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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:55 pm
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:41 pm
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Signal wrote:
> 1.8 Golf Mk3 with 14" alloy wheels
> UK roads/weather.
>
> Currently using Pirelli P6000

Fulda H-series
Continental Touring Contact
Pirelli Scorpion
Goodrich Traction T/A

It has been my personal experience that Michelin tires are super except
when it rains. But take that with a grain of salt or three as it is
_only_ my opinion.

We are running Scorpions on the Volvo (AWD), Goodrich on the Saab, and
Continentals on the VWs (High load range). We have had (and liked)
Fulda in the past. US roads with rain, snow, sleet & salt, also hills
around here. The 98 Diesel Beetle we sold last year came with
Michelins. My wife would not drive it in the rain.... she took my car.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:16 pm
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Nate Nagel wrote:

> My experience is exactly the opposite. My '02 GTI came with
> Continentals and they sucked all the time. Replacing them with
> Michelins fixed the problem nicely.

Wouldn't doubt it for a moment. Those with Michelins either swear by
them or at them. I have never know anyone 'indifferent' to Michelins.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:44 pm
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pfjw RemoveThis @aol.com wrote:
> Signal wrote:
>
>>1.8 Golf Mk3 with 14" alloy wheels
>>UK roads/weather.
>>
>>Currently using Pirelli P6000
>
>
> Fulda H-series
> Continental Touring Contact
> Pirelli Scorpion
> Goodrich Traction T/A
>
> It has been my personal experience that Michelin tires are super except
> when it rains. But take that with a grain of salt or three as it is
> _only_ my opinion.
>
> We are running Scorpions on the Volvo (AWD), Goodrich on the Saab, and
> Continentals on the VWs (High load range). We have had (and liked)
> Fulda in the past. US roads with rain, snow, sleet & salt, also hills
> around here. The 98 Diesel Beetle we sold last year came with
> Michelins. My wife would not drive it in the rain.... she took my car.
>
> Peter Wieck
> Wyncote, PA
>

My experience is exactly the opposite. My '02 GTI came with
Continentals and they sucked all the time. Replacing them with
Michelins fixed the problem nicely.

nate

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:55 am
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wrote in message

>
> Signal wrote:
>> 1.8 Golf Mk3 with 14" alloy wheels
>> UK roads/weather.
>>
>> Currently using Pirelli P6000

Try something else, unless you are as happy as a pig in muck with
them.

> Fulda H-series

Not available in the UK (unless you have the name of the tread
patern).

> Continental Touring Contact

Not available in the UK.

> Pirelli Scorpion

Not available in the UK.

> Goodrich Traction T/A

Not available in the UK.

Not done very well, have we! He asked for tyres for UK roads and
weather conditions, and IME, whilst rain is the same wherever it
falls, some road surfaces, and many tyre types are very different
between the US and UK.

> It has been my personal experience that Michelin tires are
> super except
> when it rains. But take that with a grain of salt or three as
> it is
> _only_ my opinion.

IME, Michelin are one of the best performers in the rain, weather
it be Michelin Energy, Pilot, or Pilot Sport. Uniroyal are
supposed to be good in the wet too, but I havn't used them for a
long time.

Signal, tell us the type of roads you drive on, how you drive
your car, and also what you expect/want from a tyre!

Sean
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:27 am
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Note the interpolations:


LeakiestWink wrote:
>
> > Fulda H-series
>
> Not available in the UK (unless you have the name of the tread
> patern).

http://fulda.tiremanager.com/main.asp?action=rim_tyre&rim_tyre=summer&...=sbspro


> > Continental Touring Contact

http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/uk/en/continental/automobile...emes/4x


http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/uk/en/continental/automobile...emes/ca


> Not available in the UK.
>
> > Pirelli Scorpion
>
> Not available in the UK.

http://www.pirelli.co.uk/web/catalog/car-suv-van/catalogo_sd.page?cate...ia=/cat


> > Goodrich Traction T/A
>
> Not available in the UK.

http://www.bfgoodrich.co.uk/bfguk/front/affich.jsp?codeRubrique=3&code...e=BFG_P


> Not done very well, have we! He asked for tyres for UK roads and
> weather conditions, and IME, whilst rain is the same wherever it
> falls, some road surfaces, and many tyre types are very different
> between the US and UK.

Sean:

It is a matter of nomeclature. Most tire (tyre) makers that distribute
internationally have to meet many different "local codes" for lack of a
better term. Here in the US, they have to meet DOT specifications, FTC
specifications and also include treadwear, traction, temperature range
and speed-range on each tire, which must also include an individual
serial number. I am sure that specifications in the UK and the rest of
the world are similar in the main, but differ in detail. Point being
that I put the US name and then the brand and UK into the search
engine, each one linked as you see above.

As to Michelin, for whatever reason the OEM tires on my wife's VW were
wretched in the rain (driving rain, not just sprinkles), but excellent
at all other times, including those times after a long dry spell when a
few drops turn the road surface into an emulsion of oil, mud, dust and
dirt... very slippery. When I had my M-Class Mercedes SUV, it also came
with Michelins, same phenomenon. Now I would expect that the UK has
more rain than the mid-Atlantic US, narrower roads, some of them
hard-pan but somewhat higher speeds on those narrower roads. So, that
is why I advised away based on MY experience from Michelin tires.

We drive a combination of local suburban roads and highways, and
upstate PA mixed and hardpan roads, and our summer house is accessible
only by AWD/4X4 for three months out of the year, and it is a muddy
trip hoping for +/- 8-inch ground clearance for three more months. My
work takes me out in all weather all year round, so we are generally
more sensitive to tires than the typical
can-take-a-day-off-when-it-rains-snows-and-sleets driver.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:32 am
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> Note the interpolations:
>
>
> LeakiestWink wrote:
>>
>> > Fulda H-series
>>
>> Not available in the UK (unless you have the name of the tread
>> patern).
>
> http://fulda.tiremanager.com/main.asp?action=rim_tyre&rim_tyre=summer&...=sbspro

Erm... that's a US site (with data back to German market vehicles
exclusively) - the i in tire gives it away. Anyhow, it still
don't list a type of tyre, only tyre sizes.

>> > Continental Touring Contact
>>
>> Not available in the UK.
>
> http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/uk/en/continental/automobile...emes/4x

That's for and I quote "medium-weight to heavy 4x4 vehicles". I
don't recall a Mk3 Golf being described anything like that!!!!

> http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/uk/en/continental/automobile...emes/ca

OK, that is a tyre available in the UK market, and a fairly good
one too. That would be one of my reccomendations (but only if
certain driving styles were listed). I would also suggest the
ContiPremiumContact

>> > Pirelli Scorpion
>>
>> Not available in the UK.
>
> http://www.pirelli.co.uk/web/catalog/car-suv-van/catalogo_sd.page?cate...ia=/cat

That's a winter only tyre for "fast luxury SUVs". We don't use
winter tyres in the UK, we use all season tyres, and a Golf ain't
no SUV!!!

>> > Goodrich Traction T/A
>>
>> Not available in the UK.
>
> http://www.bfgoodrich.co.uk/bfguk/front/affich.jsp?codeRubrique=3&code...e=BFG_P

That still don't list the Traction T/A.

>> Not done very well, have we! He asked for tyres for UK roads
>> and
>> weather conditions, and IME, whilst rain is the same wherever
>> it
>> falls, some road surfaces, and many tyre types are very
>> different
>> between the US and UK.
>
> Sean:
>
> It is a matter of nomeclature. Most tire (tyre) makers that
> distribute
> internationally have to meet many different "local codes" for
> lack of a
> better term. Here in the US, they have to meet DOT
> specifications, FTC
> specifications and also include treadwear, traction,
> temperature range
> and speed-range on each tire, which must also include an
> individual
> serial number. I am sure that specifications in the UK and the
> rest of
> the world are similar in the main, but differ in detail. Point
> being
> that I put the US name and then the brand and UK into the
> search
> engine, each one linked as you see above.

Yes, I agree, to a point. All tyres in the UK have the DOT
specs, as well as traction, treadwear & temperature, along with
full size and load/speed indexes <sp?>, as well as manufacturing
batch codes. The DOT specs, along with traction, treadwear and
temperature are usually ignored and irrelevant in the UK, the
official tyre importers pre-determine temperature specs, so we
don't get a choice anyway. However, they must have, by law, "E"
codes for European Type Approval. In the UK, along with the
European Union, we have very different specifications and legal
requirements, to those in the US and Canada. As you say above,
"differ in detail", and, as the saying goes, the devil is in the
detail.

> As to Michelin, for whatever reason the OEM tires on my wife's
> VW were
> wretched in the rain (driving rain, not just sprinkles), but
> excellent
> at all other times, including those times after a long dry
> spell when a
> few drops turn the road surface into an emulsion of oil, mud,
> dust and
> dirt... very slippery. When I had my M-Class Mercedes SUV, it
> also came
> with Michelins, same phenomenon. Now I would expect that the UK
> has
> more rain than the mid-Atlantic US, narrower roads, some of
> them
> hard-pan but somewhat higher speeds on those narrower roads.
> So, that
> is why I advised away based on MY experience from Michelin
> tires.

You honestly surprise me about poor Michelin rain performance.
Leaving SUVs aside, generally, the entire range of Michelin
passenger car range tyres have allways been reknown for their wet
weather performance as ranging from the good to excellent. Your
experience may be down to a very different road surface, or maybe
some kind of placebo effect from previous bad experiences of
Michelins??? Maybe you got a dodgy batch, that slipped through
some hole in the quality control net - it does happen.

> We drive a combination of local suburban roads and highways,
> and
> upstate PA mixed and hardpan roads, and our summer house is
> accessible
> only by AWD/4X4 for three months out of the year, and it is a
> muddy
> trip hoping for +/- 8-inch ground clearance for three more
> months. My
> work takes me out in all weather all year round, so we are
> generally
> more sensitive to tires than the typical


> can-take-a-day-off-when-it-rains-snows-and-sleets driver.

Oh - tell me about it. For the vast majority (in England), the
first dusting of snow or ice, and they become utterly incompetant
and dangerous at the wheel. I really wish they would take a day
off! That is on area where, it seems, over the pond in the US
and Canada, you are much better drivers than us Surprised

> Peter Wieck
> Wyncote, PA

Regards
Sean, rural lil 'ol England
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