Is flat key/emergency key a Master Key? ES300 2002

This key is meant to be kept in a wallet or purse as an emergency spare. The
holder it comes in has transponder chip needed to unlock your system. You
put the key in and slide the card towards the key until the alarm
indicicator light goes out. The car will then start.

"opto" <amarjit3333 DeleteThis @optonline.net> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
> I just bought a used ES300 - 2002. Both the remote keys didn't come with
it.
> I have a valet key and the flat key.
>
> Apparently, if flat key is a master key then I can buy an OEM key, have it
> cut and then program the new key to work with my car. Programming sequence
> involves use of one of the master keys.
>
> Dealer cost for new key is $250. From third party, I can get it for about
> $90.
>
> Any ideas will be helpful.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> AJ
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Is flat key/emergency key a Master Key? ES300 2002 

Much appreciate the information.

I need to program a new key for which I need a "master" key. The manual
clearly specifies that the two keys (remote) I don't have are master keys.
The grey key is NOT "master" key. The flat/emergency key - manual doesn't
specify if it is a "master" key or not.

Anybody know the answer to that? (I called the dealership and got
conflicting answers).

Thanks.

AJ

"Ice" <iceplanet2 DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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> This key is meant to be kept in a wallet or purse as an emergency spare.
> The
> holder it comes in has transponder chip needed to unlock your system.
> You
> put the key in and slide the card towards the key until the alarm
> indicicator light goes out. The car will then start.
>
> "opto" <amarjit3333 DeleteThis @optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:E2Nyi.359$ap2.168@newsfe12.lga...
>> Hi all,
>> I just bought a used ES300 - 2002. Both the remote keys didn't come with
> it.
>> I have a valet key and the flat key.
>>
>> Apparently, if flat key is a master key then I can buy an OEM key, have
>> it
>> cut and then program the new key to work with my car. Programming
>> sequence
>> involves use of one of the master keys.
>>
>> Dealer cost for new key is $250. From third party, I can get it for about
>> $90.
>>
>> Any ideas will be helpful.
>>
>> Many thanks in advance.
>>
>> AJ
>>
>>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Is flat key/emergency key a Master Key? ES300 2002 

"opto" <amarjit3333.RemoveThis@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> Much appreciate the information.
>
> I need to program a new key for which I need a "master" key. The manual
> clearly specifies that the two keys (remote) I don't have are master keys.
> The grey key is NOT "master" key. The flat/emergency key - manual doesn't
> specify if it is a "master" key or not.
>
> Anybody know the answer to that? (I called the dealership and got
> conflicting answers).
>
> Thanks.
>
> AJ
>

Yes, the flat key is a master key. To check for yourself, see if it opens
the trunk, glovebox, and trunk release lock in the dashboard. If it does,
it is a master key. If it does not, it is a valet key.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
 >> Stay informed about: Is flat key/emergency key a Master Key? ES300 2002 

Acording to the manual that the flat key will open every lock . However you
must have the key case with the enclosed chip as well to make your duplicate
so it can be read when starting the engine .


"opto" <amarjit3333.RemoveThis@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:E2Nyi.359$ap2.168@newsfe12.lga...
> Hi all,
> I just bought a used ES300 - 2002. Both the remote keys didn't come with
it.
> I have a valet key and the flat key.
>
> Apparently, if flat key is a master key then I can buy an OEM key, have it
> cut and then program the new key to work with my car. Programming sequence
> involves use of one of the master keys.
>
> Dealer cost for new key is $250. From third party, I can get it for about
> $90.
>
> Any ideas will be helpful.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> AJ
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Is flat key/emergency key a Master Key? ES300 2002 

This just in from the seller of the car who was able to talk to Master
Mechanic at a local dealership.

Flat key opens all locks.
Flat key can start the car ONLY if the plastic part is near the key as the
last poster said.

Flat key is NOT Master key however.

Which means that I don't have a master key.

Good news is that year 2002 and later cars don't require a $1200 ECM reset
job from the dealership to create a new Master key. It only costs $115 now.
Key itself costs $250.

So, in short, if I had a master key and wanted another Master key with
remote, it would cost me $250. Without a master key, it costs additional
$115.

AJ

"Ice" <iceplanet2 DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
news:UqadnaAM2aHhFlLbnZ2dnUVZ_tSknZ2d@giganews.com...
> Acording to the manual that the flat key will open every lock . However
> you
> must have the key case with the enclosed chip as well to make your
> duplicate
> so it can be read when starting the engine .
>
>
> "opto" <amarjit3333 DeleteThis @optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:E2Nyi.359$ap2.168@newsfe12.lga...
>> Hi all,
>> I just bought a used ES300 - 2002. Both the remote keys didn't come with
> it.
>> I have a valet key and the flat key.
>>
>> Apparently, if flat key is a master key then I can buy an OEM key, have
>> it
>> cut and then program the new key to work with my car. Programming
>> sequence
>> involves use of one of the master keys.
>>
>> Dealer cost for new key is $250. From third party, I can get it for about
>> $90.
>>
>> Any ideas will be helpful.
>>
>> Many thanks in advance.
>>
>> AJ
>>
>>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Is flat key/emergency key a Master Key? ES300 2002 

"opto" <amarjit3333.DeleteThis@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:1D%Ai.9$vl.8@newsfe12.lga...
> This just in from the seller of the car who was able to talk to Master
> Mechanic at a local dealership.
>
> Flat key opens all locks.
> Flat key can start the car ONLY if the plastic part is near the key as the
> last poster said.
>
> Flat key is NOT Master key however.
>
> Which means that I don't have a master key.
>
> Good news is that year 2002 and later cars don't require a $1200 ECM reset
> job from the dealership to create a new Master key. It only costs $115
> now. Key itself costs $250.
>
> So, in short, if I had a master key and wanted another Master key with
> remote, it would cost me $250. Without a master key, it costs additional
> $115.
>
> AJ
>
>
According to my owner's manual, you can make a new master key from the
original master key or the flat key with the case for the flat key. While
the flat key is not a "master" key, it still has all the function of a
master key.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
 >> Stay informed about: Is flat key/emergency key a Master Key? ES300 2002 

Here is an excerpt from
http://www.locksmithcharley.com/toyota-obp-e-instructions.pdf


Of primary importance is determining if you have a key that is enrolled in
the car's computer as a "master" key
or a "valet" key. The procedure for making this determination is:

1. Positively locate the "security" or "anti-theft" light. This light should
blink when there is no key in the

ignition or if an unrecognized key is placed into the ignition.

2. Insert the key you have into the ignition - DO NOT TURN ON. There are 3
possible things that may

occur:

(a) Security light continues to blink = unrecognized key.

(b) Security light goes off IMMEDIATELY = MASTER key

(c) Security light remains illuminated for 1-3 seconds before going out =
VALET key

......................................

So first hold the key holder within one inch or less of the ignition, put
the flat key in while watching the security light, and see if the light goes
out immediately. If it does, then the flat key and holder combined will
enable you to program "real" keys. But you would want to delete all previous
keys for the car first, as stated on the same website. The computer will
only accept so many programmed keys.

There is more good info on that website regarding do it yourself key
programming.

Also, if you can, like me, live without a key with buttons, you can order a
NON-remote master key from Lexus, using your VIN,

http://lexus-parts.com/partlist.asp?SubCategoryID=22&ModelID=5

for, now get this, forty nine bucks!!!

I ordered two for my 2000 ES300 when I had to get the engine computer
re-flashed. I had to pay $61. But WAAAAAY better that $250.

Now you tell me, are bottons on a key worth $201 plus tax more than a key
WITHOUT buttons? I say NO WAY!!!


















"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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>
> "opto" <amarjit3333.TakeThisOut@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:1D%Ai.9$vl.8@newsfe12.lga...
>> This just in from the seller of the car who was able to talk to Master
>> Mechanic at a local dealership.
>>
>> Flat key opens all locks.
>> Flat key can start the car ONLY if the plastic part is near the key as
>> the last poster said.
>>
>> Flat key is NOT Master key however.
>>
>> Which means that I don't have a master key.
>>
>> Good news is that year 2002 and later cars don't require a $1200 ECM
>> reset job from the dealership to create a new Master key. It only costs
>> $115 now. Key itself costs $250.
>>
>> So, in short, if I had a master key and wanted another Master key with
>> remote, it would cost me $250. Without a master key, it costs additional
>> $115.
>>
>> AJ
>>
>>
> According to my owner's manual, you can make a new master key from the
> original master key or the flat key with the case for the flat key. While
> the flat key is not a "master" key, it still has all the function of a
> master key.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
 >> Stay informed about: Is flat key/emergency key a Master Key? ES300 2002 

Actually, here are the slightly different instructions for 2002 and later
models:
http://www.locksmithcharley.com/toyota-obp-i-instructions.pdf
.........................................................................................

"Me" <Me.TakeThisOut@Me.com> wrote in message news:13dk6sl73ss4o0a@corp.supernews.com...
> Here is an excerpt from
> http://www.locksmithcharley.com/toyota-obp-e-instructions.pdf
>
>
> Of primary importance is determining if you have a key that is enrolled in
> the car's computer as a "master" key
> or a "valet" key. The procedure for making this determination is:
>
> 1. Positively locate the "security" or "anti-theft" light. This light
> should blink when there is no key in the
>
> ignition or if an unrecognized key is placed into the ignition.
>
> 2. Insert the key you have into the ignition - DO NOT TURN ON. There are 3
> possible things that may
>
> occur:
>
> (a) Security light continues to blink = unrecognized key.
>
> (b) Security light goes off IMMEDIATELY = MASTER key
>
> (c) Security light remains illuminated for 1-3 seconds before going out =
> VALET key
>
> .....................................
>
> So first hold the key holder within one inch or less of the ignition, put
> the flat key in while watching the security light, and see if the light
> goes out immediately. If it does, then the flat key and holder combined
> will enable you to program "real" keys. But you would want to delete all
> previous keys for the car first, as stated on the same website. The
> computer will only accept so many programmed keys.
>
> There is more good info on that website regarding do it yourself key
> programming.
>
> Also, if you can, like me, live without a key with buttons, you can order
> a NON-remote master key from Lexus, using your VIN,
>
> http://lexus-parts.com/partlist.asp?SubCategoryID=22&ModelID=5
>
> for, now get this, forty nine bucks!!!
>
> I ordered two for my 2000 ES300 when I had to get the engine computer
> re-flashed. I had to pay $61. But WAAAAAY better that $250.
>
> Now you tell me, are bottons on a key worth $201 plus tax more than a key
> WITHOUT buttons? I say NO WAY!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
> news:ZrOdnWYmxtXqXEnbnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>> "opto" <amarjit3333.TakeThisOut@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:1D%Ai.9$vl.8@newsfe12.lga...
>>> This just in from the seller of the car who was able to talk to Master
>>> Mechanic at a local dealership.
>>>
>>> Flat key opens all locks.
>>> Flat key can start the car ONLY if the plastic part is near the key as
>>> the last poster said.
>>>
>>> Flat key is NOT Master key however.
>>>
>>> Which means that I don't have a master key.
>>>
>>> Good news is that year 2002 and later cars don't require a $1200 ECM
>>> reset job from the dealership to create a new Master key. It only costs
>>> $115 now. Key itself costs $250.
>>>
>>> So, in short, if I had a master key and wanted another Master key with
>>> remote, it would cost me $250. Without a master key, it costs additional
>>> $115.
>>>
>>> AJ
>>>
>>>
>> According to my owner's manual, you can make a new master key from the
>> original master key or the flat key with the case for the flat key.
>> While the flat key is not a "master" key, it still has all the function
>> of a master key.
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Is flat key/emergency key a Master Key? ES300 2002 

Much appreciate this information. THANKS!!

This is what I ended up doing.

Bought a key from ebay. It was a blank uncut key for about $65 delivered.

Brought this key to a local locksmith to have it cut. My intent was to then
to follow the instructions here in these postings. Locksmith (Apple
Locksmith in Morganville, NJ) offered to take care of everything i.e.
cut the key
reflash the ECM
program the remote
program the immobiliser on my old (valet) key and new key

for $70.

Total cost was about $140.

BTW, he programmed the valet key to be master also so that I don't have to
buy another key right away. I didn't have need for valet key anyway.

Thank you all for your help!!...

AJ
"Me" <Me RemoveThis @Me.com> wrote in message news:13dk827n9lccbb7@corp.supernews.com...
> Actually, here are the slightly different instructions for 2002 and later
> models:
> http://www.locksmithcharley.com/toyota-obp-i-instructions.pdf
> ........................................................................................
>
> "Me" <Me RemoveThis @Me.com> wrote in message
> news:13dk6sl73ss4o0a@corp.supernews.com...
>> Here is an excerpt from
>> http://www.locksmithcharley.com/toyota-obp-e-instructions.pdf
>>
>>
>> Of primary importance is determining if you have a key that is enrolled
>> in the car's computer as a "master" key
>> or a "valet" key. The procedure for making this determination is:
>>
>> 1. Positively locate the "security" or "anti-theft" light. This light
>> should blink when there is no key in the
>>
>> ignition or if an unrecognized key is placed into the ignition.
>>
>> 2. Insert the key you have into the ignition - DO NOT TURN ON. There are
>> 3 possible things that may
>>
>> occur:
>>
>> (a) Security light continues to blink = unrecognized key.
>>
>> (b) Security light goes off IMMEDIATELY = MASTER key
>>
>> (c) Security light remains illuminated for 1-3 seconds before going out =
>> VALET key
>>
>> .....................................
>>
>> So first hold the key holder within one inch or less of the ignition, put
>> the flat key in while watching the security light, and see if the light
>> goes out immediately. If it does, then the flat key and holder combined
>> will enable you to program "real" keys. But you would want to delete all
>> previous keys for the car first, as stated on the same website. The
>> computer will only accept so many programmed keys.
>>
>> There is more good info on that website regarding do it yourself key
>> programming.
>>
>> Also, if you can, like me, live without a key with buttons, you can order
>> a NON-remote master key from Lexus, using your VIN,
>>
>> http://lexus-parts.com/partlist.asp?SubCategoryID=22&ModelID=5
>>
>> for, now get this, forty nine bucks!!!
>>
>> I ordered two for my 2000 ES300 when I had to get the engine computer
>> re-flashed. I had to pay $61. But WAAAAAY better that $250.
>>
>> Now you tell me, are bottons on a key worth $201 plus tax more than a key
>> WITHOUT buttons? I say NO WAY!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
>> news:ZrOdnWYmxtXqXEnbnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "opto" <amarjit3333 RemoveThis @optonline.net> wrote in message
>>> news:1D%Ai.9$vl.8@newsfe12.lga...
>>>> This just in from the seller of the car who was able to talk to Master
>>>> Mechanic at a local dealership.
>>>>
>>>> Flat key opens all locks.
>>>> Flat key can start the car ONLY if the plastic part is near the key as
>>>> the last poster said.
>>>>
>>>> Flat key is NOT Master key however.
>>>>
>>>> Which means that I don't have a master key.
>>>>
>>>> Good news is that year 2002 and later cars don't require a $1200 ECM
>>>> reset job from the dealership to create a new Master key. It only costs
>>>> $115 now. Key itself costs $250.
>>>>
>>>> So, in short, if I had a master key and wanted another Master key with
>>>> remote, it would cost me $250. Without a master key, it costs
>>>> additional $115.
>>>>
>>>> AJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>> According to my owner's manual, you can make a new master key from the
>>> original master key or the flat key with the case for the flat key.
>>> While the flat key is not a "master" key, it still has all the function
>>> of a master key.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ray O
>>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Is flat key/emergency key a Master Key? ES300 2002