ethanol/duramax

This is what the saleman told me at the dealer...?
mc
"dave" wrote in message

>> how long will the engine last if you run ethanol?
>
> bang bang bang boom $5.00 says 20 seconds on straight ethanol
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:24:04 GMT, "mc" wrote:

>This is what the saleman told me at the dealer...?
>mc
>"dave" wrote in message
>
>>> how long will the engine last if you run ethanol?
>>
>> bang bang bang boom $5.00 says 20 seconds on straight ethanol
>


They told you that because he wanted to sell it too you. You want to
use it VERY sparingly when needed maybe in winter (because alchol can
bind to water and prevent it from freezing and also bind to fuel) and
that is it as it has no lubrication qualities and would raise H with
the pump and injection system if used in anything more than trace
amounts.
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Greetings,

The Duramax (or any diesel for that matter) will not run on ethanol of any
concentration that is sold for fuel, especially the new E85. Whoever told
you that is either woefully misinformed or jerkin' yer gerkin. I think they
got it confused with biodiesel, which the Duramax WILL run on. Biodiesel is
NOT ethanol, but it will make your exhaust smell like french fries...

Cheers - Jonathan

"mc" wrote in message

>I was informed that the duramax will run on diesel and ethanol. How does
>this work? Do you just add ethanol on top of the diesel...drain the tank or
>what?
> Also, how long will the engine last if you run ethanol? Will it still last
> for 300-500,000 miles?
> mc
>
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It didn't make sense to me either, but I will go back to the dealer here
and ask some queations..
mc
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Jonathan wrote:
> While E95 can be used in diesel engines, the motor needs modifications. The
> trucks used in the test (from the second link) had modified Detroit Diesel
> motors - you can't just pour E95 into your tank and go. And it doesn't
> appear that there was any significant benefit from using E95 over normal
> diesel fuel from the description in the summary. Plus, if you think E85 is
> hard to find in places, just try to find E95!

Why are people so hot on ethanol anyway? Ethanol is a farce. Even if we
dedicate every acre of tillable land in this country to corn for
ethanol, we can't hope to make a tiny dent in the amount of gasoline we
use. Then what do we eat?

I thought ethanol was supposed to be the "great white hope." I thought
ethanol was the solution to high gas proces. How come the Sunoco
stations around here that advertise 10% ethanol charge just as much, or
MORE, per gallon than those that sell 100% gasoline? On top of that,
10% ethanol reduces fuel economy by 5-10%. So, you're paying just as
much, or more, to use more fuel. Makes sense to me.
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SnoMan wrote:
> While I agree with some of this, not all of it. For one E10 will not
> reduce MPG 10%.

On Sunoco 10% Ethanol gasoline, my 2003 Silverado loses 2 MPG. I
normally get 20 in the summer. If I fill up at ANY Sunoco station that
advertises 10% ethanol, I'm lucky if I get 18. That's at least 10%.
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On 14 Jun 2006 07:30:45 -0700, mkirsch1 DeleteThis @rochester.rr.com wrote:

>Jonathan wrote:
>> While E95 can be used in diesel engines, the motor needs modifications. The
>> trucks used in the test (from the second link) had modified Detroit Diesel
>> motors - you can't just pour E95 into your tank and go. And it doesn't
>> appear that there was any significant benefit from using E95 over normal
>> diesel fuel from the description in the summary. Plus, if you think E85 is
>> hard to find in places, just try to find E95!
>
>Why are people so hot on ethanol anyway? Ethanol is a farce. Even if we
>dedicate every acre of tillable land in this country to corn for
>ethanol, we can't hope to make a tiny dent in the amount of gasoline we
>use. Then what do we eat?
>
>I thought ethanol was supposed to be the "great white hope." I thought
>ethanol was the solution to high gas proces. How come the Sunoco
>stations around here that advertise 10% ethanol charge just as much, or
>MORE, per gallon than those that sell 100% gasoline? On top of that,
>10% ethanol reduces fuel economy by 5-10%. So, you're paying just as
>much, or more, to use more fuel. Makes sense to me.


While I agree with some of this, not all of it. For one E10 will not
reduce MPG 10%. Some engines do the same some a litlle better and some
a little worse but there is no normal 10% loss. Second we use the
equivlant of 125,000 semi tanker trucks of oil every day and it is
growing and we now import 60% of our oil as and this will only get
worse. Ethanol is not a long term soluiton and can only extend gas
supplies at best when mixed with it. (there is a new process that will
hit main stream in a year or two that uses grass and tree scrap and is
a lot cheaper too but it still will never replace oil as we simply use
to much) Also if you run e85 or pure alchol MPG will suffer because
the energy content is much lower so you will need even more of it
which some people do not understand. The only real long term fix is
more efficent vehicles that reduce demand but americas lov for SUV is
digging the grave deeper.
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last month's Scientific American...a company in Pennsylvania is
producing diesel fuel from waste coal for $54.00 per barrel. See Ruhr
coal oil Nazi Germany see Alberta tar sands project see Colorado shale
see any of the coast lines of America we are awash in oil
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On 14 Jun 2006 13:09:55 -0700, mkirsch1.RemoveThis@rochester.rr.com wrote:

>SnoMan wrote:
>> While I agree with some of this, not all of it. For one E10 will not
>> reduce MPG 10%.
>
>On Sunoco 10% Ethanol gasoline, my 2003 Silverado loses 2 MPG. I
>normally get 20 in the summer. If I fill up at ANY Sunoco station that
>advertises 10% ethanol, I'm lucky if I get 18. That's at least 10%.


Maybe you but I have not seen any real big differnce on a few vehicles
here. It does have less energy though to it is possible to to loose
some MPG. I just take exception to the flat 10% loss rule.
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:11:05 -0400, dave wrote:

>last month's Scientific American...a company in Pennsylvania is
>producing diesel fuel from waste coal for $54.00 per barrel. See Ruhr
>coal oil Nazi Germany see Alberta tar sands project see Colorado shale
>see any of the coast lines of America we are awash in oil


The true cost in much higher. Besides, it does not fix the problem as
while we need more energy sources, we alos need to be more thrifty in
its usage which current trends do not support.
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"dave" wrote in message

> last month's Scientific American...a company in Pennsylvania is producing
> diesel fuel from waste coal for $54.00 per barrel. See Ruhr coal oil Nazi
> Germany see Alberta tar sands project see Colorado shale see any of the
> coast lines of America we are awash in oil
Fuel derived from coal is a old technology, been around for about as long as
gas. But now it is a viable option and technology has made it more
efficient. A few years back oil was so cheap that any alternate source was
just financially foolish. Same with biodiesel, vegetable oil was more
expensive than oil. Things have changed. As far as a previous post about
using all the land, you haven't gotten out much. 2/3 of the US population
lives on the east, the biggest part of the other 1/3 lives in Cali. There is
a whole lot of unused land in between. Just get on one of the East/West
Interstates and take a ride across country. Of course like SnoMan said.
These fuels can't replace oil but can help alleviate the problem. The dummy
who loads up in the Hummer and drives 5 miles to buy a bottle of water don't
help either. As much as I like my Chevy trucks the 82 Porsche 924 has seen
more miles in the last year.
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I've been running my stock '00 Silverado on E85 for about 2 weeks now.
E85 is about $1.20 per gallon cheaper than the 93-octane fuel I was
running, and I'm getting about 85% as many miles per gallon... so I'm saving
about $1.20 x 0.85 = $1.02 per gallon, adjusted for mileage. That amounts
to about $20 - $25 every time I fill up!
I'm not suggesting anyone else try this... just letting you know that
I've been doing it.
David


wrote in message

>
> Why are people so hot on ethanol anyway? Ethanol is a farce. Even if we
> dedicate every acre of tillable land in this country to corn for
> ethanol, we can't hope to make a tiny dent in the amount of gasoline we
> use. Then what do we eat?
>
> I thought ethanol was supposed to be the "great white hope." I thought
> ethanol was the solution to high gas proces. How come the Sunoco
> stations around here that advertise 10% ethanol charge just as much, or
> MORE, per gallon than those that sell 100% gasoline? On top of that,
> 10% ethanol reduces fuel economy by 5-10%. So, you're paying just as
> much, or more, to use more fuel. Makes sense to me.
>
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"David Courtney" wrote in message

> I've been running my stock '00 Silverado on E85 for about 2 weeks now.
> E85 is about $1.20 per gallon cheaper than the 93-octane fuel I was
> running, and I'm getting about 85% as many miles per gallon... so I'm
saving
> about $1.20 x 0.85 = $1.02 per gallon, adjusted for mileage. That amounts
> to about $20 - $25 every time I fill up!
> I'm not suggesting anyone else try this... just letting you know that
> I've been doing it.
> David
>

Working extremely well in Brazil!

>
> wrote in message
>
> >
> > Why are people so hot on ethanol anyway? Ethanol is a farce. Even if we
> > dedicate every acre of tillable land in this country to corn for
> > ethanol, we can't hope to make a tiny dent in the amount of gasoline we
> > use. Then what do we eat?
> >
> > I thought ethanol was supposed to be the "great white hope." I thought
> > ethanol was the solution to high gas proces. How come the Sunoco
> > stations around here that advertise 10% ethanol charge just as much, or
> > MORE, per gallon than those that sell 100% gasoline? On top of that,
> > 10% ethanol reduces fuel economy by 5-10%. So, you're paying just as
> > much, or more, to use more fuel. Makes sense to me.
> >
>
>
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