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(Msg. 16) Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:16 pm
Post subject: Re: Probably gonna get an Odyssey... [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE RemoveThis @mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> We have a Odyssey 06 Touring model. Fine car though leather seats are a
> bit hard. Interior of Sienna reminded me of a Ford Taurus. Both are
> good cars. Read consumer reports review at library. For better handling
> get the Odyssey. For slightly softer ride get the Sienna. I would go
> with the better dealer if it was a toss up. Odyssey should be cheaper to
> take home feature for feature.
So far it is. The Sienna FWD, 7-pas XLE with the leather package is $31K
while a quote emailed to me earlier today has the 8-pas Odyssey EX-L at
27,989.
Wife likes the 8th seat in the Odyssey (as well as Honda's proven track
record with previous cars we've had) more than the electric tailgate (which
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:41 pm
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Woody wrote:
> Before you harp all the praise on the jap cars look at the 2002 Odyssey
> problems on www.odyclub.com . With their transmission, EGR, IAC valve and
> other problems they are far worse than the problems you had on the Venture.
> The reliability is no better there.
Woody, would you please do this newsgroup a favor... SHUT THE HELL UP!!!
Once again, here's a reality check for you. Honda extended warranties
and/or issued recalls for many of those issues. If you look at long-term
reliability data in Consumer Reports or just about any other source, they
will say that Odyssey is still more reliable than any big 3 minivan.
Venture (since "replaced" by Upchucker, uh, I mean Uplander) is saddled with
a V6 that is prone to the expensive-to-fix intake manifold gasket problem
that GM still refuses to acknowledge. Ford and Crapsler minivans still have
higher rates of tranny failure than the Odyssey, and they never issued
recalls or extended warranties for them.
BTW, the OP is looking at a new Odyssey. The tranny issue was resolved by
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:55 am
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The EX-L is easily the best deal in the Odyssey. I drive my elderly parents
around and I decided that I wanted power sliding doors for them (the right
decision) and rear hatches on vans get filthy fast so I wanted a power rear
door. For that you need the touring model. I regret not paying more and
gettting the rear view camera and navigation (my wife has navigation on her
accord and it is a pleasure). But the front and rear sensors are very
helpful.
"Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>> We have a Odyssey 06 Touring model. Fine car though leather seats are a
>> bit hard. Interior of Sienna reminded me of a Ford Taurus. Both are
>> good cars. Read consumer reports review at library. For better handling
>> get the Odyssey. For slightly softer ride get the Sienna. I would go
>> with the better dealer if it was a toss up. Odyssey should be cheaper to
>> take home feature for feature.
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> So far it is. The Sienna FWD, 7-pas XLE with the leather package is $31K
> while a quote emailed to me earlier today has the 8-pas Odyssey EX-L at
> 27,989.
>
> Wife likes the 8th seat in the Odyssey (as well as Honda's proven track
> record with previous cars we've had) more than the electric tailgate
> (which is included in the '07 Touring Odyssey).
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> >> Stay informed about: Probably gonna get an Odyssey... |
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:57 am
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On Feb 13, 2:59 am, "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLE....DeleteThis@mindspring.com> wrote:
> The EX-L is easily the best deal in the Odyssey. I drive my elderly parents
> around and I decided that I wanted power sliding doors for them (the right
> decision) and rear hatches on vans get filthy fast so I wanted a power rear
> door. For that you need the touring model. I regret not paying more and
> gettting the rear view camera and navigation (my wife has navigation on her
> accord and it is a pleasure). But the front and rear sensors are very
> helpful.
>
> "Seth" <seth_lermanNOS....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:%y6Ah.41$Tw5.27@newsfe08.lga...
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> > "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLE....DeleteThis@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> >news:e_0Ah.727$tD2.102@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >> We have a Odyssey 06 Touring model. Fine car though leather seats are a
> >> bit hard. Interior of Sienna reminded me of a Ford Taurus. Both are
> >> good cars. Read consumer reports review at library. For better handling
> >> get the Odyssey. For slightly softer ride get the Sienna. I would go
> >> with the better dealer if it was a toss up. Odyssey should be cheaper to
> >> take home feature for feature.
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> > So far it is. The Sienna FWD, 7-pas XLE with the leather package is $31K
> > while a quote emailed to me earlier today has the 8-pas Odyssey EX-L at
> > 27,989.
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> > Wife likes the 8th seat in the Odyssey (as well as Honda's proven track
> > record with previous cars we've had) more than the electric tailgate
> > (which is included in the '07 Touring Odyssey).- Hide quoted text -
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Avoid the Mercedes. There reliability is horrible. Good tranny and
motor, but the electronics are straight out of the garbage. >> Stay informed about: Probably gonna get an Odyssey... |
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:41 am
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Wow, tough choices --
I'm not much of a fan of the Sienna, but it's not a bad car. The
Mercedes is VERY nice and is a really cool car, but their reliability
can't match the Toyota or the Honda. But as Seth put it above, it
should last for 27 months. Keep in mind though, this means you'll have
to buy another car in a little over two years, so if you're in this
for the long run, the Mercedes probably wouldn't be your best choice.
Overall, I'd take the Honda. I find it more comfortable, it's larger,
and it'll fit eight passengers. That should be a good plus for your
wife, especially if you have kids. Plus, it sounds like it's cheaper.
Good luck! Overall, any of the three you choose will serve you well,
it's just down to details now... >> Stay informed about: Probably gonna get an Odyssey... |
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:54 am
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:55 am
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:20 pm
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Well, what's done is done!
Got some Internet pricing from other dealers and went to my dealer (bringing
the wife and kids) so I could actually drive it and the kids could sit in it
(not that they were going to be part of the decision making).
He came down to $28,150 and $5000 on my trade-in for a net of $23,150. The
number I had in my head going in was 23,500, so I'm pleased. Going rate for
my old van on eBay is $4000 to $5600, we had high mileage. Now I don't have
to spend $100 having it detailed prior to auction, don't have to pay eBay
fees and I pay less sales tax (8.25%) on my new vehicle as here in NY they
only tax the net.
We're now a dual-Honda family. >> Stay informed about: Probably gonna get an Odyssey... |
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:20 pm
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop DeleteThis @nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
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> In article <%y6Ah.41$Tw5.27@newsfe08.lga>,
> "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> Wife likes the 8th seat in the Odyssey (as well as Honda's proven track
>> record with previous cars we've had) more than the electric tailgate
>> (which
>> is included in the '07 Touring Odyssey).
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> I want an electric tailgate, but I absolutely WILL NOT suffer with
> run-flat tires--which is all the US Touring model is equipped with.
Because of the high cost of tire replacement? Or some other reason?
> If I really wanted a new Touring, I might seek out a Canadian model.
> >> Stay informed about: Probably gonna get an Odyssey... |
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:22 pm
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"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> The EX-L is easily the best deal in the Odyssey. I drive my elderly
> parents around and I decided that I wanted power sliding doors for them
> (the right decision) and rear hatches on vans get filthy fast so I wanted
> a power rear door. For that you need the touring model. I regret not
> paying more and gettting the rear view camera and navigation (my wife has
> navigation on her accord and it is a pleasure). But the front and rear
> sensors are very helpful.
We both have dash-top Garmin units. I actually like the Garmin nav better
than all others. Power tailgate and rear camera would be nice, but not
needed. I'll buy an after-market backup sensor that actually speaks
distance remaining to object for under $200 and put it in myself. >> Stay informed about: Probably gonna get an Odyssey... |
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:45 pm
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Seth wrote:
> Been looking to get the wife a new minivan. Her '02 Venture WB-Edition I no
> longer trust. 2 weeks ago needed the intake manifold repaired, now last
> week the AWD stopped working. Initially they said needed a new rear diff.
> to the tune of $3000. Told them to forget it. Later on, after they did
> some more research, found some other tech articles suggesting just replacing
> the AWD pump in the diff would do the trick. That was only $250 ($170 for
> part plus labor). Went ahead with that gamble merely to keep it in as good
> a shape as possible till we decide upon it's replacement.
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> It's not an issue of the dealer. I've dealt with them for many years on
> prior vehicles and they've always been straight. It's I just don't trust
> the vehicle any longer. Only has 96000 miles on it and seems like it is
> falling apart.
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> 3 vehicles we are looking at are the '07 Odyssey EX-L, the '07 Sienna XLE
> with Package #3, or the MB R350 (my uncle works for them and can get me a
> sweet lease even with a 20000 mile a year allowance.
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> I haven't driven the Odyssey yet, but my wife went and drove it Thursday.
> Today we both tried out the Sienna. Very nice. My wife liked the drive
> better than the Odyssey. But the Sienna, in the XLE level, only comes 7
> passenger. So that issue, and the 175,000 nearly trouble free miles on my
> '01 Accord V6 EX-L has her leaning that way. Dealer is offering it to us
> for $29,438, so we're pretty happy with that. Gonna see if I can work him
> a little further and/or see what I can get out of him on our trade-in
> (haven't even mentioned trade to dealer yet).
>
> Ok, lots of irrelevant history out of the way...Just wanted to get that data
> out there in case anybody else is currently comparing the same vehicles.
>
> Any finance deals or incentives either rumored or confirmed in the upcoming
> week or 2? Hoping there may be some rebates or financing incentives for the
> upcoming President's day weekend.
>
I bought an Odyssey (still can't spell it) in Nov and just got back from
several thousand miles to FL. I LOVE it, may be the best all-around
vehicle I've ever owned.
Baseline: previous car was 84 BMW 528e that I had owned for 20 years.
....BOb >> Stay informed about: Probably gonna get an Odyssey... |
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:47 pm
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SMS wrote:
> Seth wrote:
>> Dealer is offering it to us for $29,438, so we're pretty happy with
>> that.
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> That's about right if it's for the EX-L with the DVD, and a good deal if
> it's for the EX-L with the DVD + navigation, but it's about $1000 high
> for the plain EX-L.
Mine was plain EX-L for 28500. Basically the dealer invoice according to
Consumer Reports. >> Stay informed about: Probably gonna get an Odyssey... |
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:56 am
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Seth wrote:
> Been looking to get the wife a new minivan. Her '02 Venture WB-Edition I no
> longer trust.
Get rid of that thing. Our '02 Olds Silhoette (same van) started to
become very trouble prone not long after getting out of warranty. To
all the GM PR flaks who blame "perception" and "media bias" for their
rotten image I say ... just have a look at your own records of V-6
intake manifold gasket failures and high failure rates for almost
everything to do with the "U" minivans to see why so many former
customers joined the Never Again Club.
The three vans worth serious consideration today are the Toyota, Honda
and Hyundai/Kia.
John >> Stay informed about: Probably gonna get an Odyssey... |
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:56 am
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"John Horner" <jthorner.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Seth wrote:
>> Been looking to get the wife a new minivan. Her '02 Venture WB-Edition I
>> no longer trust.
>
> Get rid of that thing.
Done. Picked up the EX-L in Ocean Mist yesterday. >> Stay informed about: Probably gonna get an Odyssey... |
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:55 pm
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Woody wrote:
> But he is comparing it to a 2002. The problems he had then are also fixed in
> the 07 GM cars. The 07 Odyssey hasn't been out long enough to say the
> problems are fixed....
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GM's minivans still stink, enough so that they are about to be killed
off all together by the General. >> Stay informed about: Probably gonna get an Odyssey... |
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