Can't shift

"Pat" <just_a_ghost DeleteThis @in_this_house.com> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote
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> | "Pat" <just_a_ghost DeleteThis @in_this_house.com> wrote
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> | > I really am an excellent driver. That's gotta count for something!
>
> | Okay, but can you shift without using the clutch?
>
> Never tried before. Having someone show me would help but I might figure
> it
> out on my own.
>
> Haven't had time to find my bottle of brake fluid and check the MC
> reservoir
> yet. Will do as soon as I can.
>
>

Didn't you describe a radical change to the operation of the pedal? If so,
the fluid is not the problem.

The fluid could be a problem, that is clear. But if the clutch worked okay,
made a clunk, then stopped working okay, this would not be a symptom that
fluid will address. That is, you may fill the reservior and still find the
clutch works poorly.






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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote

| Didn't you describe a radical change to the operation of the pedal? If so,
| the fluid is not the problem.

It got much softer to push in and the car moves sooner as you let off the
clutch.

| The fluid could be a problem, that is clear. But if the clutch worked
okay,
| made a clunk, then stopped working okay, this would not be a symptom that
| fluid will address. That is, you may fill the reservior and still find the
| clutch works poorly.

I didn't hear any "clunk" sound. I would have noticed that.
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Pat wrote:
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote
> | Hachiroku ???? wrote:
> | > On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:31:28 -0500, Pat wrote:
> | >
> | >> | Also, if the fluid is black and brackish, it may serve you well to
> bleed
> | >> | both the brakes and the clutch systems and get that old fluid out of
> | >> | there. That may (if you're lucky) be the extent of your problem.
> | >>
> | >> The fluid is perfectly clear. I topped it off and then wale to shift
> | >> easily, but the clutch is still too soft.
> | >
> | >
> | > OK! This is actually pretty easy then. Bleed the clutch system according
> | > to the service manual and keep an eye on the tank.
> |
> | Who told you that it was the fluid level? Well, not me. But this is
> | great news! I am glad.
> |
> | The moral of the story: Always check the simple things first, even if
> | you think that they are not the problem.
>
> My original message said "... and then was able to shift..."
> Somehow when quoted it says "...and then wale to shift..."
>
> Note that I qualified the statement with a comment about the clutch. So it
> may not be quite so simple. Unless "bleeding" the system will take care of
> that???

Do one thing at a time. Try bleeding the system, and see what happens.

Jeff
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:44:18 +0000, Jeff wrote:

>>> The fluid is perfectly clear. I topped it off and then wale to shift
>>> easily, but the clutch is still too soft.
>>
>>
>> OK! This is actually pretty easy then. Bleed the clutch system according
>> to the service manual and keep an eye on the tank.
>
> Who told you that it was the fluid level? Well, not me. But this is great
> news! I am glad.


He ain't out of the woods yet. If the fluid level was low, then air may
have gotten into the system. The trouble is, it seems on this vehicle this
is also the brake reservoir.

So unless the clutch grabs the fluid at a higher level on the tank than
the brake cylinder, there's something else going on. If the clutch does
indeed grab fluid at a higher level, and the pedal is still mushy, the
system will have to be bled. But I think he still needs to keep an eye on
the level, and still have someone look underneath while pumping the pedal.
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Pat wrote:

> Haven't had time to find my bottle of brake fluid...

Does that mean that it has some age on it and has previously been
opened? If so, you might ought to toss it and buy a new can. Once a
can is opened, it is advisable to not keep it for more than a few weeks
due to it possibly absorbing moisture. For that reason, if you are a
casual user (topping off once in a blue moon), only buy small cans -
don't try saving money by buying the "large economy size".

Bill Putney
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"Bill Putney" <bptn.DeleteThis@kinez.net> wrote

| Pat wrote:
|
| > Haven't had time to find my bottle of brake fluid...
|
| Does that mean that it has some age on it and has previously been
| opened? If so, you might ought to toss it and buy a new can. Once a
| can is opened, it is advisable to not keep it for more than a few weeks
| due to it possibly absorbing moisture. For that reason, if you are a
| casual user (topping off once in a blue moon), only buy small cans -
| don't try saving money by buying the "large economy size".

It was a small, unopened bottle.

Thanks, Bill, for your concern and advice.
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Pat wrote:
> "Bill Putney" <bptn.RemoveThis@kinez.net> wrote
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> | Pat wrote:
> |
> | > Haven't had time to find my bottle of brake fluid...
> |
> | Does that mean that it has some age on it and has previously been
> | opened? If so, you might ought to toss it and buy a new can. Once a
> | can is opened, it is advisable to not keep it for more than a few weeks
> | due to it possibly absorbing moisture. For that reason, if you are a
> | casual user (topping off once in a blue moon), only buy small cans -
> | don't try saving money by buying the "large economy size".
>
> It was a small, unopened bottle.
>
> Thanks, Bill, for your concern and advice.

You're welcome.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')
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