All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!

Chuck Connell wrote:
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> - Should I demand a new car from the dealer, since I drove it for some days
> this way? (Probably about 20-30 miles per day.)
> TIA,
> Chuck Connell
> http://www.chc-3.com -- My home page

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Hmmmm Your owner's manual says you should _shut it down_ if you ever see
the oil light come on. You said you drove it 'a couple more miles'. I
don't think you're in a position to demand anything.

Hopefully it will be OK.

'Curly'
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Just got off the phone with the service rep at the dealer (Herb Chambers in
Burlington MA). The crank seal was blown. The oil was pumping onto the
ground as the engine ran. He said "it looks like everything is OK inside
the engine". I said there is no way to know that without putting the
crankshaft and cylinder walls under a microscope. He more or less agreed.

I said that I want a new car, and he agreed to escalate this to his
manager.

Chuck
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When I say "drove it for some days this way", I meant that I drove it for
some days without knowing there was an oil problem. As soon as I actually
saw the oil light flicker, I continued home (about 2 miles) and immediately
added a quart of oil before doing my next errand. The oil light went out.

Chuck

>
> ======================================================
>
> Hmmmm Your owner's manual says you should _shut it down_ if you ever see
> the oil light come on. You said you drove it 'a couple more miles'. I
> don't think you're in a position to demand anything.
>
> Hopefully it will be OK.
>
> 'Curly'
>
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On 2006-12-12, Chuck Connell <connell.TakeThisOut@chc-3.com> wrote:
> When I say "drove it for some days this way", I meant that I drove it for
> some days without knowing there was an oil problem. As soon as I actually
> saw the oil light flicker, I continued home (about 2 miles) and immediately
> added a quart of oil before doing my next errand. The oil light went out.

It should be ok. I did something similar (oil light on, few qts low)
with my 4th gen hatchback Si at about 125K miles. It's now at 240K
miles and still runs great. Besides, not a whole lot you can do about
it now. :\

nb
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The previous generation of the CR-V had problems with the oil filter gaskets
stacking up and then blowing out, resulting in loss of oil & fires, but it
happened after the first oil change. At 900 miles, I assume you have not
changed the oil yet, so the likely culprits are loose drain plug, loose oil
filter, or road damage to something under it.

If at any point it actually ran dry, there is going to be engine damage.
On a 1 month old car, unless you ran over something and put a gash in the
oil pan, I would certainly try to make them replace it unless they can prove
to you that no damage has been done.

On 12/12/06 8:29 AM, in article
nqSdnZV3zoPqIOPYnZ2dnUVZ_oannZ2d.DeleteThis@conversent.net, "Chuck Connell"
<connell.DeleteThis@chc-3.com> wrote:

> I have a one-month old 07 CRV with about 900 miles. Last night I noticed
> the oil light blinking randomly. I checked the oil level as soon as I got
> home, just a couple miles later. It was down, so I added a quart. I did
> another short errand (5 miles), then checked the oil again. Still low, so I
> added another quart and parked it for the night. This morning I checked the
> stick and it showed nothing. So I added two more quarts, bringing the level
> up to full (2nd hole in the stick). I drove the car directly to the dealer
> this morning (about 5 miles) with no oil light coming on.
>
> I now realize that the oil has been running out for a week or more. There
> are oil spots where I park my car at work, and two large spots in my
> driveway. The oil level was down 4 quarts!
>
> Some questions...
>
> - Has anyone else had this problem?
>
> - What is the total oil capacity of this vehicle? I suspect it is just over
> 4q, so my oil was VERY low.
>
> - Should I demand a new car from the dealer, since I drove it for some days
> this way? (Probably about 20-30 miles per day.)
>
> - Any other thoughts/insights?
>
> TIA,
> Chuck Connell
> http://www.chc-3.com -- My home page
>
>
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"Chuck Connell" <connell DeleteThis @chc-3.com> wrote in message
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> I have a one-month old 07 CRV with about 900 miles. Last night I noticed
> the oil light blinking randomly. I checked the oil level as soon as I got
> home, just a couple miles later. It was down, so I added a quart. I did
> another short errand (5 miles), then checked the oil again. Still low, so
I
> added another quart and parked it for the night. This morning I checked
the
> stick and it showed nothing. So I added two more quarts, bringing the
level
> up to full (2nd hole in the stick). I drove the car directly to the
dealer
> this morning (about 5 miles) with no oil light coming on.
>
> I now realize that the oil has been running out for a week or more. There
> are oil spots where I park my car at work, and two large spots in my
> driveway. The oil level was down 4 quarts!
>
> Some questions...
>
> - Has anyone else had this problem?
>
> - What is the total oil capacity of this vehicle? I suspect it is just
over
> 4q, so my oil was VERY low.
>
> - Should I demand a new car from the dealer, since I drove it for some
days
> this way? (Probably about 20-30 miles per day.)
>
> - Any other thoughts/insights?
>
> TIA,
> Chuck Connell
> http://www.chc-3.com -- My home page
>
If you can't fine evidence of an external leak--drain plug, filter etc, then
a contact with Honda is mandatory. If they have any fear that there is an
engine related problem they will go all out to find out what it is and will
rectify your problem with minimal cost to you. As a absolute minimum you
should have some diagnostic checks to determine if the engine has suffered
some damage. The car is new--you don't an oil burner for the rest of it's
life.
MLD
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"Chuck Connell" <connell.DeleteThis@chc-3.com> wrote in message
news:H9ydnQs6EZfOfOPYnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@conversent.net...
> Just got off the phone with the service rep at the dealer (Herb Chambers
in
> Burlington MA). The crank seal was blown. The oil was pumping onto the
> ground as the engine ran. He said "it looks like everything is OK inside
> the engine". I said there is no way to know that without putting the
> crankshaft and cylinder walls under a microscope. He more or less agreed.
>
> I said that I want a new car, and he agreed to escalate this to his
> manager.
>
> Chuck
>
Glad that the source of the problem has been identified---don't let them
blow you off. Peruse with Honda for a new car. If that doesn't work be a
nice guy and settle for a new engine. No luck, go for an engine teardown
and have the rings, valve seals and whatever inspected/replaced. They put 4
qts of oil in the car because that's what it needs--you ran with a lot
less--hard to imagine you got away damage free and you don't want it to
haunt you for the life of the car. I am in the same area and might buy from
that dealer so would you post how this all ends?
MLD
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Chuck
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"notbob" <notbob RemoveThis @nothome.com> wrote in message
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> On 2006-12-12, Chuck Connell <connell RemoveThis @chc-3.com> wrote:
> > When I say "drove it for some days this way", I meant that I drove it
for
> > some days without knowing there was an oil problem. As soon as I
actually
> > saw the oil light flicker, I continued home (about 2 miles) and
immediately
> > added a quart of oil before doing my next errand. The oil light went
out.
>
> It should be ok. I did something similar (oil light on, few qts low)
> with my 4th gen hatchback Si at about 125K miles. It's now at 240K
> miles and still runs great. Besides, not a whole lot you can do about
> it now. :\
Great comment! From where you sit you can tell that his engine is OK. He had
a major defect, why should he take any chances as to the effect it had on
his engine. You would be surprised as to what Honda will do to protect the
reputatioin of their engines.
MLD
MLD
> nb
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"MLD" <MLD.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote:

>>
>>"Chuck Connell" <connell.DeleteThis@chc-3.com> wrote in message
>>news:H9ydnQs6EZfOfOPYnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@conversent.net...
>>> Just got off the phone with the service rep at the dealer (Herb Chambers
>>in
>>> Burlington MA). The crank seal was blown. The oil was pumping onto the
>>> ground as the engine ran. He said "it looks like everything is OK inside
>>> the engine". I said there is no way to know that without putting the
>>> crankshaft and cylinder walls under a microscope. He more or less agreed.
>>>
>>> I said that I want a new car, and he agreed to escalate this to his
>>> manager.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>Glad that the source of the problem has been identified---don't let them
>>blow you off. Peruse with Honda for a new car. If that doesn't work be a
>>nice guy and settle for a new engine. No luck, go for an engine teardown
>>and have the rings, valve seals and whatever inspected/replaced. They put 4
>>qts of oil in the car because that's what it needs--you ran with a lot
>>less--hard to imagine you got away damage free and you don't want it to
>>haunt you for the life of the car. I am in the same area and might buy from
>>that dealer so would you post how this all ends?
>>MLD
>>

Yeah, what he said. And if you don't get satisfaction on at least a new
engine, contact your local Attorney General's consumer protection office. I
don't know how things are out there, but here in Kansas they're pretty
proactive at pursuing such things.
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I have not yet heard back from the dealer, about their intended resolution.
I am now driving a rental, which they are paying for. If the dealer offers
to install a new engine, I am wondering if I should accept it... It seems
pretty complicated to me to replace the whole engine, with all of its many
interconnections, and do it as well as the engine in a new car.

Thoughts on whether I could trust a dealer to do this right?

Chuck
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"Chuck Connell" <connell RemoveThis @chc-3.com> wrote in message
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>I have not yet heard back from the dealer, about their intended resolution.
>I am now driving a rental, which they are paying for. If the dealer offers
>to install a new engine, I am wondering if I should accept it... It seems
>pretty complicated to me to replace the whole engine, with all of its many
>interconnections, and do it as well as the engine in a new car.
>
> Thoughts on whether I could trust a dealer to do this right?
>
> Chuck

Chuck,
I wonder why you think you are entitled to a new engine let alone a new car?
I believe that you should make your decision based on what the dealer finds
with your present car. If it was a manufacturing defect or a construction
mistake, then I would agree that you should be entitled to a new engine. If
it turns out that your problem resulted from damage caused by a road hazard,
such as a hole in the oil pan or something striking the filter and
dislodging it then the situation is completely different. To illustrate; if
you bought a new battery for your car, and during installation you dropped
the battery and knocked a hole in it, would you expect a replacement under
warranty? I don't think so. Furthermore, you exacerbated the situation by
continuing to drive the vehicle after the idiot light illuminated. If they
really wish to do so, Honda can argue that you are responsible, at least in
part, for damage to the engine. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that I
agree with that position, rather I am simply pointing out to you what may
come down the pike. I would prepare myself for all contingencies and have
arguments to counter them. As far as accepting a new engine, definitely! A
new engine, installed by the dealership, should carry the same warranty as
the original engine. In any case, good luck and I hope this all works out
for the best for you.

DaveD
>
>
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"Chuck Connell" <connell DeleteThis @chc-3.com> wrote in message
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> I have not yet heard back from the dealer, about their intended
resolution.
> I am now driving a rental, which they are paying for. If the dealer offers
> to install a new engine, I am wondering if I should accept it... It seems
> pretty complicated to me to replace the whole engine, with all of its many
> interconnections, and do it as well as the engine in a new car.
>
> Thoughts on whether I could trust a dealer to do this right?
>
> Chuck
>
Go after a new car; right now your Dealer should be your advocate since any
major decision will come from Honda (since it was their new car that
experienced a mechanical failure). The Dealer will get paid to do whatever
Honda recommends so I don't think that he would be worried about his costs .
If Honda will not replace the car ( fall over in surprise if they do) then
I think that you will be doing well if you're offered a new engine. That
should be the minimum offer, I just wouldn't want the one that's in there
now. Inspection and replacement of some components may not get all the
potential areas of trouble. I'd be concerned too about all the teardown and
reassembly involved in a replacement but it's doable and much of the same
teardown occurs if they were just inspecting/replacing the innards of the
engine. Keep us updated as this is will be a good insight as to how that
Dealer and Honda will respond.
MLD
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