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nightrider.36

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:36 pm
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I'm trying to figure out a a way to get deeper into the desert and a
4x4 is it. ( Anza Borrego National Park in Southern California).

I've never owned a 4x4 vehicle and I'm not even sure if the difference
between that and an all-wheel drive vehicle. But less than that, I'm
having a difficult time justifying buying a vehicle that I'm only going
to use a few times a year, that just doesn't make sense to me. So do
what do most of you do?

- Is your 4x4 your primary commuter vehicle? ( this would make sense,
but my daily commute is long, I need to make it in a fuel efficient
car, now I get 38mpg, I know a 4x4 won't do that)

- How do you justify the costs of owning an extra vehicle?

- How do you buy a used 4x4 vehicle that can potentially break in the
middle of nowhere?

Thanks,

-Alex

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:56 pm
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nightrider.36 wrote:

> I'm trying to figure out a a way to get deeper into the desert and a
> 4x4 is it. ( Anza Borrego National Park in Southern California).
>
> I've never owned a 4x4 vehicle and I'm not even sure if the difference
> between that and an all-wheel drive vehicle. But less than that, I'm
> having a difficult time justifying buying a vehicle that I'm only going
> to use a few times a year, that just doesn't make sense to me. So do
> what do most of you do?
>
> - Is your 4x4 your primary commuter vehicle? ( this would make sense,
> but my daily commute is long, I need to make it in a fuel efficient
> car, now I get 38mpg, I know a 4x4 won't do that)
>
> - How do you justify the costs of owning an extra vehicle?
>
> - How do you buy a used 4x4 vehicle that can potentially break in the
> middle of nowhere?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Alex
>
Justification is easy. You want a new toy to have fun with.
What more could you need?
A true off road desert vehicle shouldn't be your daily
driver. What happens if you break it on the trail? How would
you get to work.
Even a new truck can leave you stranded on the trail. I'v
seen it happen. Get a truck that's in as good of mechanical
condition as you can afford, have a professional mechanic look it
over before buying. Carry spares of common items. Learn you to
fix things good enough to get you home. Travel with friends and
their vehicles.
Be prepared to spend the night out there, and hike back the
next day. Sometimes that happens. When you're out in boondocks,
AAA won't rescue you. That's just part of the fun.

--
..boB
2006 FXDI hot rod
2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast.

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Ed H.

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Since: Jul 30, 2006
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:58 am
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1) 4x4 usually means full time 4 wheel drive - only for use off pavement or
on loose traction surfaces (i.e. dirt, sand, gravel, mud). All wheel drive
usually means the vehicle will automatically adjust the percent of torque
between the front and rear axles based on what ever parameters the
engineer(s) demeed appropriate. If driving off highway buy a 4x4 (unless
you can't tell when to use 4x4 and when not to in which case you shouldn't
go into the desert).

2) Justify the vehicle on how often you go to places where you will
need/want the extra capability to either drive into or out of your choosen
destination. I own 2 4x4 vehicles for different purposes. I justified the
purchase of an economical daily driver buy comparing the purchase cost
against the improved fuel mileage of said daily driver.

3) A good rule of thumb to remember is... you will walk out 2 miles if you
have a 2 wheel drive, you will walk out 4 miles if you have a 4 wheel drive,
you will walk out 6 miles if you have a 4 wheel drive with a winch. Always
carry extra water, food, blankets, clothing, boots, shovels, flash lights,
batteries, glow sticks, candles, matches/lighters, knifes, knife sharpeners,
saws, shovels, jacks, maps, tow straps, rope, etcetera, etcetera.

4) If you are new to 4x4 adventures, look for local clubs. A friend and I
are going to either Salton City or Anza Borrego Saturday, November 18 and
staying for a few days to watch the Leonid meteor shower. If you reply to
my e-mail address before then maybe you can join us and see what it's like.


"nightrider.36" <alex.cordero.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm trying to figure out a a way to get deeper into the desert and a
> 4x4 is it. ( Anza Borrego National Park in Southern California).
>
> I've never owned a 4x4 vehicle and I'm not even sure if the difference
> between that and an all-wheel drive vehicle. But less than that, I'm
> having a difficult time justifying buying a vehicle that I'm only going
> to use a few times a year, that just doesn't make sense to me. So do
> what do most of you do?
>
> - Is your 4x4 your primary commuter vehicle? ( this would make sense,
> but my daily commute is long, I need to make it in a fuel efficient
> car, now I get 38mpg, I know a 4x4 won't do that)
>
> - How do you justify the costs of owning an extra vehicle?
>
> - How do you buy a used 4x4 vehicle that can potentially break in the
> middle of nowhere?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Alex
>
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:51 am
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:11:29 GMT, "Ed H." <edo.hart.TakeThisOut@verizon.net>
wrote:

>Jeeps, Scouts, Broncos,
>Blazers and pickups were built very tough.


Old Scouts were the tuffest of the lot and old jeeps where tuff to
but Blazers and Broncos paled in this regard were never really in
the same league as a Scouts and Jeeps.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:51 am
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:11:29 GMT, "Ed H." <edo.hart.RemoveThis@verizon.net>
wrote:

>Jeeps, Scouts, Broncos,
>Blazers and pickups were built very tough.


Old Scouts were the tuffest of the lot and old jeeps where tuff to
but Blazers and Broncos paled in this regard were never really in
the same league as a Scouts and Jeeps.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:51 am
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:11:29 GMT, "Ed H." <edo.hart.TakeThisOut@verizon.net>
wrote:

>Jeeps, Scouts, Broncos,
>Blazers and pickups were built very tough.


Old Scouts were the tuffest of the lot and old jeeps where tuff to
but Blazers and Broncos paled in this regard were never really in
the same league as a Scouts and Jeeps.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:56 am
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:09:01 -0600, Larry Gathright
<gathright408.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>What do you think about the Bronco II? I just bought a 1985 with the 2.8
>V6 for $800.00. I have been driving to to work since I bought it. What
>do I need to look out for on it.


That TTB front axle really limits that vehical potentail. Ford played
a cruel trick on public with that front axle design which tend to be
unstable at best and wear tires funny because it is a swing axle
design with constant radical camber changes driving down the road
which also varies the tread/track width as the suspension articulates
(reason for rapid and uneven tire wear) If ford had designed that
vehicle with a sold front axle it would have been a lot more atractive
to work with.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:56 am
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:09:01 -0600, Larry Gathright
<gathright408.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>What do you think about the Bronco II? I just bought a 1985 with the 2.8
>V6 for $800.00. I have been driving to to work since I bought it. What
>do I need to look out for on it.


That TTB front axle really limits that vehical potentail. Ford played
a cruel trick on public with that front axle design which tend to be
unstable at best and wear tires funny because it is a swing axle
design with constant radical camber changes driving down the road
which also varies the tread/track width as the suspension articulates
(reason for rapid and uneven tire wear) If ford had designed that
vehicle with a sold front axle it would have been a lot more atractive
to work with.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:56 am
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:09:01 -0600, Larry Gathright
<gathright408.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>What do you think about the Bronco II? I just bought a 1985 with the 2.8
>V6 for $800.00. I have been driving to to work since I bought it. What
>do I need to look out for on it.


That TTB front axle really limits that vehical potentail. Ford played
a cruel trick on public with that front axle design which tend to be
unstable at best and wear tires funny because it is a swing axle
design with constant radical camber changes driving down the road
which also varies the tread/track width as the suspension articulates
(reason for rapid and uneven tire wear) If ford had designed that
vehicle with a sold front axle it would have been a lot more atractive
to work with.
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