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Since: Jul 05, 2004 Posts: 17
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:23 pm
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All you need to do is what is in the manual. The vast majority of
things in there are cheap. .
My 97 accord requires a new timing belt at every 90K which is a
relatively expensive service. What does your service manual say? Is
yours due?
In terms of checking your brakes, that ought to be done when they
rotate your wheels. Thats because you need your tires rotated every
so often and its cheap to check when the tires are off the car. Just
takes a second!
$400 to check everything is rediculous! If you go through with it do
a test. Mark some part (like the wheels nuts or something) with chalk
in such a way that you can tell if they did the work (like took off
the wheels to check the brakes) or whatever.
Hey - I know some one who bought a very nice used accord from a new
car dealer. They told him that his tires needed balanced. He looked
at the rear tires and noted that there were no balance weights on the
rims. He had the new car dealer do the service and guess what. There
were no weights in the rear wheels. They never balanced them. Then
he gets into a long discussion with the service rep and he says that
long list of stuff that they say they do only means that they check it
and do it only if it is needed. Mind you though - every tire needs to
be balanced. Can you believe that. The #$@## new car dealer charge
an #$#@@ and a limb and then they don't even do the work that they
say they would do.
Heres another. Per my factory service manual when you change the
radiator fluid, the manual says to remove one or two bolts on the the
engine block. What happens is that when you drane the radiator fluid
through the drane cock at the bottom of the raidiator, there is a some
fluid that remains trapped in the engine block (a sort of low spot).
By removing the bolt, the trapped fluid dranes out the side of teh
engine. So I go back asking some of there service mechanics back at a
different honda dealer and they say the never (yep never) remove that
bolt. All they do is open the drain plug on the bottom of the radiator
and then put in new. Now its probably not a big deal because just a
little bit is left but gosh you would think it would be done right if
your paying the big bucks. By the way - replacing your own radiator
fluid is very easy to do (assuming you dont remove those 2 bolts). >> Stay informed about: 2001 Accord maintenance question / concern ... |
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Since: Jul 05, 2004 Posts: 17
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:20 am
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On 31 Mar 2005 23:12:06 -0800, "Auto Inspector"
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>can tell you that ANY aftermarket warranty is likely to be money thrown
>away. OEM warranty is different but there are many little things that
>need to be taken into consideration. For a basic well built (!!!) car
I once had one. I used it on a minor repair. I remember having to
leave my car at the shoppe an extra 4 hours because the mechanic had
to fuss around getting authorization to do some service.
Thinking about all that is involved it has to be expensive. The
price of the insurance includes the following:
a) Actuaries salary to analyze the risk to the insurance company
b) Salaries of individuals needed to honor claims and to
detect/prevent fraudulant claims.
c) Buildings / employee insurance to pay and house all those employees
d) Oh - yeah need some money from which to pay claims.
I am curious - when you analyze a car and come up with a conclusion
that the car has not been properly maintained: Are you paid per hour
or are you paid a fixed sum? How does that rate compare to the labor
rate they will pay for the actual repair?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: 2001 Accord maintenance question / concern ... |
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Since: Jul 19, 2004 Posts: 3
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:03 am
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Auto Inspector wrote:
> if it breaks you will not only enjoy a tow truck ride but also it may
> cause damage to valves and possibly head and pistons. Now, if the
> dealer quoted $400 for this work, it's very reasonable, otherwise they
> are crooks.
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.anti-lemon.com</font" target="_blank">www.anti-lemon.com</font</a>>
The OP said 96,000 *KM*, not miles. He still has another 50,000 KM (or 2
years) before it's time to replace the timing belt.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: 2001 Accord maintenance question / concern ... |
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Since: Jan 29, 2004 Posts: 104
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:23 am
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I have a folder with receipts for the oil, filter, etc. I keep very good
records. This is ALL that is required by law.
G-Man
"Pepper" wrote in message
> Just wondering, if you do all the maintenance work yourself, how do you
> prove to Honda that the vehicle was maintained if you have a warranty
> issue?
>>I don't take it to the dealer unless it's Warranty work. Sorry, just too
>>much markup. I have a trusted mechanic at AAMCO who was a Honda mechanic
>>for years. Most of the maintenance I do myself, but Timing Belt and Water
>>Pump I leave up to them.
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>> If you have Pollen Filters, they are a pain, but I can send you the
>> instructions if you need it.
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>> G-Man
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>>> I drive a 2001 4cyl Honda Accord sedan. I just hit 96,000km, and went to
>>> the dealership to find out what needs to be done. I was told my car
>>> needs a type 4 maintenance (~400$) + trans fluid change (more $$$ on top
>>> of it).
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>>> I was shocked to find out that type 4 is nothing more than a 3 hour
>>> inspection! All they change is the oil, oil filter, air filter, and if
>>> applicable, air purifier filter. For 400$ they don't even replace the
>>> spark plugs!!! WHAT A RIP OFF!
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>>> So what am I to do? I had my brakes serviced ~20K ago, and I just put on
>>> a set of new tires. Do you folks think that if I just get the trans
>>> fluid changed and oil changed, + buy the air filter and replace it
>>> myself would be good enough for a 96K service ??
>>>
>>> What would you do if you were in my shoes ?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
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Since: Dec 08, 2004 Posts: 18
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:09 am
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On 3/31/05 11:55 PM, in article
1112334927.426579.121150 DeleteThis @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, "Auto Inspector"
wrote:
> if it breaks you will not only enjoy a tow truck ride but also it may
> cause damage to valves and possibly head and pistons. Now, if the
> dealer quoted $400 for this work, it's very reasonable, otherwise they
> are crooks.
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.anti-lemon.com</font" target="_blank">www.anti-lemon.com</font</a>>
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I believe the timing belt interval on this car is 105,000 miles for normal
usage and 60,000 for severe.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: 2001 Accord maintenance question / concern ... |
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Since: Mar 23, 2005 Posts: 30
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:10 pm
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Leon Kiriliuk wrote:
> I was shocked to find out that type 4 is nothing more than a 3 hour
> inspection! All they change is the oil, oil filter, air filter, and
if
> applicable, air purifier filter. For 400$ they don't even replace the
spark
> plugs!!! WHAT A RIP OFF!
Yup. At least you asked them what you're getting for $400. Most people
I know just take it to the dealer blindly and let them do all kinds of
unnecessary servicing. The parts at a dealership are marked far above
list price (which is far above invoice).<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: 2001 Accord maintenance question / concern ... |
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Since: Mar 23, 2005 Posts: 30
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:17 pm
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Michael Pardee wrote:
> Marty showed them the receipts for the
> oil but they said it didn't prove the oil went into the truck, or if
so,
> when.
Well, that would apply to dealer receipts as well. If you change your
oil at the dealer, and you got a receipt saying that they changed your
oil, that doesn't prove that they actually did.
Therefore, changing oil yourself and keeping receipts is as valid as
having them done at the dealership.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: 2001 Accord maintenance question / concern ... |
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Since: Jul 05, 2004 Posts: 17
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:09 pm
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 08:09:41 -0600, "E. Meyer"
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>I believe the timing belt interval on this car is 105,000 miles for normal
>usage and 60,000 for severe.
Ya - your probably right! I knew it was in there somewhere. Whatever
it was I did it at that time.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: 2001 Accord maintenance question / concern ... |
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Since: Mar 31, 2005 Posts: 8
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:53 pm
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They pay a fixed amount for each inspection. 99% of extended warranty
companies use outside agencies who get paid $90-$100 per inspection
while the inspector gets anywhere between $50 and $60 - not a bad mark
up for placing a call or sending an email, don't you think? Usually, an
inspection takes about 45 minutes but with driving to and from the site
- it's not that much especially considering chimp's acheivements in gas
prices...
Why do they - the companies - pay to the agencies is obvious - they try
to seperate themselves from the inspection as much as possible. Some -
actually not many - companies push inspectors into giving them a reason
to deny a claim, sometimes they quit using inspectors if their claims
are paid too often... normal insurance co "business" practices. >> Stay informed about: 2001 Accord maintenance question / concern ... |
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Since: Mar 31, 2005 Posts: 8
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:53 pm
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They pay a fixed amount for each inspection. 99% of extended warranty
companies use outside agencies who get paid $90-$100 per inspection
while the inspector gets anywhere between $50 and $60 - not a bad mark
up for placing a call or sending an email, don't you think? Usually, an
inspection takes about 45 minutes but with driving to and from the site
- it's not that much especially considering chimp's acheivements in gas
prices...
Why do they - the companies - pay to the agencies is obvious - they try
to separate themselves from the inspection as much as possible. Some -
actually not many - companies push inspectors into giving them a reason
to deny a claim, sometimes they quit using inspectors if their claims
are paid too often... normal insurance co "business" practices. >> Stay informed about: 2001 Accord maintenance question / concern ... |
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Since: Mar 31, 2005 Posts: 8
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:00 pm
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It's interesting how they play the numbers. Up until 1996 or so t/belt
replacement was required @ 60,000 miles. Then, they increased interval
to 90,000 (mi!) for the same engine, and it's a perfectly legit thing
to do since Honda belts come out like new after 60K, and I've never
heard or seen a broken belt unless the engine has ciesed due to lack of
lubrication. Dont' try this with Mitsubishi or any European
masterpiece! Actually, don't try this with anything other than Honda. >> Stay informed about: 2001 Accord maintenance question / concern ... |
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:01 pm
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