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Mike hunt

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(Msg. 76) Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:54 pm
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You naturally are free to believe whatever you choose, but it seems you fail
to understand most of what you read, including the information from the
sites you search.

You remind me of the scientist that noticed every time he waved his hand the
fly on his desk would fly away, only to return. He caught the fly and
pulled off its wings. This time when he waved his hand the fly stayed put.
He wrote in his journal; "If a fly looses its wings it apparently can not
longer see. Conclusion: "They must see with there wings and not their
eyes." LOL

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mike hunt wrote:
>> Do your own homework, it should be obivious
>
> I did. I found out that only 1/2 the aluminum cans are recycled. That
> tells me that separation at transfer stations is not happening nearly
> often enough. It argues that curbside recycling is the surest method to
> get an aluminum can recycled (outside of requiring a deposit and refunding
> the money when can is returned).

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Mike hunt

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(Msg. 77) Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:36 pm
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Are you guys that slow? The point of the post was the EPA's effort to
inform one that there is a FEDERAL regulation that applies to industry,
concerning disposal of spilled mercury and the related vapors as well as to
broken Mercury light bulbs, including the tube types that have been in use
for ages.

For now the EPA is only RECOMMENDS one follow the regulation on to how to
clean up after the ones that you have broken in your home. If there is a
regulation that means at some point the environuts can sue to have the EPA
enforced that regulation on YOU, as well as industry, or pay a fine.

There are hundreds of similar regulations on disposal of so called
"hazardous" product for industries for which there is nothing in the law
DISTINGUISHING industry from ones home.

Technically even today one is in violation of EPA regulation for dozens of
things one routinely places in one garbage can. Containers of Clorox, spray
paint, hairspray, even drain cleaner can not be placed in a land fill.

If you think not, try to get ride of a tire, battery or refrigerator without
going to a recycling center and paying a fee.

As for me when it comes to the time incandescent lamps are going to be
outlawed, I will do what I did when asbestos and Freon was banned, I'll buy
lots of the old fashioned bulbs. I still have several boxes fo Freon for
my old cars that I bought at $1,75 a pound Wink

<rantonrave.RemoveThis@mail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Mike hunt wrote:
>>
>>It is my understand that all of them are imported, NO US manufacture is
>>making the bulbs because of the EPA regulations on mercury make it too
>>costly.
>>As too "licking the bulbs," mercury is not a problem in its liquid state.
>>Mercury has been used for a long time as a medicine. Inhaling Mercury
>>VAPORS is the problem.
>
> Mercury is a problem, whether liquid or vapor. By the way, how does
> an open container of liquid mercury at room temperature and pressure
> not emit vapor?
>
> Fluorescents have already been providing the majority of the world's
> electric lighting for decades, and the reports I've seen don't
> indicate these compact fluorescents increasing the environmental
> problem by much, especially since they're only a stopgap measure until
> LEDs become dominant.
>
>

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(Msg. 78) Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:45 pm
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You mean the liquid sodium types used to replace the Mercury Vapor street
lamps? The liquid sodium lamps that used 1/3 less electricity, but they
had to install TWICE as many to light the same area? Those liquid sodium
lamps? LOL



<manny RemoveThis @london.com> wrote in message
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>
> Jeff wrote:
>
>> However, if the bulb packaging says: Same energy efficiency as compact
>> fluorescent bulbs and NO MERCURY, then they will sell.
>
> Not if they put out pinkish-orange light like the mercury-free sodium
> lamps on my street.
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(Msg. 79) Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:54 pm
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Seems to me when I look at the LED tail lamps on my 08 MKZ, they appear to
be RED. The LEDs on my deck, at my home in Key West, appear to by amber.
I must be color blind LOL

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Klark Kent wrote:
>> In message news:99cddaed-f92e-4603-8c82-
>> 191ee91f6a83.DeleteThis@x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com, manny.DeleteThis@london.com burned some
>> brain cells writing:
>>
>>>
>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>
>>>> However, if the bulb packaging says: Same energy efficiency as compact
>>>> fluorescent bulbs and NO MERCURY, then they will sell.
>>> Not if they put out pinkish-orange light like the mercury-free sodium
>>> lamps on my street.
>>
>> Or the refrigerator-interior-cum-hospital-room of LEDs.
>
> Actually, LEDs are better suited for use indoor, because the color of the
> lights can be adjusted for different uses, unlike regular light bulbs and
> CFLs which have only one color.
>
> Jeff
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Jeff

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(Msg. 80) Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:56 pm
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Mike hunt wrote:
> Seems to me when I look at the LED tail lamps on my 08 MKZ, they appear to
> be RED. The LEDs on my deck, at my home in Key West, appear to by amber.
> I must be color blind LOL

LEDs come in different color. If red, green and blue LEDs are mixed
together, the light appears white, just like the white part of a
computer screen screen actually is made of red, green and blue pixels
that blend together to make white.

You should read up on some engineering.

Jeff

> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c%0Pj.3217$y63.2438@trndny02...
>> Klark Kent wrote:
>>> In message news:99cddaed-f92e-4603-8c82-
>>> 191ee91f6a83 DeleteThis @x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com, manny DeleteThis @london.com burned some
>>> brain cells writing:
>>>
>>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> However, if the bulb packaging says: Same energy efficiency as compact
>>>>> fluorescent bulbs and NO MERCURY, then they will sell.
>>>> Not if they put out pinkish-orange light like the mercury-free sodium
>>>> lamps on my street.
>>> Or the refrigerator-interior-cum-hospital-room of LEDs.
>> Actually, LEDs are better suited for use indoor, because the color of the
>> lights can be adjusted for different uses, unlike regular light bulbs and
>> CFLs which have only one color.
>>
>> Jeff
>
>
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Mike hunt

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(Msg. 81) Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:56 pm
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I have no need to change the color of my tail lights, even if I did I would
be in vioation of the NHTSA light standards. I like the amber on my deck
at night, that why I chose that color, no bugs LOL

Really? then why did you say:
>> Actually, LEDs are better suited for use indoor, because the color of the
>> lights can be adjusted for different uses, unlike regular light bulbs and
>> CFLs which have only one color.
>>
>> Jeff

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mike hunt wrote:
>> Seems to me when I look at the LED tail lamps on my 08 MKZ, they appear
>> to be RED. The LEDs on my deck, at my home in Key West, appear to by
>> amber. I must be color blind LOL
>
> LEDs come in different color. If red, green and blue LEDs are mixed
> together, the light appears white, just like the white part of a computer
> screen screen actually is made of red, green and blue pixels that blend
> together to make white.
>
> You should read up on some engineering.
>
> Jeff
>
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:c%0Pj.3217$y63.2438@trndny02...
>>> Klark Kent wrote:
>>>> In message news:99cddaed-f92e-4603-8c82-
>>>> 191ee91f6a83.DeleteThis@x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com, manny.DeleteThis@london.com burned some
>>>> brain cells writing:
>>>>
>>>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> However, if the bulb packaging says: Same energy efficiency as
>>>>>> compact
>>>>>> fluorescent bulbs and NO MERCURY, then they will sell.
>>>>> Not if they put out pinkish-orange light like the mercury-free sodium
>>>>> lamps on my street.
>>>> Or the refrigerator-interior-cum-hospital-room of LEDs.
>>> Actually, LEDs are better suited for use indoor, because the color of
>>> the lights can be adjusted for different uses, unlike regular light
>>> bulbs and CFLs which have only one color.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
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(Msg. 82) Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:55 pm
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Perhaps but I made no mention of China, I was refer to your comment. You
said "IF I were a Wal-Mart shopper, I'd expect to buy junk from there," that
is what led me to point out what you call "junk" at Wal-Mart is the same
stuff as the high end brand, one is the same as the other. To me it seems
stupid to buy bottled water under any brand name Wink




"witfal" <nospam.RemoveThis@all4.me> wrote in message
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> On 2008-04-21 10:39:01 -0700, "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22.RemoveThis@lycos.com> said:
>
>> Really? When one buys Wal-Mart brand bottled water it contain the very
>> same
>> water that is in the "Avian" bottles, both coming from the same "Nestle"
>> plant in Allentown Pa. The only difference is the bottle, the label
>> and
>> the price.
>
> First of all, it's Evian, not Avian, the latter referring to birds.
> Second, I didn't claim in my post that ALL Walmart products come from
> China.
>
>> LOL
>
> Indeed.
>
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(Msg. 83) Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:55 pm
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JoeSpareBedroom

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(Msg. 84) Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:57 pm
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"witfal" <nospam RemoveThis @all4.me> wrote in message
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> On 2008-04-21 10:39:01 -0700, "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22 RemoveThis @lycos.com> said:
>
>> Really? When one buys Wal-Mart brand bottled water it contain the very
>> same
>> water that is in the "Avian" bottles, both coming from the same "Nestle"
>> plant in Allentown Pa. The only difference is the bottle, the label
>> and
>> the price.
>
> First of all, it's Evian, not Avian, the latter referring to birds.
> Second, I didn't claim in my post that ALL Walmart products come from
> China.
>
>> LOL
>
> Indeed.
>

If you drank what he did for breakfast, you'd say "Avian", too.
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(Msg. 85) Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:58 pm
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Seems you guys know a lot about bottled water, you must buy battled water.
Why do I not find that strange? LOL

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> If you drank what he did for breakfast, you'd say "Avian", too.
>
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(Msg. 86) Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:47 pm
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Mike hunt wrote:
> Many cities, the states of Delaware, Pennsylvania, Mack Trucks and most over
> the road trucking companies, are now using LED in traffic signals and
> clearance light on trucks. The reason is they last five times as long and
> do not cost that much more than ordinary lamps. Wink

True. The people who manufacture and market for more industrial
applications *are* going to obey the design rules because their
customers pay attention to reliability and proper design/application.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')
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(Msg. 87) Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:05 pm
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Mike hunt wrote:

> Many cities, the states of Delaware, Pennsylvania, Mack Trucks and most over
> the road trucking companies, are now using LED in traffic signals and
> clearance light on trucks. The reason is they last five times as long and
> do not cost that much more than ordinary lamps. Wink

Thanks, Flash, for bringing us that breaking technology news from the
year 1999.
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(Msg. 88) Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:16 pm
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:14:33 -0400, Bill Putney wrote:

> hachiroku wrote:
>
>> ...The world's largest polluter, per capita, is Australia. This is because
>> of the amount of coal they burn to produce electricity. China and India
>> are tied for second, and the US is next. They've surpassed us (SOURCE:
>> BBC)...
>
> So, by liberal logic, that means that the U.S. has every right to
> increase its pollutant output? That seems to be the claim for everyone
> else when the opposite is claimed about who is the worst polluter.


Sure! Why not!

But, for the second time since you came here, you are WRONG, Bill! The
Liberal Logic says that we should redouble our efforts to make up for the
pollution created by China and India! The dirtier they are, the cleaner we
HAVE to be! Besides, since they are doing all our manufacturing for us, we
should gladly take up the slack!

And remember, the Kyoto Agreement says they can pollute as much as they
want, since they are an 'emerging nation' and need to catch up with the
rest of the world!
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