Accord bites the dust

I have an '05 V6 Coupe that seems no matter where or how I drive it 21 is
the best it gets I did see 22.5 on 1 tank though
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop DeleteThis @nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
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> In article <WgXii.21784$tB5.9972@edtnps90>, a <a DeleteThis @a.ca> wrote:
>
>> > Why would you think I'm bending the truth? Do you have different
>> > experiences with a similar car?
>> >
>>
>> Yes.
>
> What's your experience?
>
> Further, if you were one out of 30, for example, who had the bad
> experience, would you insist that the 30 must be lying--because plainly
> your experience is the norm, not an exception?
>
> Why is the world supposed to accept YOUR experience as the norm?
>
> I posted a single datum point: in that particular car, I got that
> mileage. I make no claims otherwise. I don't insist that everyone else
> is getting that.
>
> You have a datum point--but you insist that yours is representative of
> every similar car out there, bar none.
>
> I let my datum point lie there as a number. Others will kick in with
> their experiences. You are part of the others.
>
> If your datum point lies statistically outside where the others lie,
> well, statistics is a well known science.
>
> In the meantime, let's all kick in with our experiences and let the
> reader make up his own mind.
>
> But for some reason, you're all bent out of shape at the idea that
> others have different experiences than you have, and that the readers
> here might not take your experience as the norm. Why does that bother
> you, that someone reading this thread might come away thinking your
> experience was the anomaly?
>
> Please notice that no one here is calling you a liar--unlike you, who is
> calling everyone else a liar. The reader will deduce from that what he
> will. No doubt he will dismiss your datum point and move on.
>
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop DeleteThis @nastydesigns.com> wrote in
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> In article <1183688448.830935.270440 DeleteThis @q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> bob zee <bobzee1 DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 5, 11:03 am, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <e... DeleteThis @nastydesigns.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > <shrug> My datum point is my datum point. If you want to sit and
>> > argue about it, you'll be on your own. Probably with your hands
>> > down your diaper.
>>
>> I am posting my data - i have a 2004 accord coupe with the 2.4 liter
>> four and 5-speed manual. I am a moody person and you can see that in
>> my mileage:
>>
>> http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pEACaHfs_AxA8KQvztfsMNg
>>
>> :~)>
>>
>> bob z.
>> p.s. Elmo, I thought it would be cool to show my proof that this car
>> CAN reach the 35 mpg pinnacle.
>
> Yeah, but don't you know? You just sat down and typed that
> spreadsheet up out of your imagination! That's no proof! No, only
> a's assertion that you're lying is proof!
>
></sarcasm>
>
>

No,if a guy goes to the trouble of compiling his data and posting it,I'm
not gonna accuse him of making it up.
I don't speak for "a",though.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
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Elliot Richmond <xmrichmond.TakeThisOut@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote in
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>
>>
>>Get an 02 EX. That's the last year of that generation, and that was a
>>fantastic car.
>
> Thanks. I will investigate that possibility.
>

Just be aware that fours of that vintage still had a timing belt and the
one you get may soon be due for a belt change.
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Ed wrote:
> Elliot Richmond <xmrichmond.DeleteThis@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote in
> news:lkmn83tk4enof0pie0mtc8k6j2917inicu@4ax.com:
>
>>> Get an 02 EX. That's the last year of that generation, and that was a
>>> fantastic car.
>> Thanks. I will investigate that possibility.
>>
>
> Just be aware that fours of that vintage still had a timing belt and the
> one you get may soon be due for a belt change.
>
i'd take the belt over a chain any day. /any/ day!!! young pups don't
remember the pita that loose chains can be - perhaps that's why they're
suddenly back in fashion - the old farts are retiring from development
teams.
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On Jul 9, 12:38 am, jim beam <spamvor....TakeThisOut@bad.example.net> wrote:
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>
> i'd take the belt over a chain any day. /any/ day!!! young pups don't
> remember the pita that loose chains can be - perhaps that's why they're
> suddenly back in fashion - the old farts are retiring from development
> teams.

not trying to start an argument... i think the actual car make and
model is what determines whether the chain is more of a PITA than the
belt or vice-versa. :~)>

i am pretty sure the chains are coming back in fashion is because of
their increased longevity. this is only a guess on my part, of
course. i do know the chain in my honda is loud, but it sounds cool!

bob z.
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bob zee wrote:
> On Jul 9, 12:38 am, jim beam <spamvor... RemoveThis @bad.example.net> wrote:
> .
>> i'd take the belt over a chain any day. /any/ day!!! young pups don't
>> remember the pita that loose chains can be - perhaps that's why they're
>> suddenly back in fashion - the old farts are retiring from development
>> teams.
>
> not trying to start an argument... i think the actual car make and
> model is what determines whether the chain is more of a PITA than the
> belt or vice-versa. :~)>
>
> i am pretty sure the chains are coming back in fashion is because of
> their increased longevity. this is only a guess on my part, of
> course. i do know the chain in my honda is loud, but it sounds cool!
>
> bob z.
>
belts don't stretch and therefore offer much better long term precision
for valve timing. besides, you only need to change a belt every 100,000
miles!!!
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"bob zee" <bobzee1.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 9, 12:38 am, jim beam <spamvor....TakeThisOut@bad.example.net> wrote:
> .
>>
>> i'd take the belt over a chain any day. /any/ day!!! young pups don't
>> remember the pita that loose chains can be - perhaps that's why they're
>> suddenly back in fashion - the old farts are retiring from development
>> teams.
>
> not trying to start an argument... i think the actual car make and
> model is what determines whether the chain is more of a PITA than the
> belt or vice-versa. :~)>
>
> i am pretty sure the chains are coming back in fashion is because of
> their increased longevity. this is only a guess on my part, of
> course. i do know the chain in my honda is loud, but it sounds cool!
>
> bob z.
>
>
I think that's the case. I don't know what the difference is, but I recall
when chains had a shorter service life than belts do today. My Prius has a
chain and there is no recommended service interval for the chain; in the
Prius forums I frequent there are several people who have passed the 200K
mile mark and I have yet to hear of chain problems. In contrast, the '84
Dodge 600 I had with a Mitsubishi engine was not worth repairing when the
timing and balance chains needed to be replaced around 100K. One of them was
chewing on the chain cover. First step: remove engine to allow access to the
timing chain cover.

Mike
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bob zee wrote:

> On Jul 9, 12:38 am, jim beam <spamvor....TakeThisOut@bad.example.net> wrote:
> .
>>
>> i'd take the belt over a chain any day. /any/ day!!! young pups don't
>> remember the pita that loose chains can be - perhaps that's why they're
>> suddenly back in fashion - the old farts are retiring from development
>> teams.
>
> not trying to start an argument... i think the actual car make and
> model is what determines whether the chain is more of a PITA than the
> belt or vice-versa. :~)>
>
> i am pretty sure the chains are coming back in fashion is because of
> their increased longevity. this is only a guess on my part, of
> course. i do know the chain in my honda is loud, but it sounds cool!
>
> bob z.

I agree that it does depend on the manufacturer. Toyota 4-bangers have had
chains for about 10 years now, and I am not aware of any problems with
those. On the other hand, I've heard of some 1st-gen Ford Escorts whose
timing belts broke well within the specified interval.
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High Tech Misfit wrote:
> bob zee wrote:
>
>> On Jul 9, 12:38 am, jim beam <spamvor... DeleteThis @bad.example.net> wrote:
>> .
>>> i'd take the belt over a chain any day. /any/ day!!! young pups don't
>>> remember the pita that loose chains can be - perhaps that's why they're
>>> suddenly back in fashion - the old farts are retiring from development
>>> teams.
>> not trying to start an argument... i think the actual car make and
>> model is what determines whether the chain is more of a PITA than the
>> belt or vice-versa. :~)>
>>
>> i am pretty sure the chains are coming back in fashion is because of
>> their increased longevity. this is only a guess on my part, of
>> course. i do know the chain in my honda is loud, but it sounds cool!
>>
>> bob z.
>
> I agree that it does depend on the manufacturer. Toyota 4-bangers have had
> chains for about 10 years now, and I am not aware of any problems with
> those. On the other hand, I've heard of some 1st-gen Ford Escorts whose
> timing belts broke well within the specified interval.

I'll third that one... my dad bought an '81 Dodge pickup brand new, with
a chain-timed Slant 6 (incredible, indestructible engine)... retired it
in '87 wth 450,000+km. Timing chain was so stretched it was constantly
rubbing on the inside of its cover, but it just kept on going, never a
problem with it.

My '80 GLC had a chain as well... its eventual death by chain slippage
was my own stupid fault for not tensioning it properly after a
head-gasket change.

Conversely, my three '87 Accords have never had timing belt problems...
put well over 300,000km on my first one with only changing the belt
once, and even that was only because I had to change the water pump anyway.
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