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"bummed71904" <none.RemoveThis@000.com> wrote in message
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> Ok, I bought my car a year ago. Already I have put over 5g’s worth of
> parts into it, from axels and roters to motor mounts, three radiators,
> and 02 sensors. A week ago the SPEED SENSOR??? went out. I paid almost
> $200.00 to have it fixed. The check engine light came on again
> tonight. The code read main circut malfunction. I have no clue. Anyone
> know the costs on this repair and is it worth it?

Three radiators? In one year?

SD
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On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 07:28:18 -0500, "Stewart DIBBS" <sjd.TakeThisOut@pixcl.com>
wrote:

>
>"bummed71904" <none.TakeThisOut@000.com> wrote in message
>news:986027_2258b1c5b87324111fbe1788db4afe8a@autoboardz.com...
>> Ok, I bought my car a year ago. Already I have put over 5g’s worth of
>> parts into it, from axels and roters to motor mounts, three radiators,
>> and 02 sensors. A week ago the SPEED SENSOR??? went out. I paid almost
>> $200.00 to have it fixed. The check engine light came on again
>> tonight. The code read main circut malfunction. I have no clue. Anyone
>> know the costs on this repair and is it worth it?
>
>Three radiators? In one year?
>
>SD
>

Several front end collisions?
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bummed71904 <none RemoveThis @000.com> wrote in news:986027_
2258b1c5b87324111fbe1788db4afe8a RemoveThis @autoboardz.com:

> Ok, I bought my car a year ago. Already I have put over 5g’s worth of
> parts into it, from axels and roters to motor mounts, three radiators,
> and 02 sensors.



Then you have been getting abominably bad diagnosis and repair.

What was wrong in the first place that led you to agree to all this? Sounds
like at least some of the repairs were to fix the consequences of poor
maintenance.



> A week ago the SPEED SENSOR??? went out. I paid almost
> $200.00 to have it fixed. The check engine light came on again
> tonight. The code read main circut malfunction.


No it didn't. It read Pxxxx, where the X's are numbers.

Please tell us the number, along with any symptoms coincident with the
error code.



> I have no clue. Anyone
> know the costs on this repair and is it worth it?


I have no clue either. You have related a tale of woe, but zero details. We
are not psychics, so give us something to work with.



> 1996 Honda Accord
>


What model? What engine? Automatic or manual?


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<isquat.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Yes, I drive a japanese car and no, I don't like driving american cars
> at all. But I have to be fair to the Detrua: their cars are far
> more reliable than some people would like you think.

I'm guessing here, but I believe you mean sane and reasonable people.
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On Mar 7, 11:13 am, "Brian Smith" <Hali....DeleteThis@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:
> <isq....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> > Yes, I drive a japanese car and no, I don't like driving american cars
> > at all. But I have to be fair to the Detrua: their cars are far
> > more reliable than some people would like you think.
>
> I'm guessing here, but I believe you mean sane and reasonable people.

I have to ask where's the reliability data is coming from?
Consumer retorts? People seem to rate their cars based on how
they like them not on how reliable they are
(despite the istructions from retorts I guess)
The reliability results they publish (per model per year) is pure
rubbish.
What could've been reliable is the extended service plan costs
from insurance companies if they were to sell them for 50-100k miles.
Is there such a thing?
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On 7 Mar 2007 19:46:53 -0800, isquat DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:

>On Mar 7, 11:13 am, "Brian Smith" <Hali... DeleteThis @NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:
>> <isq... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1173279145.251063.11370@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Yes, I drive a japanese car and no, I don't like driving american cars
>> > at all. But I have to be fair to the Detrua: their cars are far
>> > more reliable than some people would like you think.
>>
>> I'm guessing here, but I believe you mean sane and reasonable people.
>
>I have to ask where's the reliability data is coming from?
>Consumer retorts? People seem to rate their cars based on how
>they like them not on how reliable they are
>(despite the istructions from retorts I guess)
>The reliability results they publish (per model per year) is pure
>rubbish.

You have no basis on which to make that statement. The survey is the
best information available to the consumer on auto reliability.
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<isquat DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I have to ask where's the reliability data is coming from?

Personal experience is one source.
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On Mar 7, 10:08 pm, Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVr... DeleteThis @mindspring.com>
wrote:
> On 7 Mar 2007 19:46:53 -0800, isq... DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Mar 7, 11:13 am, "Brian Smith" <Hali... DeleteThis @NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:
> >> <isq... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1173279145.251063.11370@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > Yes, I drive a japanese car and no, I don't like driving american cars
> >> > at all. But I have to be fair to the Detrua: their cars are far
> >> > more reliable than some people would like you think.
>
> >> I'm guessing here, but I believe you mean sane and reasonable people.
>
> >I have to ask where's the reliability data is coming from?
> >Consumer retorts? People seem to rate their cars based on how
> >they like them not on how reliable they are
> >(despite the istructions from retorts I guess)
> >The reliability results they publish (per model per year) is pure
> >rubbish.
>
> You have no basis on which to make that statement. The survey is the
> best information available to the consumer on auto reliability.

Ok. So there is the data tabulated by make, model and year.
You see that 02 Camry for example has held up better than
02 Monte Carlo or whatever. So what does it mean to the used
car buyer? The if he had money to buy a new camry instead
monte carlo in 2001 he would've been better off if he were to
sell it.
But this is NOT the kind of information that the used car
buyer needs. If he has $5k in hand chances off that his question
is: what could I buy that won't fall apart the next day
for that amount of money? 02 monte carlo with 60k miles or 1998 civic
with 120k?
And, frankly, I suspect that 02 monte carlo would hold up
better if only due to newer age and much lower mileage.
Of course it does not hurt that the japanese used cars overpriced,
if I were to sell one of mine tomorrow I'd get a good chunk of
cash for either one of them. Primarily because of the mass
psychosis "japanese cars are more reliable". Yes. For the same model
year and zero miles on odometer they might be. However,
due to much more rapid depreciation of american cars the chances
that $5k japanese is better reliability wise than an am car
are very slim. Japanese cars (with exception of the current toyota crop)
are usually fun to drive (civics and accords I believe
fall into that category) and that slows down depreciation further.
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<isquat DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> But this is NOT the kind of information that the used car
> buyer needs. If he has $5k in hand chances off that his question
> is: what could I buy that won't fall apart the next day
> for that amount of money? 02 monte carlo with 60k miles or 1998 civic
> with 120k?

That is actually a very good point. As a used car buyer who favors cars over
100K miles and looks suspiciously at cars under 80K, used car reports as to
which $10K car will hold up better the next few years don't help at all. For
all the scorn Usenet takes, it is the best way I know of getting the feel of
which cars exhibit which problems as they get old. For example, I've learned
the Ford Contour is a no-no even for a Ford fan, while the Crown Vic is a
good choice. At 50K miles and three years it could have been a close
contest... or not. That Honda has no lemons of that sort is fine.

Mike
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In article <986027_2258b1c5b87324111fbe1788db4afe8a.DeleteThis@autoboardz.com>,
bummed71904 <none.DeleteThis@000.com> wrote:

> Ok, I bought my car a year ago. Already I have put over 5g’s worth of
> parts into it, from axels and roters to motor mounts, three radiators,
> and 02 sensors. A week ago the SPEED SENSOR??? went out. I paid almost
> $200.00 to have it fixed. The check engine light came on again
> tonight. The code read main circut malfunction. I have no clue. Anyone
> know the costs on this repair and is it worth it?
>
> 1996 Honda Accord
So you've only had it for 1 of it's many 11 years.
It could have many more hard poorly maintained miles than you would ever
believe.
You need to buy such an old car from an old original owner who maintains
it properly, such as me, but my '95 LH Chrysler is not for sale. <
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OK. that seems really unreasonable. I would now check to make sure that car wasn't a flood car
from Katrina or something.

bummed71904 wrote:

> Ok, I bought my car a year ago. Already I have put over 5g’s worth of
> parts into it, from axels and roters to motor mounts, three radiators,
> and 02 sensors. A week ago the SPEED SENSOR??? went out. I paid almost
> $200.00 to have it fixed. The check engine light came on again
> tonight. The code read main circut malfunction. I have no clue. Anyone
> know the costs on this repair and is it worth it?
>
> 1996 Honda Accord
>
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Sorry,
I am going to join in on the bashing of Consumer Reports reliability rankings.
They are worthless. For one thing they cover too short a time.

JD Power survey seems practically fraudulent as they rank "initial
quality"...ie, defects when delivered...while that is nice...it doesn't tell you
if the transmission falls out at 6,000 miles.

Go to a very busy independent mechanic and ask him what breaks the least and
don't forget to get an opinion on how relatively expensive the replacement parts
are, you will be surprised.
Second best ask a lot of people who would qualify as "car enthusiasts" and ask
them for their experiences.

I wish I knew of a good place to find reliability rankings with published
criteria that I could believe in. If anyone does know of one please tell me.
..
Norm

Gordon McGrew wrote:

> On 7 Mar 2007 19:46:53 -0800, isquat RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
>
> >On Mar 7, 11:13 am, "Brian Smith" <Hali... RemoveThis @NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:
> >> <isq... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> news:1173279145.251063.11370@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Yes, I drive a jap car and no, I don't like driving american cars
> >> > at all. But I have to be fair to the Detrua: their cars are far
> >> > more reliable than some people would like you think.
> >>
> >> I'm guessing here, but I believe you mean sane and reasonable people.
> >
> >I have to ask where's the reliability data is coming from?
> >Consumer retorts? People seem to rate their cars based on how
> >they like them not on how reliable they are
> >(despite the istructions from retorts I guess)
> >The reliability results they publish (per model per year) is pure
> >rubbish.
>
> You have no basis on which to make that statement. The survey is the
> best information available to the consumer on auto reliability.
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On 5/6/2007 1:32 PM .... spake these words of knowledge:

> Sorry,
> I am going to join in on the bashing of Consumer Reports reliability rankings.
> They are worthless. For one thing they cover too short a time.
>
> JD Power survey seems practically fraudulent as they rank "initial
> quality"...ie, defects when delivered...while that is nice...it doesn't tell you
> if the transmission falls out at 6,000 miles.
>
> Go to a very busy independent mechanic and ask him what breaks the least and
> don't forget to get an opinion on how relatively expensive the replacement parts
> are, you will be surprised.
> Second best ask a lot of people who would qualify as "car enthusiasts" and ask
> them for their experiences.
>
> I wish I knew of a good place to find reliability rankings with published
> criteria that I could believe in. If anyone does know of one please tell me.
> .
> Norm

Just write your own. That should serve you quite well, and you'll be
very satisfied with how bright you think the author is.

There's no need to be sorry about bashing the Consumer Reports
reliability rankings; you join a large company of people who choose to
do so because the rankings don't agree with what they already 'believe'.
Relax.

In the meantime, those of us who value consumer input rather than
manufacturer's claims will continue to use this and other measures for
evaluation.

Of course, I have no way of knowing for sure that other people who rate
their purchases for reliability do so fairly and honestly, anymore than
you or the other cretins have any way of knowing that they do not. We
do know that there's nothing to gain by not doing so, and the
reliability of the Hondas and Toyotas which have topped the reliability
rankings for years and years isn't disputed by anyone with two brain
cells to rub together - or by anyone with data to back up the disputation.

By the way, Consumer Reports covers at least six years of history. For
my Hondas, that's about 120,000 miles.

Each.

A shitload more than enough to tell you if the transmission falls out at
6000 miles.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
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