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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:03 pm Post subject: celica blinkers driving me nuts Archived from groups: alt>autos>toyota (more info?)

Hey all I have a 1989 celica st, the blinkers are possesed. When I signal for a left or right turn without the headlights on, all is good. BUT when I turn on the headlights, the left turn indicator at the dash stays on and stays on, and when I signal left, the blinkers flash REAL fast as if I have a burnt out light bulb.The right side operates normal with or with out the head lights on. All the bulbs are good and I checked the grounds in the blinker circuit. Im thinking its the flasher element. Any ideas what could cause this. Thanks Steve >> Stay informed about: celica blinkers driving me nuts

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:29 am Post subject: Re: celica blinkers driving me nuts [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"seeray28(steve)" wrote in message > Hey all I have a 1989 celica st, the blinkers are possesed. When I signal > for a left or right turn without the headlights on, all is good. BUT when > I > turn on the headlights, the left turn indicator at the dash stays on and > stays on, and when I signal left, the blinkers flash REAL fast as if I > have > a burnt out light bulb.The right side operates normal with or with out the > head lights on. All the bulbs are good and I checked the grounds in the > blinker circuit. Im thinking its the flasher element. Any ideas what could > cause this. > Thanks > Steve > If the flasher was bad, you would have the same thing on the left and right side. I think that the left side ground is bad or you have a bad bulb. Another possibility is the combination switch. You will need a wiring diagram to properly diagnose the condition. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) >> Stay informed about: celica blinkers driving me nuts

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:29 am Post subject: Re: celica blinkers driving me nuts [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"seeray28(steve)" wrote in message > Hey all I have a 1989 celica st, the blinkers are possesed. When I signal > for a left or right turn without the headlights on, all is good. BUT when > I > turn on the headlights, the left turn indicator at the dash stays on and > stays on, and when I signal left, the blinkers flash REAL fast as if I > have > a burnt out light bulb.The right side operates normal with or with out the > head lights on. All the bulbs are good and I checked the grounds in the > blinker circuit. Im thinking its the flasher element. Any ideas what could > cause this. > Thanks > Steve > If the flasher was bad, you would have the same thing on the left and right side. I think that the left side ground is bad or you have a bad bulb. Another possibility is the combination switch. You will need a wiring diagram to properly diagnose the condition. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) >> Stay informed about: celica blinkers driving me nuts

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:29 am Post subject: Re: celica blinkers driving me nuts [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message > > "seeray28(steve)" wrote in message > >> Hey all I have a 1989 celica st, the blinkers are possesed. When I signal >> for a left or right turn without the headlights on, all is good. BUT when >> I >> turn on the headlights, the left turn indicator at the dash stays on and >> stays on, and when I signal left, the blinkers flash REAL fast as if I >> have >> a burnt out light bulb.The right side operates normal with or with out >> the >> head lights on. All the bulbs are good and I checked the grounds in the >> blinker circuit. Im thinking its the flasher element. Any ideas what >> could >> cause this. >> Thanks >> Steve >> > If the flasher was bad, you would have the same thing on the left and > right side. I think that the left side ground is bad or you have a bad > bulb. Another possibility is the combination switch. You will need a > wiring diagram to properly diagnose the condition. > -- > > Ray O > (correct punctuation to reply) In my experience, the rapid flashing indicates a poor or nil ground at the bulb. I occasionally have this in the front turn signals of the 97 Camry. I solved it in a very professional manner...I leave the flasher flashing, exit the car and give the area where the flasher is misbehaving a good flathanded bitch slap, and that's the end of it....and it works fine for the next six weeks or so, until I have to spank it again. >> Stay informed about: celica blinkers driving me nuts

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:29 am Post subject: Re: celica blinkers driving me nuts [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message > > "seeray28(steve)" wrote in message > >> Hey all I have a 1989 celica st, the blinkers are possesed. When I signal >> for a left or right turn without the headlights on, all is good. BUT when >> I >> turn on the headlights, the left turn indicator at the dash stays on and >> stays on, and when I signal left, the blinkers flash REAL fast as if I >> have >> a burnt out light bulb.The right side operates normal with or with out >> the >> head lights on. All the bulbs are good and I checked the grounds in the >> blinker circuit. Im thinking its the flasher element. Any ideas what >> could >> cause this. >> Thanks >> Steve >> > If the flasher was bad, you would have the same thing on the left and > right side. I think that the left side ground is bad or you have a bad > bulb. Another possibility is the combination switch. You will need a > wiring diagram to properly diagnose the condition. > -- > > Ray O > (correct punctuation to reply) In my experience, the rapid flashing indicates a poor or nil ground at the bulb. I occasionally have this in the front turn signals of the 97 Camry. I solved it in a very professional manner...I leave the flasher flashing, exit the car and give the area where the flasher is misbehaving a good flathanded bitch slap, and that's the end of it....and it works fine for the next six weeks or so, until I have to spank it again. >> Stay informed about: celica blinkers driving me nuts

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:19 am Post subject: Re: celica blinkers driving me nuts [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

dont say combination switch, i really dont feel like pulling a steering wheel on a 200 dollar car. On the head light/blinker grounds, am I correct in that the center wire of the connectors is the ground? I think it is but I will test it with the ohm meter first. Can I just run another ground wire to the body? Or would I be better off running a gound to the engine? "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message > > "seeray28(steve)" wrote in message > > > Hey all I have a 1989 celica st, the blinkers are possesed. When I signal > > for a left or right turn without the headlights on, all is good. BUT when > > I > > turn on the headlights, the left turn indicator at the dash stays on and > > stays on, and when I signal left, the blinkers flash REAL fast as if I > > have > > a burnt out light bulb.The right side operates normal with or with out the > > head lights on. All the bulbs are good and I checked the grounds in the > > blinker circuit. Im thinking its the flasher element. Any ideas what could > > cause this. > > Thanks > > Steve > > > If the flasher was bad, you would have the same thing on the left and right > side. I think that the left side ground is bad or you have a bad bulb. > Another possibility is the combination switch. You will need a wiring > diagram to properly diagnose the condition. > -- > > Ray O > (correct punctuation to reply) > > >> Stay informed about: celica blinkers driving me nuts

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:19 am Post subject: Re: celica blinkers driving me nuts [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

dont say combination switch, i really dont feel like pulling a steering wheel on a 200 dollar car. On the head light/blinker grounds, am I correct in that the center wire of the connectors is the ground? I think it is but I will test it with the ohm meter first. Can I just run another ground wire to the body? Or would I be better off running a gound to the engine? "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message > > "seeray28(steve)" wrote in message > > > Hey all I have a 1989 celica st, the blinkers are possesed. When I signal > > for a left or right turn without the headlights on, all is good. BUT when > > I > > turn on the headlights, the left turn indicator at the dash stays on and > > stays on, and when I signal left, the blinkers flash REAL fast as if I > > have > > a burnt out light bulb.The right side operates normal with or with out the > > head lights on. All the bulbs are good and I checked the grounds in the > > blinker circuit. Im thinking its the flasher element. Any ideas what could > > cause this. > > Thanks > > Steve > > > If the flasher was bad, you would have the same thing on the left and right > side. I think that the left side ground is bad or you have a bad bulb. > Another possibility is the combination switch. You will need a wiring > diagram to properly diagnose the condition. > -- > > Ray O > (correct punctuation to reply) > > >> Stay informed about: celica blinkers driving me nuts

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: celica blinkers driving me nuts [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"mack" wrote in message > > "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message > >> >> "seeray28(steve)" wrote in message >> >>> Hey all I have a 1989 celica st, the blinkers are possesed. When I >>> signal >>> for a left or right turn without the headlights on, all is good. BUT >>> when I >>> turn on the headlights, the left turn indicator at the dash stays on and >>> stays on, and when I signal left, the blinkers flash REAL fast as if I >>> have >>> a burnt out light bulb.The right side operates normal with or with out >>> the >>> head lights on. All the bulbs are good and I checked the grounds in the >>> blinker circuit. Im thinking its the flasher element. Any ideas what >>> could >>> cause this. >>> Thanks >>> Steve >>> >> If the flasher was bad, you would have the same thing on the left and >> right side. I think that the left side ground is bad or you have a bad >> bulb. Another possibility is the combination switch. You will need a >> wiring diagram to properly diagnose the condition. >> -- >> >> Ray O >> (correct punctuation to reply) > In my experience, the rapid flashing indicates a poor or nil ground at the > bulb. I occasionally have this in the front turn signals of the 97 > Camry. I solved it in a very professional manner...I leave the flasher > flashing, exit the car and give the area where the flasher is misbehaving > a good flathanded bitch slap, and that's the end of it....and it works > fine for the next six weeks or so, until I have to spank it again. Hey! Don't give out the pro's secrets!!! -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) >> Stay informed about: celica blinkers driving me nuts

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: celica blinkers driving me nuts [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"mack" wrote in message > > "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message > >> >> "seeray28(steve)" wrote in message >> >>> Hey all I have a 1989 celica st, the blinkers are possesed. When I >>> signal >>> for a left or right turn without the headlights on, all is good. BUT >>> when I >>> turn on the headlights, the left turn indicator at the dash stays on and >>> stays on, and when I signal left, the blinkers flash REAL fast as if I >>> have >>> a burnt out light bulb.The right side operates normal with or with out >>> the >>> head lights on. All the bulbs are good and I checked the grounds in the >>> blinker circuit. Im thinking its the flasher element. Any ideas what >>> could >>> cause this. >>> Thanks >>> Steve >>> >> If the flasher was bad, you would have the same thing on the left and >> right side. I think that the left side ground is bad or you have a bad >> bulb. Another possibility is the combination switch. You will need a >> wiring diagram to properly diagnose the condition. >> -- >> >> Ray O >> (correct punctuation to reply) > In my experience, the rapid flashing indicates a poor or nil ground at the > bulb. I occasionally have this in the front turn signals of the 97 > Camry. I solved it in a very professional manner...I leave the flasher > flashing, exit the car and give the area where the flasher is misbehaving > a good flathanded bitch slap, and that's the end of it....and it works > fine for the next six weeks or so, until I have to spank it again. Hey! Don't give out the pro's secrets!!! -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) >> Stay informed about: celica blinkers driving me nuts

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: celica blinkers driving me nuts [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"seeray28(steve)" wrote in message > dont say combination switch, i really dont feel like pulling a steering > wheel on a 200 dollar car. > On the head light/blinker grounds, am I correct in that the center wire of > the connectors is the ground? I think it is but I will test it with the > ohm > meter first. Can I just run another ground wire to the body? Or would I be > better off running a gound to the engine? I do not know offhand which wire in the connector is the ground so yes, the best way is to test. Yes, you can just run another ground wire to the body. Use the same or thicker gauge wire. I would just loosen a nearby bolt or screw, attach a lug connector, and ground it under the bolt/screw head. There is no need to ground it to the engine. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) > "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message > >> >> "seeray28(steve)" wrote in message >> >> > Hey all I have a 1989 celica st, the blinkers are possesed. When I > signal >> > for a left or right turn without the headlights on, all is good. BUT > when >> > I >> > turn on the headlights, the left turn indicator at the dash stays on >> > and >> > stays on, and when I signal left, the blinkers flash REAL fast as if I >> > have >> > a burnt out light bulb.The right side operates normal with or with out > the >> > head lights on. All the bulbs are good and I checked the grounds in the >> > blinker circuit. Im thinking its the flasher element. Any ideas what > could >> > cause this. >> > Thanks >> > Steve >> > >> If the flasher was bad, you would have the same thing on the left and > right >> side. I think that the left side ground is bad or you have a bad bulb. >> Another possibility is the combination switch. You will need a wiring >> diagram to properly diagnose the condition. >> -- >> >> Ray O >> (correct punctuation to reply) >> >> > > >> Stay informed about: celica blinkers driving me nuts

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: celica blinkers driving me nuts [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"seeray28(steve)" wrote in message > dont say combination switch, i really dont feel like pulling a steering > wheel on a 200 dollar car. > On the head light/blinker grounds, am I correct in that the center wire of > the connectors is the ground? I think it is but I will test it with the > ohm > meter first. Can I just run another ground wire to the body? Or would I be > better off running a gound to the engine? I do not know offhand which wire in the connector is the ground so yes, the best way is to test. Yes, you can just run another ground wire to the body. Use the same or thicker gauge wire. I would just loosen a nearby bolt or screw, attach a lug connector, and ground it under the bolt/screw head. There is no need to ground it to the engine. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) > "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message > >> >> "seeray28(steve)" wrote in message >> >> > Hey all I have a 1989 celica st, the blinkers are possesed. When I > signal >> > for a left or right turn without the headlights on, all is good. BUT > when >> > I >> > turn on the headlights, the left turn indicator at the dash stays on >> > and >> > stays on, and when I signal left, the blinkers flash REAL fast as if I >> > have >> > a burnt out light bulb.The right side operates normal with or with out > the >> > head lights on. All the bulbs are good and I checked the grounds in the >> > blinker circuit. Im thinking its the flasher element. Any ideas what > could >> > cause this. >> > Thanks >> > Steve >> > >> If the flasher was bad, you would have the same thing on the left and > right >> side. I think that the left side ground is bad or you have a bad bulb. >> Another possibility is the combination switch. You will need a wiring >> diagram to properly diagnose the condition. >> -- >> >> Ray O >> (correct punctuation to reply) >> >> > > >> Stay informed about: celica blinkers driving me nuts

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: celica blinkers driving me nuts [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"seeray28(steve)" wrote in message > Hey all I have a 1989 celica st, the blinkers are possesed. When I signal > for a left or right turn without the headlights on, all is good. BUT when > I > turn on the headlights, the left turn indicator at the dash stays on and > stays on, and when I signal left, the blinkers flash REAL fast as if I > have > a burnt out light bulb.The right side operates normal with or with out the > head lights on. All the bulbs are good and I checked the grounds in the > blinker circuit. Im thinking its the flasher element. Any ideas what could > cause this. > Thanks > Steve > > Did you check the earth for your headlights? >> Stay informed about: celica blinkers driving me nuts

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: celica blinkers driving me nuts [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"seeray28(steve)" wrote in message > Hey all I have a 1989 celica st, the blinkers are possesed. When I signal > for a left or right turn without the headlights on, all is good. BUT when > I > turn on the headlights, the left turn indicator at the dash stays on and > stays on, and when I signal left, the blinkers flash REAL fast as if I > have > a burnt out light bulb.The right side operates normal with or with out the > head lights on. All the bulbs are good and I checked the grounds in the > blinker circuit. Im thinking its the flasher element. Any ideas what could > cause this. > Thanks > Steve > > Did you check the earth for your headlights? >> Stay informed about: celica blinkers driving me nuts

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: celica blinkers driving me nuts [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

well me being smarter than the average bear, I decided to mock up a ground from the battery to the front turn signal assembly. It promptly blew the turn signal fuse. Another thing I noticed was that the rear blinker is on continuously if the head lights are on. Ok now what? Thanks Steve "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message > > "seeray28(steve)" wrote in message > > > dont say combination switch, i really dont feel like pulling a steering > > wheel on a 200 dollar car. > > On the head light/blinker grounds, am I correct in that the center wire of > > the connectors is the ground? I think it is but I will test it with the > > ohm > > meter first. Can I just run another ground wire to the body? Or would I be > > better off running a gound to the engine? > > I do not know offhand which wire in the connector is the ground so yes, the > best way is to test. > > Yes, you can just run another ground wire to the body. Use the same or > thicker gauge wire. I would just loosen a nearby bolt or screw, attach a > lug connector, and ground it under the bolt/screw head. There is no need to > ground it to the engine. > > -- > > Ray O > (correct punctuation to reply) > > > "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message > > > >> > >> "seeray28(steve)" wrote in message > >> > >> > Hey all I have a 1989 celica st, the blinkers are possesed. When I > > signal > >> > for a left or right turn without the headlights on, all is good. BUT > > when > >> > I > >> > turn on the headlights, the left turn indicator at the dash stays on > >> > and > >> > stays on, and when I signal left, the blinkers flash REAL fast as if I > >> > have > >> > a burnt out light bulb.The right side operates normal with or with out > > the > >> > head lights on. All the bulbs are good and I checked the grounds in the > >> > blinker circuit. Im thinking its the flasher element. Any ideas what > > could > >> > cause this. > >> > Thanks > >> > Steve > >> > > >> If the flasher was bad, you would have the same thing on the left and > > right > >> side. I think that the left side ground is bad or you have a bad bulb. > >> Another possibility is the combination switch. You will need a wiring > >> diagram to properly diagnose the condition. > >> -- > >> > >> Ray O > >> (correct punctuation to reply) > >> > >> > > > > > > >> Stay informed about: celica blinkers driving me nuts

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: celica blinkers driving me nuts [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

well me being smarter than the average bear, I decided to mock up a ground from the battery to the front turn signal assembly. It promptly blew the turn signal fuse. Another thing I noticed was that the rear blinker is on continuously if the head lights are on. Ok now what? Thanks Steve "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message > > "seeray28(steve)" wrote in message > > > dont say combination switch, i really dont feel like pulling a steering > > wheel on a 200 dollar car. > > On the head light/blinker grounds, am I correct in that the center wire of > > the connectors is the ground? I think it is but I will test it with the > > ohm > > meter first. Can I just run another ground wire to the body? Or would I be > > better off running a gound to the engine? > > I do not know offhand which wire in the connector is the ground so yes, the > best way is to test. > > Yes, you can just run another ground wire to the body. Use the same or > thicker gauge wire. I would just loosen a nearby bolt or screw, attach a > lug connector, and ground it under the bolt/screw head. There is no need to > ground it to the engine. > > -- > > Ray O > (correct punctuation to reply) > > > "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message > > > >> > >> "seeray28(steve)" wrote in message > >> > >> > Hey all I have a 1989 celica st, the blinkers are possesed. When I > > signal > >> > for a left or right turn without the headlights on, all is good. BUT > > when > >> > I > >> > turn on the headlights, the left turn indicator at the dash stays on > >> > and > >> > stays on, and when I signal left, the blinkers flash REAL fast as if I > >> > have > >> > a burnt out light bulb.The right side operates normal with or with out > > the > >> > head lights on. All the bulbs are good and I checked the grounds in the > >> > blinker circuit. Im thinking its the flasher element. Any ideas what > > could > >> > cause this. > >> > Thanks > >> > Steve > >> > > >> If the flasher was bad, you would have the same thing on the left and > > right > >> side. I think that the left side ground is bad or you have a bad bulb. > >> Another possibility is the combination switch. You will need a wiring > >> diagram to properly diagnose the condition. > >> -- > >> > >> Ray O > >> (correct punctuation to reply) > >> > >> > > > > > > >> Stay informed about: celica blinkers driving me nuts

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