A floor jack's STEEL WHEELS

in2-dadark wrote:
>
> Again, moron, the type of coolant will not cause oil to leak into
> your coolant or vise versa...If you don't know what you're talking
> about STF up...
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The U.S. Courts disagree with you.

By the way, name-calling again. My, what does that suggest?

You and Steve (not to be confused with the pleasant "Steve W." who
is a smart gentleman) may not be familiar with the lawsuits
involving GM's special coolant called DEX-COOL.

I invite your tiny and hostile mind to read Wikipedia's entry
on antifreeze, from which the following is excerpted:

"According to the DEX-COOL manufacturer, mixing a green coolant
with DEX-COOL reduces the batch�s change interval to 2 years or
30,000 miles [from its normal 5 year life], but will otherwise
cause no damage to the engine."

"DEX-COOL specifically has caused controversy. It is casually
linked with intake manifold gasket failures in GM's 3.1L and 3.4L
engines and with other failures in 4.3L engines. Class action
lawsuits
were registered in several states, and in Canada, to address some
of these claims. The first of these to reach a decision was in
Missouri where a settlement was announced early in December, 2007.
Late in March 2008, GM agreed to compensate complainants in the
remaining 49 states.

"Typically OAT [organic acid technology] antifreeze contains a red
or pink dye to differentiate it from the conventional glycol-based
coolants (blue or green). Some of the newer OAT coolants claim to
be compatible with all types of OAT and glycol-based coolants; these
are typically green or yellow in color."
[End of quotes]

So you see, even though color normally doesn't make any difference
at all, with coolants, color conveys important information.

Otherwise, I wouldn't care what color my coolant was or what
religious tendencies it had, because I like coolants of all
colors and religions

But I don't like rude coolants.
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I quoted what you said (again) below. Again, moron, the type of coolant
will not cause oil to leak into your coolant or vise versa...If you
don't know what you're talking about STF up...


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"Well, just a short matter of weeks or months later, the green coolant
in the overflow bottle/reservoir began turning black and the volume
diminished a whole lot. I guess oil started leaking into the coolant
system, since Jiffy Lube put in the wrong type of coolant. And coolant
was probably leaking into the oil, but I didn't know what a UOA (Used
Oil Analysis) was back then, so I never got a UOA.
Anyway, at the time, I didn't realize what the cause was, because I
wasn't really interested in learning about cars back then. But I did
bring the Tercel back to Jippy Loob just to guage the fellas facial
expressions and reaction when I opened the hood. I figured if the
culprit was the green coolant he used (in place of the pink), he might
say something.
Well, he didn't say anthing and wore a Poker face. The fella was a
30-something manager there, too, not some kid out of high school.
The coolant system was never the same again. Driving around town, the
dash's temperature gauge forever-after always showed a higher arrow
reading than it did before Jiffy Lube got their hands on my car. The
coolant temp gauge's arrow wasn't in the red, but the arrow would come
to stop at a level higher than it ever used to--big difference in arrow
readings. The engine's operating temperature was running hotter than it
needed to, increasing engine wear I'm sure."
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Steve wrote:
> Built_Well wrote:
> > In2-dadark wrote:
> >> Again, moron, the type of coolant will not cause oil to leak into
> >> your coolant or vise versa...If you don't know what you're talking
> >> about STF up...
> > ========
> >
> > The U.S. Courts disagree with you.
> >
> > By the way, name-calling again. My, what does that suggest?
> >
> > You and Steve (not to be confused with the pleasant "Steve W." who
> > is a smart gentleman) may not be familiar with the lawsuits
> > involving GM's special coolant called DEX-COOL.
> #############
>
> I assume the troll is talking about me. Good to be on its hate-list
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I'm not trolling by posting in rec.autos.tech with this subject.
If I am, please explain how.

Steve and In2-dadark, you two (like Mark A.) are just
anti-Christian, which is sad.

I treat all religions equally, but you guys are just haters. Very
sad.
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Built_Well wrote:
> in2-dadark wrote:
>> Again, moron, the type of coolant will not cause oil to leak into
>> your coolant or vise versa...If you don't know what you're talking
>> about STF up...
> ========
>
> The U.S. Courts disagree with you.
>
> By the way, name-calling again. My, what does that suggest?
>
> You and Steve (not to be confused with the pleasant "Steve W." who
> is a smart gentleman) may not be familiar with the lawsuits
> involving GM's special coolant called DEX-COOL.


I assume the troll is talking about me. Good to be on its hate-list.


But this time, the troll is actually right (at least in part). DexCool
(and all the other OAT- organic acid technology- coolants) caused a
whole lot of problems. They differ from G-05 HOAT (hybrid organic acid
technology) coolant used by Chrysler, Ford, Caterpiller, Mercedes, BMW,
and others) in that they lack ANY silicates at all. HOATS contain a
greatly reduced silicate package, but still have some. What seems to
happen is that particular metals in the cooling system become subject to
very aggressive corrosion with pure OAT coolants. Often the metals in
question are found in head gasket and manifold gasket materials, so that
these become failure points. Also there seems to be a tendency for OAT
(or at least the DexCool variant) to do Very Bad Things when it begins
to mix with engine oil. All coolants form solids when they mix with oil
at high temperatures, but DexCool seems particularly bad. GM had an
interesting rash of failures with the small Chevy v6 family due to a
combination of factors. First, that engine had a particularly weak
intake manifold sealing design that was prone to leak. Second, it was
filled with DexCool, and third, it had a lightweight hollow tubular
camshaft with assembled lobes. The result was that when the grit from
DexCool/oil mixture would get into the cam bearings, they would seize
and snap the tubular camshaft in two.
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O'Reilly Auto Parts has a deal right now where you can get
Pennzoil Platinum for $3 per quart after rebate. Mobil 1 is on
sale there for $5/quart.

Harbor Freight has a nifty, low-profile, 300-pound-rated, 6-wheel,
PVC mechanics creeper with foam-padded head rest and tool-holding
spots for $22 on sale. The exact same China-made creeper at
Autozone runs $40, but it has "Duralast" emblazoned across it.
It's AutoZone's top-of-the-line mechanic's creeper. I bought this
great creeper from Harbor Freight the other night, along with
a third oil drain pan for $2 that Walmart sells for $6. Sales end
soon.

Almost forgot to mention that you may need to use a coupon to get
that great price on the Harbor Freight creeper. Get on their
mailing list and they'll send you a newspaper every so often loaded
with coupons. This creeper, much better than my old one, rang up at
regular price at checkout, so I had to give them the coupon to get
the great price.

Get on everyone's mailing list! -- O'Reilly, AutoZone, Napa,
Advance
Auto, Pep Boys, etc, and post the deals you find here. We can all
coordinate to save hundreds of dollars a year!

For a week now, I keep smelling something bad when I walk by
a particular spot at home. It's really not a spot, but a large
7-foot by 7-foot area. I think yesterday I figured out what it may
be: A small rubber mallet I bought at Harbor Freight. It seems
like those rubber mallets can out-gas a whole, whole lot of
bad-smelling rubber....unless I'm mistaking where the odor is
coming from. I'm getting rid of that rubber mallet, I think.
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Built_Well wrote:
> O'Reilly Auto Parts has a deal right now where you can get
> Pennzoil Platinum for $3 per quart after rebate. Mobil 1 is on
> sale there for $5/quart.
>
> Harbor Freight has a nifty, low-profile, 300-pound-rated, 6-wheel,
> PVC mechanics creeper with foam-padded head rest and tool-holding
> spots for $22 on sale. The exact same China-made creeper at
> Autozone runs $40, but it has "Duralast" emblazoned across it.
> It's AutoZone's top-of-the-line mechanic's creeper. I bought this
> great creeper from Harbor Freight the other night, along with
> a third oil drain pan for $2 that Walmart sells for $6. Sales end
> soon.
>
> Almost forgot to mention that you may need to use a coupon to get
> that great price on the Harbor Freight creeper. Get on their
> mailing list and they'll send you a newspaper every so often loaded
> with coupons. This creeper, much better than my old one, rang up at
> regular price at checkout, so I had to give them the coupon to get
> the great price.
>
> Get on everyone's mailing list! -- O'Reilly, AutoZone, Napa,
> Advance
> Auto, Pep Boys, etc, and post the deals you find here. We can all
> coordinate to save hundreds of dollars a year!
>
> For a week now, I keep smelling something bad when I walk by
> a particular spot at home. It's really not a spot, but a large
> 7-foot by 7-foot area. I think yesterday I figured out what it may
> be: A small rubber mallet I bought at Harbor Freight. It seems
> like those rubber mallets can out-gas a whole, whole lot of
> bad-smelling rubber....unless I'm mistaking where the odor is
> coming from. I'm getting rid of that rubber mallet, I think.

Most of the HF rubber items carry a nasty odor. I was told that it is
the bug/critter killer they treat the crates of product with for
shipping. I kind of doubt it but who knows.



--
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York

Life is not like a box of chocolates
it's more like a jar of jalapenos-
what you do today could burn your ass tomorrow!
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"Built_Well" wrote :

O'Reilly Auto Parts Deals: Pennzoil Platinum $3 per quart
after rebate. Mobil 1 is on sale there for $5/quart.

Harbor Freight Deals: Low-profile, 300-pound-rated, PVC
China-made 6-wheel, mechanics creeper with foam-padded
head rest and tool-holding spots for $22 on sale. It's the
same as AutoZone's $40 "Duralast" creeper. Oil drain
pan $2, same pan Wal-mart sells for $6. Sales end soon.

You may need a coupon to get these great prices. Get on
everyone's mailing list. -- O'Reilly, Harbor Freight, AutoZone,
Napa, Advance Auto, Pep Boys, etc, for sale flyers loaded
with coupons, and post the deals you find here. We can
coordinate to save hundreds of dollars a year.
_________________________________________________

That's a great idea. Thanks for the tips. I will post
unusually good deals that I come across.

Rodan.
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Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
>
> Best and easiest to obtain material for a floor protector is
> 1/4" tempered hardboard - basically pegboard without the
> holes. Available at almost any good lumber yard or home center.
>
> The 1/8" thickness will fall apart too fast.
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I found some of the hardboard (hole-less pegboard) at Lowe's
last night. But instead of 1/4-inch, it's 3/16-inch, right
in between 1/8" and 1/4". I'll probably check Home Depot.
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I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong. I stand corrected. But I
still say the green stuff tastes better..
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:17:32 -0700 (PDT), Built_Well wrote:
>Bruce L. Bergman wrote:

>> Best and easiest to obtain material for a floor protector is
>> 1/4" tempered hardboard - basically pegboard without the
>> holes. Available at almost any good lumber yard or home center.
>>
>> The 1/8" thickness will fall apart too fast.
>
>I found some of the hardboard (hole-less pegboard) at Lowe's
>last night. But instead of 1/4-inch, it's 3/16-inch, right
>in between 1/8" and 1/4". I'll probably check Home Depot.

That might be thick enough to hold up. The only way to know for
sure is to try it - if it shreds, then you need the thicker stuff...

But I wouldn't bother using it with a regular floor jack on your own
garage floor slab - even though the sight of the concrete dust might
be unsettling the amount of actual damage is miniscule, and it would
take decades of working on cars daily in the same places to see any
real consequences.

If it does enough damage to be seen in one or two uses you've got
bigger problems - like substandard concrete used for the slab, or they
didn't seal and cure it properly and now it's spalling.

The only time we ever bother putting down hardboard on the floors is
working on a building and they already have finished the floors
(tiled, carpeted or painted) with steel wheel or very heavy implements
like manlifts.

Even dropping a hammer or a conduit bender can cause thousands in
damage to a tile floor if they have to redo large sections. Of course
it could happen even through the hardboard, but you can show that you
took reasonable and prudent precautions.

--<< Bruce >>--
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