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dwilson48

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:31 am
Post subject: I need any info on installing an inverter in a 97 Crown Vic Police.
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Does anyone in the discussion group have experience in installing AC
inverters in a Crown Vic?
The inverter I'm looking at is about 18 inches long and about 6 inches
wide 3 inches deep. I was looking at the available room aft of the
battery and it's not much room. My CV is a Police intercept model and
I'd hoped there would be some place this kind a gear would have been
installed in its previous life.

Anybody have any ideas on good way to do a semi-permanent install of
this kind of equipment?

Dennis

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Bruce L. Bergman

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:07 pm
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:52:42 -0700 (PDT), dennis
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>Bruce,
>Thanks for the advise! You have addressed several of my questions and
>concerns about this install! I'm going to look again in the trunk to
>see if there's evidence of a previous inverter installation on this
>car. It certainly hasn't ever had an additional battery installed up
>front.

No problem, I hate seeing things done halfway. (Maintenance &
Repair Electrician) Because I usually get called when someone else
tries doing it halfway (or on the cheap) and it doesn't work, and I
often have to rip it all out and start over.

More work, bigger bill, and the customer is inevitably pissed about
the whole thing because he's paying for the work twice - even though
I'm not the one that messed it up.

I have a 1KW inverter and dual batteries in my work truck, but only
the stock 100A Delphi alternator for now. Works fine when done right.

(If I start hammering the inverter hard I'll see about a bigger
alternator, or setting up a semi-permanent charge/jumper cable socket
on the bumper with the big Anderson PowerPole connectors [electric
forklift or Tow Truck style] and a charge station at home.)

There is often space for a second battery up front if the vehicle is
sold anywhere in the world as a Diesel, and you can usually get a
factory battery tray and battery hold-down system that bolts right
into that location - but you may have to shuffle things around.

Van or Sedan? Major work, you'll need to get special brackets to
hang the battery box underneath, or install a vented compartment in
the rear somewhere. Newer Vans they tend to put other gasoline
emissions related things there that can not be easily moved.

If you want to put a wet battery inside the passenger compartment or
trunk of a vehicle it HAS to be vented outside, in case it decides to
outgas some hydrogen when overcharged. Either a sealed battery with a
vent hose to outside ALA the old Volkswagen Beetle, or in a sealed
compartment with the door or a vent hose to outside.

Look on van conversion ambulances, they notch the body and hang a
steel 'possum belly' box underneath (louvered door) for the extra
batteries, usually behind the driver's door.

The "Optima" sealed starved-electrolyte battery is the exception, it
will work inside the body or trunk since they only outgas if /really/
abused, but they are double the price - regular 24DC wet battery is
~$60, the Optima Yellow Top DC or Blue Top Marine Starting/DC is
~$150. And no big advantage service-life wise.

You only use the Optima when nothing else will work, like a race car
(shock and vibration, and weight concerns) or you need the very low
internal resistance (3,000A to 5,000A peak current) for cranking over
a huge "sleeper" engine in a small car, or to make the bass punch
right on a megabuck 1,000W+ sound system. In that case, you mount the
Optima battery in the back RIGHT next to the amplifiers, just far
enough for a big fuseblock and 100A or 150A fuse to each amp.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:50 pm
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:27:25 -0700, Bruce L. Bergman
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> Unless you will be using the inverter only sporadically and with the
>engine running 99% of the time, install a second deep-cycle battery
>and a diode isolator under the hood at the same time, and strongly
>consider an alternator upgrade to the 120A to 150A class.

A 97 CVPI should already have a 200A alternator installed.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:05 pm
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:45:30 -0700 (PDT), Picasso
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>what do the cops use the inverters for?
>
>Any car i've seen the computers and sirens etc all run off 12v or 12v
>with some sort of converter built in perhaps?

They don't - but the Crown Vic Police Interceptor is built with an
oversized alternator and battery standard to run the radios and
lights. Adding an inverter is not that hard to do, and then you can
run small power tools or appliances.

But as I mentioned above, if you are going to use ANY significant
electric loads with the engine off, you really need a dual-battery
system with a deep-cycle battery installed just to run those loads -
otherwise you'll have lots of dead starting batteries, be getting lots
of jump-starts, and be changing the starting battery every year or two
from the deep-cycling damage.

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:12 pm
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:50:45 -0400, Tim J. wrote:

>On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:27:25 -0700, Bruce L. Bergman
> wrote:
>
>> Unless you will be using the inverter only sporadically and with the
>>engine running 99% of the time, install a second deep-cycle battery
>>and a diode isolator under the hood at the same time, and strongly
>>consider an alternator upgrade to the 120A to 150A class.
>
>A 97 CVPI should already have a 200A alternator installed.

Should, yes. (Though 200A sounds a bit high - I'd expect a 130A to
150A unit. They don't add THAT much stuff.)

But if the alternator died as the car was being decommissioned and
prepped to be sold at auction, or needed to be replaced by the first
resale owner, they could have stuck in a 'stock' 80A or 100A unit.
Whole lot less money, and they figure the average used car buyer would
never notice - and if you weren't going to add a bunch of heavy
amp-draw accessories back in, you wouldn't...

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:14 am
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:12:11 -0700, Bruce L. Bergman
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>(Though 200A sounds a bit high - I'd expect a 130A to
>150A unit. They don't add THAT much stuff.)

Yes, sometimes they do. I've had two PI's and both came with 200A
alternators.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:20 pm
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On Sep 1, 1:14 am, Tim J. wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:12:11 -0700, Bruce L. Bergman
>
> wrote:
> >(Though 200A sounds a bit high - I'd expect a 130A to
> >150A unit.  They don't add THAT much stuff.)
>
> Yes, sometimes they do.  I've had two PI's and both came with 200A
> alternators.

Wow! A lot of great info on this topic! Thanks, everyone.

FWIW, I just took a look at the alternator installed in my 97CV PI and
it's a 130 Amp. Of course, since I'm only about the fourth owner, and
the car had some front end damage in a previous life, it's hard to say
if it's original. I doubt it, but I believe 130A was probably stock.
Regards,
Dennis
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:55 pm
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On Aug 31, 6:07 pm, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:
>   You only use the Optima when nothing else will work, like a race car
> (shock and vibration, and weight concerns) or you need the very low
> internal resistance (3,000A to 5,000A peak current) for cranking over
> a huge "sleeper" engine in a small car, or to make the bass punch
> right on a megabuck 1,000W+ sound system.  In that case, you mount the
> Optima battery in the back RIGHT next to the amplifiers, just far
> enough for a big fuseblock and 100A or 150A fuse to each amp.
>
>      --<< Bruce >>--

Nah, no aspirations of such stuff.
<Completely off-topic>
What got me started on this inverter idea was thinking about emergency
power this winter. I'm looking at the 30% chance that our power would
be out for a while during a Kansas blizzard or ice storm. We can
handle lack of lighting (our standy, kerosene lamps) and tv and
computer fine, but the furnace shuts down for lack of juice to the
blower fan (approx 10A starting, 5A running)

I thought that adding about 300-400 bucks worth of hardware (properly
installed of course), could be economically better than getting an
appropriately sized gas generator.
The gas generator, running away outside in the middle of the night,
would be bothersome for the neighbor (unless I tossed an extension
cord her way, in which case I'd need a little bigger gas
generator :> ) and the noise attracts generator thieves around here.
Besides, my real emergency power needs are limited to just the
intermittent running of the furnace, running for about 5 minutes, then
off for 30-45 minutes. All the while the gas generator would be out
there burning gas and making noise. The CV has a greater gas capacity
and is a bit quieter.
<Back toward topic>

What I had in mind for the car project was adding a Remote Start/Auto-
run box to the CV, as well as a 1Kw to 1.5Kw inverter and run the
intermittent furnace blower on extension cord until the utility is
restored. I have another vehicle available for trips to the store and
such.
Thanks to the input on this topic, I have a greater understanding of
how to do this safely.
Dennis
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