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wp51dos

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:27 am
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99 camry 160,000 miles origional spark plugs.

I'm going to replace them.

I want to check spark plug wires beforehand to see if need relaced.

I have digial vom.

In old days after dark you could start motor, raise hood and look for
arcing.

Nowadays the headlights come on automatically.

Any way to temp disable headlights to allow visual inspection ?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:51 am
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It's hard to check spark plug wires with an ohm meter. Basically,
anything above 100k is "broken" but below that is fine. If the wires
are working, why do you want to fiddle with them? I have the same
mileage and have never changed plugs, wires, distributor cap or
anything. I hit 27+ MPG on the highway. "Ain't broken, don't fix it."


wrote:
> 99 camry 160,000 miles origional spark plugs.
>
> I'm going to replace them.
>
> I want to check spark plug wires beforehand to see if need relaced.
>
> I have digial vom.
>
> In old days after dark you could start motor, raise hood and look for
> arcing.
>
> Nowadays the headlights come on automatically.
>
> Any way to temp disable headlights to allow visual inspection ?
>

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:35 am
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The plug wires should have no more than 25K-ohm per foot. Pull the Head
light relay (or the two 15A head lamp fuses) to disable the lamps.

You can replace them on a preventative basis, but unless there are
breaks you can still use them at 160Kmiles.


wrote:
> 99 camry 160,000 miles origional spark plugs.
>
> I'm going to replace them.
>
> I want to check spark plug wires beforehand to see if need relaced.
>
> I have digial vom.
>
> In old days after dark you could start motor, raise hood and look for
> arcing.
>
> Nowadays the headlights come on automatically.
>
> Any way to temp disable headlights to allow visual inspection ?
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wp51dos

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:56 pm
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thanks for the reply.

i get 20 mpg around town.

does this sound right?

i don't go on trips

i think I'll just pull the easy 3 front plugs and see how they look.

I changed all 6 on another v6 3.0 camry and it took like 4 hours for
the back three.

wrote:
> The plug wires should have no more than 25K-ohm per foot. Pull the Head
> light relay (or the two 15A head lamp fuses) to disable the lamps.
>
> You can replace them on a preventative basis, but unless there are
> breaks you can still use them at 160Kmiles.
>
>
> wrote:
> > 99 camry 160,000 miles origional spark plugs.
> >
> > I'm going to replace them.
> >
> > I want to check spark plug wires beforehand to see if need relaced.
> >
> > I have digial vom.
> >
> > In old days after dark you could start motor, raise hood and look for
> > arcing.
> >
> > Nowadays the headlights come on automatically.
> >
> > Any way to temp disable headlights to allow visual inspection ?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:26 pm
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Dont play games , replace them, have you ever checked the rotor or caps
carbon tracking, im sure not, replace them. Have you ever checked
timing, I bet not, You will get 3-5 mpg better when you learn to care
for your car.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:55 am
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"m Ransley" wrote in message

> Dont play games , replace them, have you ever checked the rotor or caps
> carbon tracking, im sure not, replace them. Have you ever checked
> timing, I bet not, You will get 3-5 mpg better when you learn to care
> for your car.
>
That's a bold claim. I have never had that kind of reward for replacing
anything except parts which made a car run noticeably badly, sometimes not
then. Especially these days when ignition components are less critical than
they used to be.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:41 am
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jg wrote:
> "m Ransley" wrote in message
>
>> Dont play games , replace them, have you ever checked the rotor or caps
>> carbon tracking, im sure not, replace them. Have you ever checked
>> timing, I bet not, You will get 3-5 mpg better when you learn to care
>> for your car.
>>
> That's a bold claim. I have never had that kind of reward for replacing
> anything except parts which made a car run noticeably badly, sometimes not
> then. Especially these days when ignition components are less critical than
> they used to be.

> Right! At least unless you own a car repair business. You turn the
adjustment a quarter turn and the computer turns it back a quarter turn.

The shotgun approach -- replace everything in hopes that it will fix
something is not very sophisticated and is certainly not economical. If
your car doesn't run right, diagnose it and repair what is broken.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:23 am
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wrote:
> 99 camry 160,000 miles origional spark plugs.
>
> I'm going to replace them.
>
> I want to check spark plug wires beforehand to see if need relaced.
>
> I have digial vom.
>
> In old days after dark you could start motor, raise hood and look for
> arcing.
>
> Nowadays the headlights come on automatically.
>
> Any way to temp disable headlights to allow visual inspection ?

On many cars, pulling the parking brake up to the first click will
disable the auto headlight feature.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:15 am
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The computer does nopt over ride timing adjustments, it uses them as a
baseline. Thinking the computer does is ignorant of its operation.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:06 pm
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I tried pulling up on hand brake.

no go

lights still turn off & on with ignition




jg wrote:
> "m Ransley" wrote in message
>
> > The computer does nopt over ride timing adjustments, it uses them as a
> > baseline. Thinking the computer does is ignorant of its operation.
> >
> Timing is also much less likely to have wandered out of adjustment than on
> older cars.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:29 pm
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20 on a V6 is probably OK.

4 hours for rear bank plugs is a bit long. You should be able to reach
all plugs from the driver side, using no more than either 3" or 6"
extension (yes, just one at a time) with a spark plug socket and a
standard 3/8" ratchet. No need for u-joints on the extensions. You may
prefer to remove the PCV valve and hose from the manifold instead of
getting the right most plug from the driver side. Shouldn't take you
more than 30 minutes. The fronts ones I'd say no more than 5 minutes or
10 if you work slooow Wink

The timing belt does stretch with time reducing mileage and increase
emissions. If you do your own work I'd say change it (and the pump,
pulleys, seals) at 60K miles. 90K miles is a bit long.


wrote:
> thanks for the reply.
>
> i get 20 mpg around town.
>
> does this sound right?
>
> i don't go on trips
>
> i think I'll just pull the easy 3 front plugs and see how they look.
>
> I changed all 6 on another v6 3.0 camry and it took like 4 hours for
> the back three.
>
> wrote:
> > The plug wires should have no more than 25K-ohm per foot. Pull the Head
> > light relay (or the two 15A head lamp fuses) to disable the lamps.
> >
> > You can replace them on a preventative basis, but unless there are
> > breaks you can still use them at 160Kmiles.
> >
> >
> > wrote:
> > > 99 camry 160,000 miles origional spark plugs.
> > >
> > > I'm going to replace them.
> > >
> > > I want to check spark plug wires beforehand to see if need relaced.
> > >
> > > I have digial vom.
> > >
> > > In old days after dark you could start motor, raise hood and look for
> > > arcing.
> > >
> > > Nowadays the headlights come on automatically.
> > >
> > > Any way to temp disable headlights to allow visual inspection ?
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:22 pm
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Belts stretch mine was 3-4 degrees off, its a common issue over looked
thats hurts power and mpg.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:55 pm
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"m Ransley" wrote in message

> The computer does nopt over ride timing adjustments, it uses them as a
> baseline. Thinking the computer does is ignorant of its operation.
>
Timing is also much less likely to have wandered out of adjustment than on
older cars.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:36 pm
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Today's timing belts do not use steel cords. They are types of kevlar
cords. Toyota had years of problems with the 5SFE belt stretching to
the point of slapping the timing cover until they updated the belt
around 2001(?). So timing belts can strech and they can strech baaaad.

There are of course other cord materials, like the Gates' carbon cord
composit belt developed for Harley Davidson. Hardley wanted to put a
wider wheel on their bikes, and instead of using metal chains Gates was
asked to come up with the world's first commercially successful
"carbon cord elastomeric composite belt". It's a thin belt with the
strength of metal chains.

While some belts are spec'ed to go over 100,000 miles (like the Gates
timing belts in Hondas), I do my own work and would change them out at
60,000 miles. $30 for a big rubber band is cheap (plus other usual
parts for a timing job of course).

I have a preference for Gates Timing Component Kits. They include the
idler and tensioner pulleys. www.gates.com


jg wrote:
> "m Ransley" wrote in message
>
> > Belts stretch mine was 3-4 degrees off, its a common issue over looked
> > thats hurts power and mpg.
> >
> That's almost a belt tooth - if it has stretched that much (and they have
> steel wire inside), you should worry about the belt not the timing.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:55 pm
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"m Ransley" wrote in message

> Belts stretch mine was 3-4 degrees off, its a common issue over looked
> thats hurts power and mpg.
>
That's almost a belt tooth - if it has stretched that much (and they have
steel wire inside), you should worry about the belt not the timing.
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