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Dave Kelsen1

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:58 pm
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On 7/14/2007 9:54 AM E Meyer spake these words of knowledge:

> On 7/13/07 10:05 PM, in article pan.2007.07.14.03.05.09.605016.DeleteThis@lan.invalid,
> "Dan C" <youmustbejoking.DeleteThis@lan.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:26:10 +0000, E Meyer wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I know, that is a American-mfr-only feature. Never encountered it
>>> on any Japanese cars. Personally, I find it irritating and useless. I
>>> would spend some time researching how to disable it if it showed up on any
>>> of my cars.
>>
>> Thanks for your opinion. I find it a useful feature, whether you do or
>> not.
>
> I'm curious - what do you find useful about it?
>
> As near as I can tell, all it does is force the emergency response team to
> have to break into the car to get you out after the crash.

Having your door locked can help to ensure that your door does not open
when you did not intend it to.

This can be very useful in the event of a crash.

It can also be useful in a situation where others may open your door
when you did not intend to have it opened, such as when you are in heavy
traffic in NYC.

As a result of these simple facts, I lock my door every time I get in
it, with the same automatic repetitiveness as buckling my seatbelt. If
it were automatically done, it would save me having to do it. I fail to
see why or how it can be a problem, or why it should even be a question.


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maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of
ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always
avail themselves for their own purposes." –- Thomas Jefferson

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:58 pm
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"Dave Kelsen" <invalid.RemoveThis@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> Having your door locked can help to ensure that your door does not open
> when you did not intend it to.
>
> This can be very useful in the event of a crash.
>

That advice is a generation or two out of date. Before the '60s there were
no significant standards for either door latches or door locks and door
locks could possibly improve door integrity in an accident. Since the
implementation of US NHTSA standards c. 1963 door locks were not relevant to
latch integrity. If you look at a lock in any car since the late 60s you
will see it only affects how the release levers actuate the latch and does
not affect the holding mechanism. In the NHTSA's study of Rollover
Mitigation http://tinyurl.com/2q9xc9 the report acknowledges the role of
door latches but not door locks in preventing partial ejection.

> It can also be useful in a situation where others may open your door when
> you did not intend to have it opened, such as when you are in heavy
> traffic in NYC.
>

That is useful. You should always lock your doors when people present more
of a threat than traffic and terrain do. Otherwise, my take is that we are
somewhat safer with the doors unlocked. As a first-aider, I dread the
thought of coming across a car fire with entrapment and finding the doors
locked or jammed. I can deal with other problems better if I don't lose time
trying to establish an exit route. And it is important to remember that
central locking and unlocking depends on electricity. If anything has
happened in the accident to kill power (like the battery was destroyed on
impact) rear doors are going to stay closed until somebody can get to the
locks manually... and much longer than that if child locks are active.

> As a result of these simple facts, I lock my door every time I get in it,
> with the same automatic repetitiveness as buckling my seatbelt. If it
> were automatically done, it would save me having to do it. I fail to see
> why or how it can be a problem, or why it should even be a question.
>

You are entitled to your opinion. I'm just glad none of my cars have the
"feature." Doing it manually when you feel it is valuable makes sense,
having the car do it stupidly does not.

Mike

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Dan C

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:07 pm
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:54:34 +0000, E Meyer wrote:

>> Thanks for your opinion. I find it a useful feature, whether you do or
>> not.

> I'm curious - what do you find useful about it?

As some others have already explained some of the reasons, I'll just add
one more. I said in my original post that it was my daughter's car, she's
a college student, and it makes me feel safer knowing her doors are
locked, even if she doesn't always think to lock them (manually).

> As near as I can tell, all it does is force the emergency response team
> to have to break into the car to get you out after the crash.

I suppose that could happen, but thinking like that, you had better not
even go out the front door of the house. You might get hit by a bus.

As for breaking into the car, it's not very difficult to break a window,
especially for well-equipped emergency personnel.


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(Msg. 34) Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:07 pm
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"Dan C" <youmustbejoking.RemoveThis@lan.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> As for breaking into the car, it's not very difficult to break a window,
> especially for well-equipped emergency personnel.
>

I am one of those pathetically prepared people who are always mindful of
such things. I am aware that I rarely carry anything that can break a car
window, although if I have no alternative I have a small pocketknife that
would have an outside chance if I hit hard enough near an edge. Tempered
glass is amazingly tough.

It is really only an issue in fires and potential fires, since the other
crisis - submersion - requires a window to be opened before a door can be
opened anyway. For other accidents it is almost always better to leave
everybody where they are and protect the scene until the pros get there.
Moving accident victims gives me the shivers.

Mike
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:09 pm
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:18:08 -0500, wrote:

> I love it... an owner with an attitude !! Dare anyone say something
> he doesn't like.

Whatever. It's notable that you snipped the entire post, and don't bother
actually addressing anything. Was there something inaccurate or wrong
about my points?

Didn't think so.

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(Msg. 36) Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:24 pm
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:11:49 +0000, Brian Smith wrote:

>> It's not there. If you're gonna make smart-ass replies, be sure you're
>> right first, so you don't look like a fool in public.

> You're doing a fine job of coming off as a class "A" fool, yourself.

Why do you think that? Seriously.

Do you think his smart-ass answer to me was entirely OK?


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(Msg. 37) Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:55 pm
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"Dan C" <youmustbejoking DeleteThis @lan.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:26:10 +0000, E Meyer wrote:
>
>> As far as I know, that is a American-mfr-only feature. Never encountered
>> it
>> on any Japanese cars. Personally, I find it irritating and useless. I
>> would spend some time researching how to disable it if it showed up on
>> any
>> of my cars.
>
> Thanks for your opinion. I find it a useful feature, whether you do or
> not.
>
> --
> "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".
>
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I test drove a Honda CRV 7-14-07 and it had that feature.
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Elliot Richmond

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(Msg. 38) Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:56 pm
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:27:36 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull.DeleteThis@cybertrails.com> wrote:

>"Dan C" <youmustbejoking.DeleteThis@lan.invalid> wrote in message
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>>
>> As for breaking into the car, it's not very difficult to break a window,
>> especially for well-equipped emergency personnel.
>>
>
>I am one of those pathetically prepared people who are always mindful of
>such things.

On a recent Mythbusters episode, the crew thoroughly tested several
myths about submerged cars, windows, etc. Among other things they
found was that a power window unit continued to work for 45 minutes
after the door was submerged. That surprised me. One other
interesting thing they found was that those emergency hammer gadgets
you sometimes see advertised on cable that are supposed to break
windows actually work exactly as advertised. The hammer head is a
sharpened cone. Even under water, bashing the side window with one of
the things caused the window to disintegrate into little cubes of
glass.

http://www.lifehammer.com/


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(Msg. 39) Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:56 pm
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"Elliot Richmond" <xmrichmond DeleteThis @xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:27:36 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
> <michaeltnull DeleteThis @cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>>I am one of those pathetically prepared people who are always mindful of
>>such things.
>
> On a recent Mythbusters episode, the crew thoroughly tested several
> myths about submerged cars, windows, etc. Among other things they
> found was that a power window unit continued to work for 45 minutes
> after the door was submerged. That surprised me. One other
> interesting thing they found was that those emergency hammer gadgets
> you sometimes see advertised on cable that are supposed to break
> windows actually work exactly as advertised. The hammer head is a
> sharpened cone. Even under water, bashing the side window with one of
> the things caused the window to disintegrate into little cubes of
> glass.
>
> http://www.lifehammer.com/
>
>
> Elliot Richmond
> Itinerant astronomy teacher
>

Those devices have actually been a normal tool for at least as long as I
have been working - back in the '70s when I had to do simple metalwork an
automatic center punch http://tinyurl.com/2ptt5x was indispensible. I don't
have one any more, though - I don't like metalwork!

As long as the battery isn't damaged the power windows (and locks, if the
controller hasn't wigged out) should continue to work for some time when
submerged. Even ocean water isn't a great conductor compared to the
admittance of a window motor.

Mike
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:55 pm
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:35:20 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote:

>>I got the same reply when I asked about 2007 Accord Navi beeping every 12
>>seconds."Did you read the manual that came with your toy"?
>> Of course I did.That is the reason I am asking this newsgroup.Maybe I
>> missed something and am looking for additional info.
>
> It was an honest question; a lot of people don't check the manual.


When i was working Tech Support, the group leader suggested the first
question I asked was, "Is it plugged in?". I said, "C'mon!" She said,
you'd be surprised.

Imagine my surprise when the first call I got where the unit was
completely inoperable. No lights, no little start-up dance when the button
was pushed, etc. My gut reaction was, "Did you check the fuse", but I gave
it a millisecond and said, "Is the unit plugged it?"

"Uh...thanks for your time! <CLICK>"
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:55 pm
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno.DeleteThis@AE86.gts> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:35:20 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote:
>
>>>I got the same reply when I asked about 2007 Accord Navi beeping every 12
>>>seconds."Did you read the manual that came with your toy"?
>>> Of course I did.That is the reason I am asking this newsgroup.Maybe I
>>> missed something and am looking for additional info.
>>
>> It was an honest question; a lot of people don't check the manual.
>
>
> When i was working Tech Support, the group leader suggested the first
> question I asked was, "Is it plugged in?". I said, "C'mon!" She said,
> you'd be surprised.
>
> Imagine my surprise when the first call I got where the unit was
> completely inoperable. No lights, no little start-up dance when the button
> was pushed, etc. My gut reaction was, "Did you check the fuse", but I gave
> it a millisecond and said, "Is the unit plugged it?"
>
> "Uh...thanks for your time! <CLICK>"
>
>
True confession time! I work in IS field services for a large company, and
one day my desktop wouldn't power up. Huh. I checked the power strip to
ensure the socket was live and followed procedure, calling the support desk
so a ticket would be assigned to me so I could get a power supply... you get
the idea. The first question the support tech asked was if the computer was
plugged in, and I dutifully answered yes. Then he asked if the socket had
power and I said yes. Then he asked if the power switch on the back was in
the "on" position and it dawned on me I had left it off after fiddling with
something the previous day. I swear I could feel the jackass ears growing
just like in the Bugs Bunny cartoons.

Mike
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:36 am
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Honda did not see fit to offer that feature on the '07 Accord. The '08 will
have it.

Dan C wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> First day as a new Honda owner. Got a (new) 2007 Accord EX for my
> daughter yesterday, and we are quite happy with it. Just a really well
> built car.
>
> One feature I'm surprised to not see is the "auto-door-lock" function.
> This is where all the doors lock as the vehicle reaches a certain speed
> (15-20 mph) after the doors have been opened. I'm used to it on all my
> Dodge vehicles, and didn't even think to ask about it on this one. Am I
> missing something, or is this feature really not here?
>
> Anyway, I also got the 8 year, 100K mile, 0 deductible warranty on it, so
> am looking forward to many years of trouble-free operation. Glad to be a
> Honda owner!
>
> --
> "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

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(Msg. 43) Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:55 am
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:37:10 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote:

>> Imagine my surprise when the first call I got where the unit was
>> completely inoperable. No lights, no little start-up dance when the
>> button was pushed, etc. My gut reaction was, "Did you check the fuse",
>> but I gave it a millisecond and said, "Is the unit plugged it?"
>>
>> "Uh...thanks for your time! <CLICK>"
>>
>>
> True confession time! I work in IS field services for a large company, and
> one day my desktop wouldn't power up. Huh. I checked the power strip to
> ensure the socket was live and followed procedure, calling the support
> desk so a ticket would be assigned to me so I could get a power supply...
> you get the idea. The first question the support tech asked was if the
> computer was plugged in, and I dutifully answered yes. Then he asked if
> the socket had power and I said yes. Then he asked if the power switch on
> the back was in the "on" position and it dawned on me I had left it off
> after fiddling with something the previous day. I swear I could feel the
> jackass ears growing just like in the Bugs Bunny cartoons.
>
> Mike


OK, my own 'True Confession'...

I was working for a small computer co with a lot of professional
customers. The owner of the company gratiously sold us part and
accessories at 5% over cost.

When the first low-cost 500MB drives hit the market, I bought one. Got it
home, formatted it and was ready for file transfer, but kept getting the
old DOS error that no drive was available. Huh? I formatted it with System
files, it should boot no problem.

Checked the jumpers, checked the cables, checked the IDE card, etc, etc.
Nothing. Called Western Digital Tech Support and described everything I
did.

The very pleasant and helpful sounding woman on the other end then asked,
"Did you set the drive as the Active drive?"

Um...Thank You Very Much!!! <CLICK>
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:55 pm
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ACAR <getoutanpush RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in news:1184429175.989260.149360
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> On Jul 13, 11:01 pm, Dan C <youmustbejok... RemoveThis @lan.invalid> wrote:

>
> Don't let these guys fool you, auto locks are found on European cars,
> too. I watched my mechanic break into a Porsche Cayanne the other day
> because of the auto locks timed out and locked the keys in the car.
>
>

Ah yes, I read somewhere about that problem with the VW Tuareg (which is
identical to the Cayanne). Apparently, if your battery runs down, there
is no way to open the doors from the outside. You cannot pop the hood to
charge the battery either. You have to tow the car to the dealer to get
the doors unlocked.

In some BMWs, you cannot open the doors from the inside if they had been
locked with the remote. It is a feature to make it harder to steal, but a
real problem if you accidentally lock a child in a hot car.

Honda is not quite there yet. The Fit Sport, for example, has only one
keyhole (on the driver's door). If that lock jams and the remote fails,
you're out of luck.
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:26 pm
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:57:33 -0400, "MAT"
<marcoat*RM_@SPAM_*hotmail.com> wrote:

>Seems like a good idea to me, it was in the news some weeks back that a lady
>and her kids drowned in their mini van after it rolled into a pond. Is it
>true that the tip of a spark plug (electrode broken off I reckon) will do
>the same thing? I've got enough old plugs, maybe I'll tie one to a piece of
>wood?
>
Probably but the hammer gadget is cheap, widely available, and also
has a blade for cutting a stuck seat belt (in an emergency), so why
not just get one of them.

Ace Hardware has 'em.


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