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Since: Feb 16, 2008
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:57 pm
Post subject: knocking sound coming from steering/wheel assembly
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I recently replaced the ball joint, outer tie rod, wheel bearings and
seals and axle on the passenger side of my 1988 GL, and now there is a
knocking sound coming from the wheel assembly when I accelerate or
turn. I've torn it apart 8 times now trying to figure out what it is,
but can't see anything wrong. What could be causing this sound?
Justin |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:07 pm
Post subject: Re: knocking sound coming from steering/wheel assembly [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"findlay" wrote in message
>I recently replaced the ball joint, outer tie rod, wheel bearings and
> seals and axle on the passenger side of my 1988 GL, and now there is a
> knocking sound coming from the wheel assembly when I accelerate or
> turn.
Could be
- a caliper that's binding because the pads are unevenly worn due to the old
wheel bearings.
- Main axle nut is too loose. Pull the split pin, loosen the nut and then
retorque it up.
- faulty outer CV. Was the axle rebuilt or simply another used one? There
should be NO rotational slop in the outer CV if it was rebuilt. The inner CV
that slides in-out should have 0-0.5mm also, but when its worn you rought
points where the rotational slop can be 2+ mm. A symptom is that the
steering wheel vibrates as though the wheels are out of balance.
- strut top insulator bearing
- engine mounts?
Since this happens when you turn I'll first guess a CV issue.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:57 pm
Post subject: Re: knocking sound coming from steering/wheel assembly [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Feb 17, 11:07 am, "Stewart DIBBS" wrote:
> Could be
> - a caliper that's binding because the pads are unevenly worn due to the old
> wheel bearings.
The brake pads look evenly worn.
> - Main axle nut is too loose. Pull the split pin, loosen the nut and then
> retorque it up.
The axle nut is on quite tight, though I could try this too.
> - faulty outer CV. Was the axle rebuilt or simply another used one? There
> should be NO rotational slop in the outer CV if it was rebuilt. The inner CV
> that slides in-out should have 0-0.5mm also, but when its worn you rought
> points where the rotational slop can be 2+ mm. A symptom is that the
> steering wheel vibrates as though the wheels are out of balance.
This is a rebuilt axle. I checked the angular slop before installing
and it was quite small. I am getting some steering wheel vibration
though.
> - strut top insulator bearing
The knocking almost sounds loose like it could be the inner tie rod
ball joint jiggling around. How could I verify that the strut bearing
is loose?
> - engine mounts?
When the knocking occurs it's frequency roughly equates to the angular
speed of the wheel.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:07 pm
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findlay wrote:
> On Feb 17, 11:07 am, "Stewart DIBBS" wrote:
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>>Could be
>>- a caliper that's binding because the pads are unevenly worn due to the old
>>wheel bearings.
>
>
> The brake pads look evenly worn.
>
>
>>- Main axle nut is too loose. Pull the split pin, loosen the nut and then
>>retorque it up.
>
>
> The axle nut is on quite tight, though I could try this too.
>
>
>>- faulty outer CV. Was the axle rebuilt or simply another used one? There
>>should be NO rotational slop in the outer CV if it was rebuilt. The inner CV
>>that slides in-out should have 0-0.5mm also, but when its worn you rought
>>points where the rotational slop can be 2+ mm. A symptom is that the
>>steering wheel vibrates as though the wheels are out of balance.
>
>
> This is a rebuilt axle. I checked the angular slop before installing
> and it was quite small. I am getting some steering wheel vibration
> though.
>
>
>>- strut top insulator bearing
>
>
> The knocking almost sounds loose like it could be the inner tie rod
> ball joint jiggling around. How could I verify that the strut bearing
> is loose?
>
>
>>- engine mounts?
>
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> When the knocking occurs it's frequency roughly equates to the angular
> speed of the wheel.
>
>
> Justin
Maybe check the strut's top mount?
Just throwing out another idea.
Carl
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:56 pm
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I jacked up the car this afternoon to check things out again. I
checked the torque on all of the strut bolts/nuts, ball joint bolt,
and axle nut and they are all good. The tie rod seems good. The
slightest nudge sideways on the tire turns the steering wheel. I also
greased the outer tie rod ball joint even though it was pre greased.
I wasn't sure about the motor mounts as I've never done anything with
them before. There is a piece of the mount on either side that moves
slightly when I push/pull on it. There is a lot of grime and dirt on
the mounts, so I couldn't tell whether there was anything obviously
fractured or separated.
Justin >> Stay informed about: knocking sound coming from steering/wheel assembly |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:13 am
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I took the car by CompuTune this morning and the guy there thinks it's
a bad CV joint. That seems logical, but I wasn't willing to believe
it because I had just put the rebuilt axle in and how could it
possibly be broken? It's always good to get another perspective when
you're stumped, and I should have believed Stewart when he said
it. 
Since I have an axle ready to do the other side, I'll just put that
one in and see if it fixes it and then take the other one back to
autozone for a warranty exchange.
Justin >> Stay informed about: knocking sound coming from steering/wheel assembly |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:29 pm
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On Feb 19, 11:13 am, findlay wrote:
> Since I have an axle ready to do the other side, I'll just put that
> one in and see if it fixes it and then take the other one back to
> autozone for a warranty exchange.
I changed the axle yesterday and that didn't fix the problem, so I
took the car back to the shop today and the guy found that the sound
was coming from the transmission. Hopefully that's it. Lucky for me
that I have a backup transmission ready to go.
Justin >> Stay informed about: knocking sound coming from steering/wheel assembly |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:29 pm
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On Feb 19, 11:13 am, findlay wrote:
> Since I have an axle ready to do the other side, I'll just put that
> one in and see if it fixes it and then take the other one back to
> autozone for a warranty exchange.
I changed the axle yesterday and that didn't fix the problem, so I
took the car back to the shop today and the guy found that the sound
was coming from the transmission. Hopefully that's it. Lucky for me
that I have a backup transmission ready to go.
Justin >> Stay informed about: knocking sound coming from steering/wheel assembly |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:52 pm
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On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:57:08 -0800, findlay wrote:
> I recently replaced the ball joint, outer tie rod, wheel bearings and
> seals and axle on the passenger side of my 1988 GL, and now there is a
> knocking sound coming from the wheel assembly when I accelerate or turn.
> I've torn it apart 8 times now trying to figure out what it is, but can't
> see anything wrong. What could be causing this sound?
>
>
> Justin
Sounds like you've torn everything apart and looked at everything...
except the linkage for the steering column. It's a U-joint similar to the
rear drive shaft. They get aged on older cars. Hit it with some grease,
but check it first. They last a LONG time, but nothing lasts forever! If
it looks like it's falling apart, get a new one! NOW!!!!
(I'm betting the grease will fix it. This happened on a Corolla I own, a
Camry my Mom owns, and a Suby 88 GL coupe I bought last summer. The
grease took care of it...) >> Stay informed about: knocking sound coming from steering/wheel assembly |
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