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Since: Mar 07, 2005 Posts: 82
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:39 am
Post subject: No love for the Tundra Archived from groups: alt>autos>toyota (more info?)
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Since: Mar 07, 2005 Posts: 82
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:05 pm
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On Apr 5, 12:51 pm, "mack" <macke....DeleteThis@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> That might be helpful indeed. I realize that this is 'the land of the
> free', meaning that people make their own decisions on which vehicle to buy,
> but I constantly see
> drivers in large minivans, trucks etc who drive alone and seem to tote only
> a couple of grocery bags, if that much. Yet they choose to drive a Suburban
> or Expedition (V-10).
There have never been Expeditions with V-10s. There were Excursion
V-10s, but Ford stopped selling those. On the other hand Ford keeps
getting trashed in the enthusiast press becasue they don't sell an
F150 with more than 300 horsepower... Seems you can't win.
> Among the more ludicrous are the LOLs (Little Old Ladies) who evidently
> favor Buick Park Avenues, Cadillac Devilles and Chrysler 300s, and who are
> so tiny that their field of vision is between the top of the steering wheel
> and the instrument panel, and unless their car automatically pulls the
> emergency brake off when they put it in gear, usually drive with the brake
> on.
Little old ladies in Park Avenues are not a major contributor to
global warming. Little old ladies do not drive very much and the
current large Buick gets pretty good mileage - EPA says 20 City/30
Highway, close to the same as a V-6 Camry.
If increasing the US average fuel economy is a goal, reducing the
number of the number of large trucks and SUVs used as commuter
vehicles should be a top priority.
I am in favor of increasing the tax on fuel as a means of encouraging
the shift to more fuel efficient vehicels. If the government wants to
make this revenue neutral, then the income tax can be reduced on the
lower brackets, or the extra revenue can be used to "fix" social
security.
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Since: May 15, 2006 Posts: 1209
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:44 pm
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Since: Sep 16, 2005 Posts: 1536
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:44 pm
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How in the world would you, or anybody else for that matter, know whether a
person that buys a truck "needs' it or not? LOL
mike
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Ed White" <ce.white3.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/toyota/archives/2007/04/no_love_..._the_1.
>> or http://tinyurl.com/2b94ga
>>
>> Sort of a silly complaint. At least in this respect, the Tundra is no
>> worse than other 1/2 on Trucks.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>
> Why don't those putzes aim their attention at consumers who buy trucks,
> but don't need them?
> >> Stay informed about: No love for the Tundra |
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Since: Jul 04, 2004 Posts: 629
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:44 pm
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"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Ed White" <ce.white3.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1175783989.550396.14440@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/toyota/archives/2007/04/no_love_..._the_1.
>> or http://tinyurl.com/2b94ga
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>> Sort of a silly complaint. At least in this respect, the Tundra is no
>> worse than other 1/2 on Trucks.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>
> Why don't those putzes aim their attention at consumers who buy trucks,
> but don't need them?
>
That might be helpful indeed. I realize that this is 'the land of the
free', meaning that people make their own decisions on which vehicle to buy,
but I constantly see
drivers in large minivans, trucks etc who drive alone and seem to tote only
a couple of grocery bags, if that much. Yet they choose to drive a Suburban
or Expedition (V-10).
Among the more ludicrous are the LOLs (Little Old Ladies) who evidently
favor Buick Park Avenues, Cadillac Devilles and Chrysler 300s, and who are
so tiny that their field of vision is between the top of the steering wheel
and the instrument panel, and unless their car automatically pulls the
emergency brake off when they put it in gear, usually drive with the brake
on. >> Stay informed about: No love for the Tundra |
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Since: May 15, 2006 Posts: 1209
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:18 pm
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2.TakeThisOut@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:cX7Rh.6240$ya1.4334@news02.roc.ny...
>> "Ed White" <ce.white3.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1175783989.550396.14440@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>> http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/toyota/archives/2007/04/no_love_..._the_1.
>>> or http://tinyurl.com/2b94ga
>>>
>>> Sort of a silly complaint. At least in this respect, the Tundra is no
>>> worse than other 1/2 on Trucks.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>
>> Why don't those putzes aim their attention at consumers who buy trucks,
>> but don't need them?
>>
>
>
> How in the world would you, or anybody else for that matter, know whether
> a person that buys a truck "needs' it or not? LOL
>
>
> mike
>
We've been through this before. If you can't come up with the obvious answer
to your own question, then any further discussion would be pointless. >> Stay informed about: No love for the Tundra |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:55 pm
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"mack" <mackerel.DeleteThis@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:cX7Rh.6240$ya1.4334@news02.roc.ny...
>> "Ed White" <ce.white3.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1175783989.550396.14440@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>> http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/toyota/archives/2007/04/no_love_..._the_1.
>>> or http://tinyurl.com/2b94ga
>>>
>>> Sort of a silly complaint. At least in this respect, the Tundra is no
>>> worse than other 1/2 on Trucks.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>
>> Why don't those putzes aim their attention at consumers who buy trucks,
>> but don't need them?
>>
> That might be helpful indeed. I realize that this is 'the land of the
> free', meaning that people make their own decisions on which vehicle to
> buy, but I constantly see
> drivers in large minivans, trucks etc who drive alone and seem to tote
> only a couple of grocery bags, if that much. Yet they choose to drive a
> Suburban or Expedition (V-10).
> Among the more ludicrous are the LOLs (Little Old Ladies) who evidently
> favor Buick Park Avenues, Cadillac Devilles and Chrysler 300s, and who are
> so tiny that their field of vision is between the top of the steering
> wheel and the instrument panel, and unless their car automatically pulls
> the emergency brake off when they put it in gear, usually drive with the
> brake on.
>
Prepare for a stupid response from Hunter, who doesn't know that during
WWII, Americans voluntarily made lifestyle changes for the good of the
country. He doesn't think this is possible nowadays. He thinks that if we
mention lifestyle changes, we want to make draconian laws requiring them.
Hunter thinks that retirement means shutting off your mind. >> Stay informed about: No love for the Tundra |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:11 pm
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"Ed White" <ce.white3.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Little old ladies in Park Avenues are not a major contributor to
> global warming. Little old ladies do not drive very much and the
> current large Buick gets pretty good mileage - EPA says 20 City/30
> Highway, close to the same as a V-6 Camry.
The problem is that many little old ladies (and men) never exceed 28 and a
half miles per hour, so they're *always* doing city driving. >> Stay informed about: No love for the Tundra |
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Since: Sep 16, 2005 Posts: 1536
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:26 pm
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In WWII there was a military draft, but thousands of us enlisted as well.
Today everybody in the military is an enlistee. In WWII most every American
'volunteered' as well to help in our effort to save our homeland from
invasion. Today half the people are willing to cut and run rather than do
what is necessary to save the homeland from a worse threat. When the
radical Islamic nuts finally do set of a dirty bomb in this country the CO2
level will be the least of your worries. Some of us WWII vets that are
still around wonder what did we fight for now that so many kooks think the
President is our enemy rather than the radical
Islamic terrorist that our military are fighting around the world every day.
It's sad, in my day we would have shot a lot of these kooks.
If you want to hear about what true American will do for their country, look
up the history behind Francis Scott Key, Fort Henry, Colonial American
prisoners of war held by the Brits, and his reason for writing of the Star
Spangled Banner
mike
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cS9Rh.6245$ya1.4811@news02.roc.ny...
> "mack" <mackerel.RemoveThis@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
> news:131aa8rbituur3c@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:cX7Rh.6240$ya1.4334@news02.roc.ny...
>>> "Ed White" <ce.white3.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1175783989.550396.14440@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>>> http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/toyota/archives/2007/04/no_love_..._the_1.
>>>> or http://tinyurl.com/2b94ga
>>>>
>>>> Sort of a silly complaint. At least in this respect, the Tundra is no
>>>> worse than other 1/2 on Trucks.
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why don't those putzes aim their attention at consumers who buy trucks,
>>> but don't need them?
>>>
>> That might be helpful indeed. I realize that this is 'the land of the
>> free', meaning that people make their own decisions on which vehicle to
>> buy, but I constantly see
>> drivers in large minivans, trucks etc who drive alone and seem to tote
>> only a couple of grocery bags, if that much. Yet they choose to drive a
>> Suburban or Expedition (V-10).
>> Among the more ludicrous are the LOLs (Little Old Ladies) who evidently
>> favor Buick Park Avenues, Cadillac Devilles and Chrysler 300s, and who
>> are so tiny that their field of vision is between the top of the steering
>> wheel and the instrument panel, and unless their car automatically pulls
>> the emergency brake off when they put it in gear, usually drive with the
>> brake on.
>>
>
> Prepare for a stupid response from Hunter, who doesn't know that during
> WWII, Americans voluntarily made lifestyle changes for the good of the
> country. He doesn't think this is possible nowadays. He thinks that if we
> mention lifestyle changes, we want to make draconian laws requiring them.
> >> Stay informed about: No love for the Tundra |
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Since: Nov 20, 2006 Posts: 2549
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:28 pm
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On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:51:32 -0700, mack wrote:
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> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:cX7Rh.6240$ya1.4334@news02.roc.ny...
>> "Ed White" <ce.white3.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1175783989.550396.14440@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>> http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/toyota/archives/2007/04/no_love_..._the_1.
>>> or http://tinyurl.com/2b94ga
>>>
>>> Sort of a silly complaint. At least in this respect, the Tundra is no
>>> worse than other 1/2 on Trucks.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>>
>> Why don't those putzes aim their attention at consumers who buy trucks,
>> but don't need them?
>>
> That might be helpful indeed. I realize that this is 'the land of the
> free', meaning that people make their own decisions on which vehicle to
> buy, but I constantly see
> drivers in large minivans, trucks etc who drive alone and seem to tote
> only a couple of grocery bags, if that much.
I had a Grand Voyager AWD "Winter Beater" that went on the road in
November and came off in May. The Supra that is registered in those months
in between gets *ALMOST* as good fuel economy as the van did.
But, it also hauled my snowblower to and from the repair shop, brought
home my new furniture, and hauled my band's equipment around to gigs.
But there were plenty of times I drove it with just me in it.
It even got better gas mileage than the LHS that was registered year
'round.
> Yet they choose to drive a
> Suburban or Expedition (V-10).
> Among the more ludicrous are the LOLs (Little Old Ladies) who evidently
> favor Buick Park Avenues, Cadillac Devilles and Chrysler 300s, and who are
> so tiny that their field of vision is between the top of the steering
> wheel and the instrument panel, and unless their car automatically pulls
> the emergency brake off when they put it in gear, usually drive with the
> brake on. >> Stay informed about: No love for the Tundra |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:29 pm
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On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:05:30 -0700, Ed White wrote:
>> Among the more ludicrous are the LOLs (Little Old Ladies) who evidently
>> favor Buick Park Avenues, Cadillac Devilles and Chrysler 300s, and who
>> are so tiny that their field of vision is between the top of the
>> steering wheel and the instrument panel, and unless their car
>> automatically pulls the emergency brake off when they put it in gear,
>> usually drive with the brake on.
>
> Little old ladies in Park Avenues are not a major contributor to global
> warming. Little old ladies do not drive very much and the current large
> Buick gets pretty good mileage - EPA says 20 City/30 Highway, close to the
> same as a V-6 Camry.
And 5 mile trips are the WORST thing you can do with a car like that. Oh,
wait; five mile trips at 30 MPH are even WORSE than that. The Cat doesn't
get hot enough on short trips, and causes the engine to run less
efficiently than a good 30 MPH blow off on the highway. >> Stay informed about: No love for the Tundra |
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Since: May 15, 2006 Posts: 1209
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:44 am
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I wasn't talking about anything to do with the military during WWII. As I
said, you know nothing about what Americans did voluntarily, and you have no
faith in our ability to do whatever's necessary in the future.
I will give you no further hints about WWII.
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2.RemoveThis@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> In WWII there was a military draft, but thousands of us enlisted as well.
> Today everybody in the military is an enlistee. In WWII most every
> American 'volunteered' as well to help in our effort to save our homeland
> from invasion. Today half the people are willing to cut and run rather
> than do what is necessary to save the homeland from a worse threat. When
> the radical Islamic nuts finally do set of a dirty bomb in this country
> the CO2 level will be the least of your worries. Some of us WWII vets
> that are still around wonder what did we fight for now that so many kooks
> think the President is our enemy rather than the radical
> Islamic terrorist that our military are fighting around the world every
> day. It's sad, in my day we would have shot a lot of these kooks.
>
> If you want to hear about what true American will do for their country,
> look up the history behind Francis Scott Key, Fort Henry, Colonial
> American prisoners of war held by the Brits, and his reason for writing of
> the Star Spangled Banner
>
>
>
> mike
>
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:cS9Rh.6245$ya1.4811@news02.roc.ny...
>> "mack" <mackerel.RemoveThis@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
>> news:131aa8rbituur3c@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:cX7Rh.6240$ya1.4334@news02.roc.ny...
>>>> "Ed White" <ce.white3.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1175783989.550396.14440@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/toyota/archives/2007/04/no_love_..._the_1.
>>>>> or http://tinyurl.com/2b94ga
>>>>>
>>>>> Sort of a silly complaint. At least in this respect, the Tundra is no
>>>>> worse than other 1/2 on Trucks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why don't those putzes aim their attention at consumers who buy trucks,
>>>> but don't need them?
>>>>
>>> That might be helpful indeed. I realize that this is 'the land of the
>>> free', meaning that people make their own decisions on which vehicle to
>>> buy, but I constantly see
>>> drivers in large minivans, trucks etc who drive alone and seem to tote
>>> only a couple of grocery bags, if that much. Yet they choose to drive a
>>> Suburban or Expedition (V-10).
>>> Among the more ludicrous are the LOLs (Little Old Ladies) who evidently
>>> favor Buick Park Avenues, Cadillac Devilles and Chrysler 300s, and who
>>> are so tiny that their field of vision is between the top of the
>>> steering wheel and the instrument panel, and unless their car
>>> automatically pulls the emergency brake off when they put it in gear,
>>> usually drive with the brake on.
>>>
>>
>> Prepare for a stupid response from Hunter, who doesn't know that during
>> WWII, Americans voluntarily made lifestyle changes for the good of the
>> country. He doesn't think this is possible nowadays. He thinks that if we
>> mention lifestyle changes, we want to make draconian laws requiring them.
>>
>
> >> Stay informed about: No love for the Tundra |
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