got a lot of advice here, but I'll chime in.
|
| The problem is not with the clutch engaging, the problem is that the
clutch
| is not disengaging.
|
| I doubt if it is a broken clutch fork - those failure are very rare.
|
| The clutch master cylinder is the most likely suspect so follow the advice
| regarding checking fluid level and pumping the clutch pedal.
|
| If the clutch itself needs replacement, it is an easier job than on a FWD
| vehicle.

Thanks for chiming in! In the morning I'll see what I can find out and
report back.
 >> Stay informed about: Can't shift 
Back to top
Login to vote
Jeff Strickland

External


Since: Jan 11, 2007
Posts: 1629



(Msg. 35) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Can't shift Get Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Pat" <just_a_ghost.DeleteThis@in_this_house.com> wrote in message
news:uf6dnZ39J6QA29LVnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@centurytel.net...
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote
>
> | Some people arfe adept at machines, and this problem would not prevent
> them
> | from driving to the repair shop. You do not sound to be one of these
> people.
>
> I'm not much use as a mechanic but I'm an excellent driver.... Wink
>
> | Drive slowly and deliberately.... it takes practice and an
> | at-oneness-with-your-machine that you do not sound
> | as if you possess.
>
> I really am an excellent driver. That's gotta count for something!
>
>


Okay, but can you shift without using the clutch?
 >> Stay informed about: Can't shift 
Back to top
Login to vote
Pat

External


Since: Jun 10, 2008
Posts: 23



(Msg. 36) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Can't shift Get Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote

| "Pat" <just_a_ghost DeleteThis @in_this_house.com> wrote

| > I really am an excellent driver. That's gotta count for something!

| Okay, but can you shift without using the clutch?

Never tried before. Having someone show me would help but I might figure it
out on my own.

Haven't had time to find my bottle of brake fluid and check the MC reservoir
yet. Will do as soon as I can.
 >> Stay informed about: Can't shift 
Back to top
Login to vote
Pat

External


Since: Jun 10, 2008
Posts: 23



(Msg. 37) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:59 pm
Post subject: Re: Can't shift Get Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

We are having a rough time FINDING the mouth of the clutch master cylinder
reservoir. Can anyone help?
 >> Stay informed about: Can't shift 
Back to top
Login to vote
Pat

External


Since: Jun 10, 2008
Posts: 23



(Msg. 38) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:16 pm
Post subject: Re: Can't shift Get Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Pat" <just_a_ghost RemoveThis @in_this_house.com> wrote

| We are having a rough time FINDING the mouth of the clutch master cylinder
| reservoir. Can anyone help?

I'm on the phone with the dealer I bought it from and they have a mechanic
who's been there over 30 years and even he doesn't know.
 >> Stay informed about: Can't shift 
Back to top
Login to vote
$)CHachiroku_+O+A+m+/

External


Since: Jan 04, 2007
Posts: 15



(Msg. 39) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:33 pm
Post subject: Re: Can't shift Get Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:59:28 -0500, Pat wrote:

> We are having a rough time FINDING the mouth of the clutch master
> cylinder reservoir. Can anyone help?

Unfortunately, my experience with this particular vehile is extremely
limited...to driving a couple of them. I know where the engine is! But as
far as the opening for the reservoir...

I'll have a look at my resources and see if I can find it.
 >> Stay informed about: Can't shift 
Back to top
Login to vote
Hachiroku_+O+A+m+/

External


Since: Jan 05, 2007
Posts: 41



(Msg. 40) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:51 pm
Post subject: Re: Can't shift Get Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:59:28 -0500, Pat wrote:

> We are having a rough time FINDING the mouth of the clutch master
> cylinder reservoir. Can anyone help?

Here's the 1987 Factory Service Manual in .PDF format:

http://www.yotavans.org/community/tips/toyo_manual.html

What it looks like is there is a cover on the side of the dashboard that
is accessible when you open the driver's door. You remove this cover to
access the reservoir. I haven't actually seen one, so you'll have to tell
us what you find!

This is an interesting setup: the reservoir is all alone by itself; the
master cylinder actually looks like the slave cylinder used in other
Toyotas, but at the top of the cylinder there is a Banjo Bolt with a hose
going to the reservoir (you think I'd copy and paste that word...)

It looks like you can access the tank under the cover on the side of the
dash; to access the MC you have to remove large chunks of the dash!
Unfortunately, it doesn't actually show the tank itself, only the cover
on the side of the dash.

BTW, on the manual, you want the chapter labeled "Clutch".

Good luck! Let us know what you find!
 >> Stay informed about: Can't shift 
Back to top
Login to vote
Pat

External


Since: Jun 10, 2008
Posts: 23



(Msg. 41) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:51 pm
Post subject: Re: Can't shift Get Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno DeleteThis @ae86.GTS> wrote

| Here's the 1987 Factory Service Manual in .PDF format:
|
| http://www.yotavans.org/community/tips/toyo_manual.html

Thank you. Even the guy at the Toyota dealer couldn't find a manual.

| What it looks like is there is a cover on the side of the dashboard that
| is accessible when you open the driver's door. You remove this cover to
| access the reservoir. I haven't actually seen one, so you'll have to tell
| us what you find!

That cover is for the brake fluid.
Someone here earlier in this thread insisted there would be a separate place
to add fluid for the clutch. But I cannot find another such place. I have
searched every inch of the van inside and out, in the engine compartment and
under the dash. No such opening seems to exist.

| This is an interesting setup: the reservoir is all alone by itself; the
| master cylinder actually looks like the slave cylinder used in other
| Toyotas, but at the top of the cylinder there is a Banjo Bolt with a hose
| going to the reservoir (you think I'd copy and paste that word...)
|
| It looks like you can access the tank under the cover on the side of the
| dash; to access the MC you have to remove large chunks of the dash!
| Unfortunately, it doesn't actually show the tank itself, only the cover
| on the side of the dash.
|
| BTW, on the manual, you want the chapter labeled "Clutch".
|
| Good luck! Let us know what you find!

I looked at every diagram in this section:

http://www.yotavans.org/community/tips/manual/012_CLUTCH.PDF

I couldn't see anything like what I'm looking for. Maybe you have better
luck??
 >> Stay informed about: Can't shift 
Back to top
Login to vote
Hachiroku_$B%O%A%m%/(B

External


Since: Nov 20, 2006
Posts: 2413



(Msg. 42) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:19 pm
Post subject: Re: Can't shift Get Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:37:39 -0500, Pat wrote:

>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno.DeleteThis@ae86.GTS> wrote
>
> | Here's the 1987 Factory Service Manual in .PDF format:
> |
> | http://www.yotavans.org/community/tips/toyo_manual.html
>
> Thank you. Even the guy at the Toyota dealer couldn't find a manual.
>
> | What it looks like is there is a cover on the side of the dashboard that
> | is accessible when you open the driver's door. You remove this cover to
> | access the reservoir. I haven't actually seen one, so you'll have to
> | tell us what you find!
>
> That cover is for the brake fluid.
> Someone here earlier in this thread insisted there would be a separate
> place to add fluid for the clutch. But I cannot find another such place. I
> have searched every inch of the van inside and out, in the engine
> compartment and under the dash. No such opening seems to exist.
>
> | This is an interesting setup: the reservoir is all alone by itself; the
> | master cylinder actually looks like the slave cylinder used in other
> | Toyotas, but at the top of the cylinder there is a Banjo Bolt with a
> | hose going to the reservoir (you think I'd copy and paste that word...)
> |
> | It looks like you can access the tank under the cover on the side of the
> | dash; to access the MC you have to remove large chunks of the dash!
> | Unfortunately, it doesn't actually show the tank itself, only the cover
> | on the side of the dash.
> |
> | BTW, on the manual, you want the chapter labeled "Clutch".
> |
> | Good luck! Let us know what you find!
>
> I looked at every diagram in this section:
>
> http://www.yotavans.org/community/tips/manual/012_CLUTCH.PDF
>
> I couldn't see anything like what I'm looking for. Maybe you have better
> luck??


It looks to me like the brake and the clutch reservoir may very well be
the same thing. Both systems use the same fluid, so they may have combined
the reservoir.

Since this may be the case, it could very well be the entire system may
need to be flushed and refilled.

What I would do first is to take a *real* good look and see if maybe the
reservoir is split. It doesn't look so from the drawings, but there may be
two fillers under the same cap?

The next thing (hope you aren't going anywhere for a while...) would be to
disassemble the dash and verify what I think. It's not as hard as it
looks, and this section (The "REAL" owner's manual:

http://www.yotavans.org/community/tips/real_manual.html#dashboard

describes how to take the dash apart without guesswork. I would dig in and
find out exactly what's going on.

Also, if the fluid is black and brackish, it may serve you well to bleed
both the brakes and the clutch systems and get that old fluid out of
there. That may (if you're lucky) be the extent of your problem.

Here's some more:

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/out-of-production-cars-and-vans/...54-87-t

Wow....this is a stumper. Have another look and tell us what you see. I am
afraid you're going to have to remove the dash to get a definitive answer...
 >> Stay informed about: Can't shift 
Back to top
Login to vote
Pat

External


Since: Jun 10, 2008
Posts: 23



(Msg. 43) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:19 pm
Post subject: Re: Can't shift Get Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno.RemoveThis@ae86.GTS> wrote

| It looks to me like the brake and the clutch reservoir may very well be
| the same thing. Both systems use the same fluid, so they may have combined
| the reservoir.

I tend to agree but I know there are those here who will insist they are
separate.

| Since this may be the case, it could very well be the entire system may
| need to be flushed and refilled.
|
| What I would do first is to take a *real* good look and see if maybe the
| reservoir is split. It doesn't look so from the drawings, but there may be
| two fillers under the same cap?

No, just one. Unmistakeable. And before anyone pipes in "Are you sure?",
yes, I do know how to count to two.

| The next thing (hope you aren't going anywhere for a while...) would be to
| disassemble the dash and verify what I think. It's not as hard as it
| looks, and this section (The "REAL" owner's manual:
|
| http://www.yotavans.org/community/tips/real_manual.html#dashboard
|
| describes how to take the dash apart without guesswork. I would dig in and
| find out exactly what's going on.

I'll try this when the weather cools down in a few months. I start sweating
buckets after about five minutes outdoors when the temp is above 70.

| Also, if the fluid is black and brackish, it may serve you well to bleed
| both the brakes and the clutch systems and get that old fluid out of
| there. That may (if you're lucky) be the extent of your problem.

The fluid is perfectly clear. I topped it off and then was able to shift
easily, but the clutch is still too soft.

| Here's some more:
|
|
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/out-of-production-cars-and-vans/...54-87-t
|
| Wow....this is a stumper. Have another look and tell us what you see. I am
| afraid you're going to have to remove the dash to get a definitive
answer...

I'd rather just let the grass grow until it cools down. Meanwhile I'll drive
as little as possible.
 >> Stay informed about: Can't shift 
Back to top
Login to vote
Ray O

External


Since: Jun 02, 2006
Posts: 4593



(Msg. 44) Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:02 am
Post subject: Re: Can't shift Get Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Pat" <just_a_ghost DeleteThis @in_this_house.com> wrote in message
news:I5KdnXkri5Aloc3VnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@centurytel.net...
> We are having a rough time FINDING the mouth of the clutch master cylinder
> reservoir. Can anyone help?
>
I think you have to remove the instrument cluster cover to get at the clutch
MC reservoir.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
 >> Stay informed about: Can't shift 
Back to top
Login to vote
Hachiroku_$B%O%A%m%/(B

External


Since: Nov 20, 2006
Posts: 2413



(Msg. 45) Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:35 am
Post subject: Re: Can't shift Get Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:31:28 -0500, Pat wrote:

>
> | Also, if the fluid is black and brackish, it may serve you well to bleed
> | both the brakes and the clutch systems and get that old fluid out of
> | there. That may (if you're lucky) be the extent of your problem.
>
> The fluid is perfectly clear. I topped it off and then was able to shift
> easily, but the clutch is still too soft.


OK! This is actually pretty easy then. Bleed the clutch system according
to the service manual and keep an eye on the tank.
 >> Stay informed about: Can't shift 
Back to top
Login to vote
Display posts from previous:   
   AutoBoardz (Home) -> Toyota All times are: Pacific Time (US & Canada) (change)
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4
Page 3 of 4

 
You can post new topics in this forum
You can reply to topics in this forum
You can edit your posts in this forum
You can delete your posts in this forum
You can vote in polls in this forum



[ Contact us | Terms of Service/Privacy Policy ]