Your government at work, Fluorescent Light Bulbs

"Bill Putney" <bptn.TakeThisOut@kinez.net> wrote in message
news:66vheqF2j0teaU1@mid.individual.net...
> Jeff wrote:
>> Mike hunt wrote:
>>> The new For more information, The U.S. Environmental Protection
>>> Agency has issued the following
>>
>> Why don't you come up a with a better solution? Fluorescent light bulbs
>> must contain mercury. There is no way around that with today's
>> technology, other to use a different type of light bulb.
>>
>> So what would you recommend, Mr. Engineer?
>>
>> I don't see anything wrong with the guidelines. What's your better idea?
>
> The point is that before you go forcing something down people's throats by
> edict, study *all* the consequences. Don't just do the usual
> environmental cause thing and only publicize the positives of something
> you're in favor of. Factor in all the pluses and minuses up front, then
> make an honest assessment. Don't convince the politicians only with data
> that makes the results like you want them to come out, and once the whole
> society is hooked hit them with the true costs and consequences.
>

As a practical matter, one would have to break several cases of CFLs all at
once to present himself with a haz-mat condition.
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "Bill Putney" <bptn.TakeThisOut@kinez.net> wrote in message
> news:66vheqF2j0teaU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Jeff wrote:
>>> Mike hunt wrote:
>>>> The new For more information, The U.S. Environmental
>>>> Protection Agency has issued the following
>>>
>>> Why don't you come up a with a better solution? Fluorescent light
>>> bulbs must contain mercury. There is no way around that with today's
>>> technology, other to use a different type of light bulb.
>>>
>>> So what would you recommend, Mr. Engineer?
>>>
>>> I don't see anything wrong with the guidelines. What's your better idea?
>>
>> The point is that before you go forcing something down people's
>> throats by edict, study *all* the consequences. Don't just do the
>> usual environmental cause thing and only publicize the positives of
>> something you're in favor of. Factor in all the pluses and minuses up
>> front, then make an honest assessment. Don't convince the politicians
>> only with data that makes the results like you want them to come out,
>> and once the whole society is hooked hit them with the true costs and
>> consequences.
>>
>
> As a practical matter, one would have to break several cases of CFLs all
> at once to present himself with a haz-mat condition.

As a *practical* matter yes - but we're talking about government and
politicians and enviro-whack jobs. Since when have they worried about
practical matters?

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')
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On Apr 19, 5:56 pm, Bill Putney <b....TakeThisOut@kinez.net> wrote:
> edspyhil....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Apr 19, 4:00 pm, "Mike hunt" <mikehun....TakeThisOut@lycos.com> wrote:
> >>       The new For more information,  The U.S. Environmental Protection
> >> Agency has issued the following
>
> >>       guidelines for safely cleaning up broken compact fluorescent light
> >> bulbs that contain MERCURY.
>
> >>       What to do if you acciden­tally break a bulb:
>
> >>       Before Cleanup: VENT the Room
>
> >>       Open a window and leave the room for 15 minutes or more.
>
> >>       Shut OFF the central forced-air heating/air condi­tioning system, if
> >> you have one.
>
> >>       Cleanup Steps for Carpet or rugs
>
> >>       Wear disposable gloves, if available. Carefully scoop up glass
> >> fragments and powder using stiff paper or
>
> >>       cardboard and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a
> >> canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
>
> >>       Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small
> >> glass frag­ments and powder.
>
> >>       Vacuum the area were the bulb was broken. Remove the vacuum bag or
> >> empty the canister and wash it
>
> >>       clean.  Put the bag or vacuum debris in a sealed planted bag and
> >> rewash the canister
>
> >>       Cleanup Steps for Hard Surfaces
>
> >>       Wear disposable gloves, if available. Carefully scoop up glass
> >> fragments and powder using stiff paper or
>
> >>        cardboard and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a
> >> canning jar) or in a sealed plastic
>
> >>        bag.  Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining
> >> small glass frag­ments and
>
> >>        powder. Wipe the area clean with damp paper towels or dispos­able wet
> >> wipes and place them in the glass
>
> >>       jar or plastic bag.  DO NOT use a vacuum or broom to clean up the
> >> broken
>
> >> Disposal of Clean-up Materials
>
> >> Immediately place all cleanup materials, including gloves, outside the
> >> building in a trash container or out­door
>
> >> protected area, away from children, for the next normal trash.   Wash your
> >> hands after disposing  of the jars or plastic
>
> >> bags containing clean-up materials
>
> >> Future Cleaning of Carpeting or Rug:
>
> >> Vent the Room During and After Vacuuming
>
> >> For at least the next few times you vacuum, shut off the central forced-air
> >> heat­ing/air
>
> >> conditioning system and open a window prior to vacuuming.  Keep the central
> >> heat­ing/air
>
> >> conditioning system shut OFF and the window open for at least 15 minutes
> >> after vacuuming is
>
> >> completed.   For more information, visithttp://www.depweb.state.pa.us,
> >> keyword: Household
>
> >> Haz­ardous Waste. The Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs Fact Sheet
>
> > You of course realize, I hope, that schools and businesses have been
> > using flourescent fixtures since the '50's?  I've used the compact
> > flourescent bulbs for the past 15 years and never had one break.  Even
> > have full spectrum 60 watters in each of my musicstand lights.  Don't
> > use them if they scare you.
>
> > I wonder how much mercury is in a can of tuna compared to a compact
> > flourescent bulb?  Anybody know?
>
> But are we just going to be allowed to throw them in the trashcan, or
> will there eventually be some paper work that has to follow each and
> every bulb around to ensure that it is disposed of properly, with fees
> going to some organization once they are everywhere and some greeny
> makes a big deal about the mercury?
>
> This is the way these things go.  Something like this is
> mandated/legislated, then, after the bell is rung, the same
> environmental people behind that all of a sudden realize the "unintended
> consequences" (yeah right - they knew it all along), and - oh my gosh!!
> - there will be all kinds of studies and news articles on the crisis and
> damage being done to mother earth, and we must get emergency legislation
> thru to control this crisis.  And all the savings will be out the window..
>
> Bill Putney
> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> address with the letter 'x')- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Where do you think all the flourescent tubes have been thrown?
Everyone throws them in the trash. Set up a dropoff site and most
people will bring them there. I have an idea that recyled compact
flourescent bulbs have some worth so probably Lowes, or Home Depot or
Walmart will look into this. If you have kids you might want to not
use them. I doubt they will evre be mandated in the US, but the
savings are huge.

I use an absurd example- guns are dangerous in the hands of untrained
owners.
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On Apr 20, 12:57 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborea....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Bill Putney" <b....DeleteThis@kinez.net> wrote in message
>
> news:671asfF2mq40bU2@mid.individual.net...
>
> > Jeff wrote:
>
> >> They are made in China. Very few, if any, are made in the US.
>
> > Man - can you imagine a worse environmental disaster in the making than
> > the Chinese using mercury in *ANY* manufacturing process!?  Think of the
> > factory workers.  Wonder what their groundwater is like?
>
> Not to worry. They probably use mercury waste in their toothpaste.

lol. I bet you are not too far off the mark. If they are not eating
tiger balls or rhinoceros horn or shark fins they are poluting the
world worse than we can imagine. My company is moving the Pharma
chemical R&D labs to China. I bet there won't be near as many fume
hoods as there are here.
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On Apr 20, 12:35 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Bill Putney wrote:
> > edspyhil....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> On Apr 19, 4:00 pm, "Mike hunt" <mikehun....TakeThisOut@lycos.com> wrote:
> >>>       The new For more information,  The U.S. Environmental Protection
> >>> Agency has issued the following
>
> >>>       guidelines for safely cleaning up broken compact fluorescent light
> >>> bulbs that contain MERCURY.
>
> >>>       What to do if you acciden­tally break a bulb:
>
> >>>       Before Cleanup: VENT the Room
>
> >>>       Open a window and leave the room for 15 minutes or more.
>
> >>>       Shut OFF the central forced-air heating/air condi­tioning
> >>> system, if
> >>> you have one.
>
> >>>       Cleanup Steps for Carpet or rugs
>
> >>>       Wear disposable gloves, if available. Carefully scoop up glass
> >>> fragments and powder using stiff paper or
>
> >>>       cardboard and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a
> >>> canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
>
> >>>       Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small
> >>> glass frag­ments and powder.
>
> >>>       Vacuum the area were the bulb was broken. Remove the vacuum bag or
> >>> empty the canister and wash it
>
> >>>       clean.  Put the bag or vacuum debris in a sealed planted bag and
> >>> rewash the canister
>
> >>>       Cleanup Steps for Hard Surfaces
>
> >>>       Wear disposable gloves, if available. Carefully scoop up glass
> >>> fragments and powder using stiff paper or
>
> >>>        cardboard and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a
> >>> canning jar) or in a sealed plastic
>
> >>>        bag.  Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any
> >>> remaining
> >>> small glass frag­ments and
>
> >>>        powder. Wipe the area clean with damp paper towels or
> >>> dispos­able wet
> >>> wipes and place them in the glass
>
> >>>       jar or plastic bag.  DO NOT use a vacuum or broom to clean up the
> >>> broken
>
> >>> Disposal of Clean-up Materials
>
> >>> Immediately place all cleanup materials, including gloves, outside the
> >>> building in a trash container or out­door
>
> >>> protected area, away from children, for the next normal trash.   Wash
> >>> your
> >>> hands after disposing  of the jars or plastic
>
> >>> bags containing clean-up materials
>
> >>> Future Cleaning of Carpeting or Rug:
>
> >>> Vent the Room During and After Vacuuming
>
> >>> For at least the next few times you vacuum, shut off the central
> >>> forced-air
> >>> heat­ing/air
>
> >>> conditioning system and open a window prior to vacuuming.  Keep the
> >>> central
> >>> heat­ing/air
>
> >>> conditioning system shut OFF and the window open for at least 15 minutes
> >>> after vacuuming is
>
> >>> completed.   For more information, visithttp://www.depweb.state.pa.us,
> >>> keyword: Household
>
> >>> Haz­ardous Waste. The Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs Fact Sheet
>
> >> You of course realize, I hope, that schools and businesses have been
> >> using flourescent fixtures since the '50's?  I've used the compact
> >> flourescent bulbs for the past 15 years and never had one break.  Even
> >> have full spectrum 60 watters in each of my musicstand lights.  Don't
> >> use them if they scare you.
>
> >> I wonder how much mercury is in a can of tuna compared to a compact
> >> flourescent bulb?  Anybody know?
>
> > But are we just going to be allowed to throw them in the trashcan, or
> > will there eventually be some paper work that has to follow each and
> > every bulb around to ensure that it is disposed of properly, with fees
> > going to some organization once they are everywhere and some greeny
> > makes a big deal about the mercury?
>
> You're not supposed to throw them in the trashcan. You need to check
> with your local recycling people to find out how to dispose of them.
>
> > This is the way these things go.  Something like this is
> > mandated/legislated, then, after the bell is rung, the same
> > environmental people behind that all of a sudden realize the "unintended
> > consequences" (yeah right - they knew it all along), and - oh my gosh!!
> > - there will be all kinds of studies and news articles on the crisis and
> > damage being done to mother earth, and we must get emergency legislation
> > thru to control this crisis.  And all the savings will be out the window.
>
> Actually, the efficiency is mandated, but not which technology to
> achieve that efficiency. The same or better efficiency can be achieved
> with efficient incandescent bulbs and LEDs (like the ones that light new
> stop lights).
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> > Bill Putney
> > (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> > address with the letter 'x')- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I shifted to LED reading lamps in the bedrooms to avert contaminating
the whole room. They are much cooler, especially in the summer.
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On Apr 20, 3:53 pm, Scott in Florida <Mov... RemoveThis @outa.here> wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:46:31 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
>
>
>
>
>
> <cr... RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >"Jeff" <kidsdoc2... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:NPMOj.2223$kt1.1928@trndny06...
> >> Cathy F. wrote:
> >>> "hachiroku" <Tru... RemoveThis @ae86.GTS> wrote in message
> >>>news:pan.2008.04.20.18.49.13.657000@ae86.GTS...
> >>>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:57:13 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Bill Putney" <b... RemoveThis @kinez.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:671asfF2mq40bU2@mid.individual.net...
> >>>>>> Jeff wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> They are made in China. Very few, if any, are made in the US.
> >>>>>> Man - can you imagine a worse environmental disaster in the making
> >>>>>> than
> >>>>>> the Chinese using mercury in *ANY* manufacturing process!?  Think of
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> factory workers.  Wonder what their groundwater is like?
>
> >>> I don't know about their groundwater, but their surface water has
> >>> problems...  As does their air.  Have seen photos from a couple of people
> >>> who each went to China in the last year; air quality is dismal.  Now, I
> >>> assume it can't be that horrendous over the entire country, but what I
> >>> saw in many of the pics was super-smog.
>
> >> They are stopping many factories and cutting down on travel during the
> >> Olympics.
>
> >> Air quality is a major problem in many cities, not just those in China.
> >> Mexico City, Buenos Aires, Cairo, Seol, Karachi, Jakarta and Sao Paul all
> >> have a lot of air pollution.
>
> >> Many rivers are very polluted. And many wetlands and forests are being
> >> destroyed, too.
>
> >> The problems are not limited to the air.
>
> >>>>> Not to worry. They probably use mercury waste in their toothpaste.
> >>>> I won't buy toothpaste made in China. I won't even buy cat food from
> >>>> China. I *LIKE* my cat!
>
> >>> I feed my cats Science Diet. The price has gone noticeably up lately.
> >>> Mentioned it to my vet... reason why: they are no longer using any
> >>> ingredients from China, after the pet food - & other - contamination
> >>> probs. The Chinese economy is obviosuly growing by incredible leaps &
> >>> bounds - perhaps too fast for their (& everyone else's) own good - other
> >>> embedded aspects (can't think how else to word it at moment) need to
> >>> catch up. Obviously.
>
> >>> Cathy
>
> >> When we buy stuff from China and other 3rd world countries, in some
> >> senses, it is like we are exporting our pollution to China. Of course,
> >> with electronic waste, we literally export it.
>
> >> Jeff
>
> >That's dangerously close to blaming America for the lack of environmental
> >controls in China.
>
> Hell...it is George Bush's fault...you KNOW that!
>
> --
>
>  Scott in Florida- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Shaddup.
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:QrsOj.347$wO1.300@trndny04...
>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>> "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22.TakeThisOut@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>> news:w5ednSshCsjF0pfVnZ2dnUVZ_t-nnZ2d@ptd.net...
>>>> The new For more information, The U.S. Environmental Protection
>>>> Agency has issued the following
>>>>
>>>> guidelines for safely cleaning up broken compact fluorescent light
>>>> bulbs that contain MERCURY.
>>>>
>>>> What to do if you acciden­tally break a bulb:
>>>
>>> Way too many words. All they had to do is let you narrate a 30 second
>>> public service commercial, ending with "This could be you if you're not
>>> careful."
>> Well, the problem is that by the time you read the bulletin, you've been
>> exposed.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>
>
> Ummm...no.

Read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorescent_lamp

Go down to the part where it says: "Mechanism of light production." You
will please note where it says the light if full of mercury vapor. So as
soon as the light is broken, the vapor is released into the air. Which
is why the instructrions say to shut off the central air.

Jeff
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hachiroku wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:17:52 +0000, Jeff wrote:
>
>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>> "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22.RemoveThis@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>> news:w5ednSshCsjF0pfVnZ2dnUVZ_t-nnZ2d@ptd.net...
>>>> The new For more information, The U.S. Environmental Protection
>>>> Agency has issued the following
>>>>
>>>> guidelines for safely cleaning up broken compact fluorescent
>>>> light
>>>> bulbs that contain MERCURY.
>>>>
>>>> What to do if you acciden­tally break a bulb:
>>>
>>> Way too many words. All they had to do is let you narrate a 30 second
>>> public service commercial, ending with "This could be you if you're not
>>> careful."
>> Well, the problem is that by the time you read the bulletin, you've been
>> exposed.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> I had one BURN, it burned *through* the glass, and kept glowing even
> after I turned off the power and removed the bulb.
>
> No time to go through the steps outlined, the friggin' thing was BURNING!
>
> Guess I've been exposed, eh?
>
> Think it was made in China. They're out to get us one way or another...


They are made in China. Very few, if any, are made in the US.

Jeff
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Jeff wrote:

> They are made in China. Very few, if any, are made in the US.

Man - can you imagine a worse environmental disaster in the making than
the Chinese using mercury in *ANY* manufacturing process!? Think of the
factory workers. Wonder what their groundwater is like?

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')
 >> Stay informed about: Your government at work, Fluorescent Light Bulbs 

Bill Putney wrote:
> edspyhill01.DeleteThis@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Apr 19, 4:00 pm, "Mike hunt" <mikehun....DeleteThis@lycos.com> wrote:
>>> The new For more information, The U.S. Environmental Protection
>>> Agency has issued the following
>>>
>>> guidelines for safely cleaning up broken compact fluorescent light
>>> bulbs that contain MERCURY.
>>>
>>> What to do if you acciden­tally break a bulb:
>>>
>>> Before Cleanup: VENT the Room
>>>
>>> Open a window and leave the room for 15 minutes or more.
>>>
>>> Shut OFF the central forced-air heating/air condi­tioning
>>> system, if
>>> you have one.
>>>
>>> Cleanup Steps for Carpet or rugs
>>>
>>> Wear disposable gloves, if available. Carefully scoop up glass
>>> fragments and powder using stiff paper or
>>>
>>> cardboard and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a
>>> canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
>>>
>>> Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small
>>> glass frag­ments and powder.
>>>
>>> Vacuum the area were the bulb was broken. Remove the vacuum bag or
>>> empty the canister and wash it
>>>
>>> clean. Put the bag or vacuum debris in a sealed planted bag and
>>> rewash the canister
>>>
>>> Cleanup Steps for Hard Surfaces
>>>
>>> Wear disposable gloves, if available. Carefully scoop up glass
>>> fragments and powder using stiff paper or
>>>
>>> cardboard and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a
>>> canning jar) or in a sealed plastic
>>>
>>> bag. Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any
>>> remaining
>>> small glass frag­ments and
>>>
>>> powder. Wipe the area clean with damp paper towels or
>>> dispos­able wet
>>> wipes and place them in the glass
>>>
>>> jar or plastic bag. DO NOT use a vacuum or broom to clean up the
>>> broken
>>>
>>> Disposal of Clean-up Materials
>>>
>>> Immediately place all cleanup materials, including gloves, outside the
>>> building in a trash container or out­door
>>>
>>> protected area, away from children, for the next normal trash. Wash
>>> your
>>> hands after disposing of the jars or plastic
>>>
>>> bags containing clean-up materials
>>>
>>> Future Cleaning of Carpeting or Rug:
>>>
>>> Vent the Room During and After Vacuuming
>>>
>>> For at least the next few times you vacuum, shut off the central
>>> forced-air
>>> heat­ing/air
>>>
>>> conditioning system and open a window prior to vacuuming. Keep the
>>> central
>>> heat­ing/air
>>>
>>> conditioning system shut OFF and the window open for at least 15 minutes
>>> after vacuuming is
>>>
>>> completed. For more information, visithttp://www.depweb.state.pa.us,
>>> keyword: Household
>>>
>>> Haz­ardous Waste. The Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs Fact Sheet
>>
>> You of course realize, I hope, that schools and businesses have been
>> using flourescent fixtures since the '50's? I've used the compact
>> flourescent bulbs for the past 15 years and never had one break. Even
>> have full spectrum 60 watters in each of my musicstand lights. Don't
>> use them if they scare you.
>>
>> I wonder how much mercury is in a can of tuna compared to a compact
>> flourescent bulb? Anybody know?
>
> But are we just going to be allowed to throw them in the trashcan, or
> will there eventually be some paper work that has to follow each and
> every bulb around to ensure that it is disposed of properly, with fees
> going to some organization once they are everywhere and some greeny
> makes a big deal about the mercury?

You're not supposed to throw them in the trashcan. You need to check
with your local recycling people to find out how to dispose of them.

> This is the way these things go. Something like this is
> mandated/legislated, then, after the bell is rung, the same
> environmental people behind that all of a sudden realize the "unintended
> consequences" (yeah right - they knew it all along), and - oh my gosh!!
> - there will be all kinds of studies and news articles on the crisis and
> damage being done to mother earth, and we must get emergency legislation
> thru to control this crisis. And all the savings will be out the window.

Actually, the efficiency is mandated, but not which technology to
achieve that efficiency. The same or better efficiency can be achieved
with efficient incandescent bulbs and LEDs (like the ones that light new
stop lights).

Jeff

> Bill Putney
> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> address with the letter 'x')
 >> Stay informed about: Your government at work, Fluorescent Light Bulbs 

Jeff wrote:
> Bill Putney wrote:
>> edspyhill01.DeleteThis@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Apr 19, 4:00 pm, "Mike hunt" <mikehun....DeleteThis@lycos.com> wrote:
>>>> The new For more information, The U.S. Environmental Protection
>>>> Agency has issued the following
>>>>
>>>> guidelines for safely cleaning up broken compact fluorescent
>>>> light
>>>> bulbs that contain MERCURY.
>>>>
>>>> What to do if you acciden­tally break a bulb:
>>>>
>>>> Before Cleanup: VENT the Room
>>>>
>>>> Open a window and leave the room for 15 minutes or more.
>>>>
>>>> Shut OFF the central forced-air heating/air condi­tioning
>>>> system, if
>>>> you have one.
>>>>
>>>> Cleanup Steps for Carpet or rugs
>>>>
>>>> Wear disposable gloves, if available. Carefully scoop up glass
>>>> fragments and powder using stiff paper or
>>>>
>>>> cardboard and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a
>>>> canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
>>>>
>>>> Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining
>>>> small
>>>> glass frag­ments and powder.
>>>>
>>>> Vacuum the area were the bulb was broken. Remove the vacuum
>>>> bag or
>>>> empty the canister and wash it
>>>>
>>>> clean. Put the bag or vacuum debris in a sealed planted bag and
>>>> rewash the canister
>>>>
>>>> Cleanup Steps for Hard Surfaces
>>>>
>>>> Wear disposable gloves, if available. Carefully scoop up glass
>>>> fragments and powder using stiff paper or
>>>>
>>>> cardboard and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such
>>>> as a
>>>> canning jar) or in a sealed plastic
>>>>
>>>> bag. Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any
>>>> remaining
>>>> small glass frag­ments and
>>>>
>>>> powder. Wipe the area clean with damp paper towels or
>>>> dispos­able wet
>>>> wipes and place them in the glass
>>>>
>>>> jar or plastic bag. DO NOT use a vacuum or broom to clean up the
>>>> broken
>>>>
>>>> Disposal of Clean-up Materials
>>>>
>>>> Immediately place all cleanup materials, including gloves, outside the
>>>> building in a trash container or out­door
>>>>
>>>> protected area, away from children, for the next normal trash.
>>>> Wash your
>>>> hands after disposing of the jars or plastic
>>>>
>>>> bags containing clean-up materials
>>>>
>>>> Future Cleaning of Carpeting or Rug:
>>>>
>>>> Vent the Room During and After Vacuuming
>>>>
>>>> For at least the next few times you vacuum, shut off the central
>>>> forced-air
>>>> heat­ing/air
>>>>
>>>> conditioning system and open a window prior to vacuuming. Keep the
>>>> central
>>>> heat­ing/air
>>>>
>>>> conditioning system shut OFF and the window open for at least 15
>>>> minutes
>>>> after vacuuming is
>>>>
>>>> completed. For more information, visithttp://www.depweb.state.pa.us,
>>>> keyword: Household
>>>>
>>>> Haz­ardous Waste. The Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs Fact Sheet
>>>
>>> You of course realize, I hope, that schools and businesses have been
>>> using flourescent fixtures since the '50's? I've used the compact
>>> flourescent bulbs for the past 15 years and never had one break. Even
>>> have full spectrum 60 watters in each of my musicstand lights. Don't
>>> use them if they scare you.
>>>
>>> I wonder how much mercury is in a can of tuna compared to a compact
>>> flourescent bulb? Anybody know?
>>
>> But are we just going to be allowed to throw them in the trashcan, or
>> will there eventually be some paper work that has to follow each and
>> every bulb around to ensure that it is disposed of properly, with fees
>> going to some organization once they are everywhere and some greeny
>> makes a big deal about the mercury?
>
> You're not supposed to throw them in the trashcan. You need to check
> with your local recycling people to find out how to dispose of them.

But you know what's going to happen to 99.99324797% of them when they
burn out. And eventually that will be declared an environmental crisis,
then the regulation, costs will go up, but it will be too late - no way
politically to turn back.

>> This is the way these things go. Something like this is
>> mandated/legislated, then, after the bell is rung, the same
>> environmental people behind that all of a sudden realize the
>> "unintended consequences" (yeah right - they knew it all along), and -
>> oh my gosh!! - there will be all kinds of studies and news articles on
>> the crisis and damage being done to mother earth, and we must get
>> emergency legislation thru to control this crisis. And all the
>> savings will be out the window.
>
> Actually, the efficiency is mandated, but not which technology to
> achieve that efficiency. The same or better efficiency can be achieved
> with efficient incandescent bulbs and LEDs (like the ones that light new
> stop lights).

The bill that was just signed into law mandates only the efficiency
levels, not how to achieve it? I didn't know that. But I have a
feeling the effect will be the same - production of incandescents will
be halted - the public and the manufacturers are all on board. Even if
the incandescent could compete technologically, it has the
anti-environmental stigma. Facts don't matter. It has to make people
feel good.

Bill Putney
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Bill Putney wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>> Bill Putney wrote:

<...>

>>> But are we just going to be allowed to throw them in the trashcan, or
>>> will there eventually be some paper work that has to follow each and
>>> every bulb around to ensure that it is disposed of properly, with
>>> fees going to some organization once they are everywhere and some
>>> greeny makes a big deal about the mercury?
>>
>> You're not supposed to throw them in the trashcan. You need to check
>> with your local recycling people to find out how to dispose of them.
>
> But you know what's going to happen to 99.99324797% of them when they
> burn out. And eventually that will be declared an environmental crisis,
> then the regulation, costs will go up, but it will be too late - no way
> politically to turn back.

Communities need to continue to educate people about what are hazardous
wastes (e.g., computers, TVs and other electronics, with their lead
soldier, and flourescent light bulbs, with mercury), as well as other
things that should be recycled, because how things are recycled change
from place to place. People move around and life styles slowly change.

>>> This is the way these things go. Something like this is
>>> mandated/legislated, then, after the bell is rung, the same
>>> environmental people behind that all of a sudden realize the
>>> "unintended consequences" (yeah right - they knew it all along), and
>>> - oh my gosh!! - there will be all kinds of studies and news articles
>>> on the crisis and damage being done to mother earth, and we must get
>>> emergency legislation thru to control this crisis. And all the
>>> savings will be out the window.
>>
>> Actually, the efficiency is mandated, but not which technology to
>> achieve that efficiency. The same or better efficiency can be achieved
>> with efficient incandescent bulbs and LEDs (like the ones that light
>> new stop lights).
>
> The bill that was just signed into law mandates only the efficiency
> levels, not how to achieve it? I didn't know that. But I have a
> feeling the effect will be the same - production of incandescents will
> be halted - the public and the manufacturers are all on board. Even if
> the incandescent could compete technologically, it has the
> anti-environmental stigma. Facts don't matter. It has to make people
> feel good.

However, if the bulb packaging says: Same energy efficiency as compact
fluorescent bulbs and NO MERCURY, then they will sell.


> Bill Putney
> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> address with the letter 'x')
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"Bill Putney" <bptn.DeleteThis@kinez.net> wrote in message
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> Jeff wrote:
>
>> They are made in China. Very few, if any, are made in the US.
>
> Man - can you imagine a worse environmental disaster in the making than
> the Chinese using mercury in *ANY* manufacturing process!? Think of the
> factory workers. Wonder what their groundwater is like?


Not to worry. They probably use mercury waste in their toothpaste.
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