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Brian Nystrom wrote:

> While I'm all for reducing noise pollution, if the innocuous chirp from
> an alarm system is "alarming" to you, I daresay the the problem is you,
> not the chirp. If noise is such a problem for you, you should move to a
> more remote area where the ambient noise level is lower. All the
> complaining in the world is not going to significantly reduce noise
> levels in a city. Cities are what they are and no one is obligated to
> accommodate you.

It's not innocuous when it's right outside my bedroom, focused by the
alley. Cities can be quiet, too. People should not have to put up with
abuse because they live in a city. Let's say that your neighbor comes
home at 3:00 AM when you're sleeping and lets out a war-whoop locking
the car door. People do that. Or, since you posted about motorcycles,
how about the guy who blasts past your house at 3:00 AM with their
Harley. It's all unwanted noise. In that case, since you are bothered by
loud bikes, that one's your problem, too.

Richard
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Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>
>> Actually, I'm on target. You see, I after my Ford was smashed up by a
>> drunk, I rented a Hyundai Elantra to try it on. And, indeed, I set off
>> the alarm from far away by accident. My causing a cacophony of whoops
>> and blasts in the parking lot was caused by the remote's design, as
>> well as the system's switching. The design of the system -- the
>> lock/alarm/remote together is stupid, and this went the same way for
>> the next car: a Ford Focus (the Hyundai was defective so I swapped it
>> at Hertz).
>
>
>
> So because YOU screwed up and set of the alarm, the system is "stupid".
> I beg to differ. It works just fine and it's silent unless you press the
> lock button twice or hit the alarm button. Figuring out the remote is
> NOT rocket science.
>

Uh, Brian, please read my material more carefully before you put me
down. I posted about the bad human engineering of the confirmation
circuitry, which causes people to almost always press the button twice;
and whoop it up because they can't see the confirmation from the first
silent press.

Read the following paragraphs. Again. You quoted them, you know.

>>
>> The issue is that most people actually press the button twice -- and
>> sound the horn, or crazy box, because there's no visible confirmation
>> of the first press. On the Ford and a GM car, I noticed that when you
>> _unlock_ the car, it flashes the headlights. So far, so good.
>>
>> But when you _lock_ the car, you don't know because all it does is
>> blink the dome light. Now, when in the world are you going to notice
>> _that?_ So, you think that nothing happened, and you press again and
>> whoop 'n blast everyone in the neighborhood.
>>
>> The mindless stupidity of the designers, and then the slavish copying
>> of what's already been done leads to lots of unwanted bleeping,
>> squawking, honking, angry electo-chirps.
>
>
> So what does that have to do with Hyundai? The Hyundai system doesn't
> work that way. If you want to bitch about other cars, there are
> appropriate forums to do so. This is not it.
>

The Hyundai that I rented worked this way.
>
> You hit the panic button ONCE, so it's a bad design? Give me a break!
> The panic button is there and readily accessible for good reason.
>
It is too easy to hit by accident.

>> One of my work hats has been closely involved with human engineering
>> (computers, mostly). And I'm amazed by how much people with brains
>> overlook sensible accommodations and common sense when they design
>> things.
>
>
> Sure, that's a problem with a lot of products. However, just because one
> of us doesn't like something, it doesn't mean that it's a poor design or
> that most other people aren't happy with it.
>

It's a thoughtless design that annoys other people. Annoying other
people isn't cool, even if your attitude is "What's wrong with you: get
a life." That's insulting, Bryan. It happens that many people are
disturbed by unneccessary noise pollution. Just like you are with
motorcycles. Hey, Bryan: what's wrong with you? I love the sound of
loud-as-hell motorcycles. I'm going to part outside your house and revv
my motorcycle: Vroom, Vroom, Bryan! Deal with it. Get a life!

>> Here's a guy who was interested enough to ask, and I'm more impressed
>> that he did than by his gramatical slip. Many engineers I've met
>> aren't as aware -- they just want their designs to function, and off
>> to the next project.
>
>
> What gramatical error are you talking about?
>

"...would like to here..."

Richard
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:56:35 -0700, Richard Steinfeld
<rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS RemoveThis @sonic.net> wrote:

>Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually, I'm on target. You see, I after my Ford was smashed up by a
>>> drunk, I rented a Hyundai Elantra to try it on. And, indeed, I set off
>>> the alarm from far away by accident. My causing a cacophony of whoops
>>> and blasts in the parking lot was caused by the remote's design, as
>>> well as the system's switching. The design of the system -- the
>>> lock/alarm/remote together is stupid, and this went the same way for
>>> the next car: a Ford Focus (the Hyundai was defective so I swapped it
>>> at Hertz).
>>
>>
>>
>> So because YOU screwed up and set of the alarm, the system is "stupid".
>> I beg to differ. It works just fine and it's silent unless you press the
>> lock button twice or hit the alarm button. Figuring out the remote is
>> NOT rocket science.
>>
>
>Uh, Brian, please read my material more carefully before you put me
>down. I posted about the bad human engineering of the confirmation
>circuitry, which causes people to almost always press the button twice;
>and whoop it up because they can't see the confirmation from the first
>silent press.
>
>Read the following paragraphs. Again. You quoted them, you know.
>
>>>
>>> The issue is that most people actually press the button twice -- and
>>> sound the horn, or crazy box, because there's no visible confirmation
>>> of the first press. On the Ford and a GM car, I noticed that when you
>>> _unlock_ the car, it flashes the headlights. So far, so good.
>>>
>>> But when you _lock_ the car, you don't know because all it does is
>>> blink the dome light. Now, when in the world are you going to notice
>>> _that?_ So, you think that nothing happened, and you press again and
>>> whoop 'n blast everyone in the neighborhood.
>>>
>>> The mindless stupidity of the designers, and then the slavish copying
>>> of what's already been done leads to lots of unwanted bleeping,
>>> squawking, honking, angry electo-chirps.
>>
>>
>> So what does that have to do with Hyundai? The Hyundai system doesn't
>> work that way. If you want to bitch about other cars, there are
>> appropriate forums to do so. This is not it.
>>
>
>The Hyundai that I rented worked this way.
>>
>> You hit the panic button ONCE, so it's a bad design? Give me a break!
>> The panic button is there and readily accessible for good reason.
>>
>It is too easy to hit by accident.
>
>>> One of my work hats has been closely involved with human engineering
>>> (computers, mostly). And I'm amazed by how much people with brains
>>> overlook sensible accommodations and common sense when they design
>>> things.
>>
>>
>> Sure, that's a problem with a lot of products. However, just because one
>> of us doesn't like something, it doesn't mean that it's a poor design or
>> that most other people aren't happy with it.
>>
>
>It's a thoughtless design that annoys other people. Annoying other
>people isn't cool, even if your attitude is "What's wrong with you: get
>a life." That's insulting, Bryan. It happens that many people are
>disturbed by unneccessary noise pollution. Just like you are with
>motorcycles. Hey, Bryan: what's wrong with you? I love the sound of
>loud-as-hell motorcycles. I'm going to part outside your house and revv
>my motorcycle: Vroom, Vroom, Bryan! Deal with it. Get a life!
>
>>> Here's a guy who was interested enough to ask, and I'm more impressed
>>> that he did than by his gramatical slip. Many engineers I've met
>>> aren't as aware -- they just want their designs to function, and off
>>> to the next project.
>>
>>
>> What gramatical error are you talking about?
>>
>
>"...would like to here..."
>
>Richard


I only use the audible alert to tell me the doors locked. I like it.
I don't really care at all if you don't.
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Richard Steinfeld wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>>> Actually, I'm on target. You see, I after my Ford was smashed up by a
>>> drunk, I rented a Hyundai Elantra to try it on. And, indeed, I set
>>> off the alarm from far away by accident. My causing a cacophony of
>>> whoops and blasts in the parking lot was caused by the remote's
>>> design, as well as the system's switching. The design of the system
>>> -- the lock/alarm/remote together is stupid, and this went the same
>>> way for the next car: a Ford Focus (the Hyundai was defective so I
>>> swapped it at Hertz).
>>
>> So because YOU screwed up and set of the alarm, the system is
>> "stupid". I beg to differ. It works just fine and it's silent unless
>> you press the lock button twice or hit the alarm button. Figuring out
>> the remote is NOT rocket science.
>
> Uh, Brian, please read my material more carefully before you put me
> down. I posted about the bad human engineering of the confirmation
> circuitry, which causes people to almost always press the button twice;
> and whoop it up because they can't see the confirmation from the first
> silent press.

You're making assumptions and touting them as facts. You have no idea
how often people press their remote buttons twice. Judging by your other
responses, once it too much. Intolerance will get you nowhere.

> Read the following paragraphs. Again. You quoted them, you know.
>
>>> The issue is that most people actually press the button twice -- and
>>> sound the horn, or crazy box, because there's no visible confirmation
>>> of the first press. On the Ford and a GM car, I noticed that when you
>>> _unlock_ the car, it flashes the headlights. So far, so good.
>>>
>>> But when you _lock_ the car, you don't know because all it does is
>>> blink the dome light. Now, when in the world are you going to notice
>>> _that?_ So, you think that nothing happened, and you press again and
>>> whoop 'n blast everyone in the neighborhood.
>>>
>>> The mindless stupidity of the designers, and then the slavish copying
>>> of what's already been done leads to lots of unwanted bleeping,
>>> squawking, honking, angry electo-chirps.
>>
>> So what does that have to do with Hyundai? The Hyundai system doesn't
>> work that way. If you want to bitch about other cars, there are
>> appropriate forums to do so. This is not it.
>>
>
> The Hyundai that I rented worked this way.

Current Hyundais do not.

>> You hit the panic button ONCE, so it's a bad design? Give me a break!
>> The panic button is there and readily accessible for good reason.
>>
> It is too easy to hit by accident.

Really? I think I've hit it exactly once in the 15 months I've had the
car and that was in my garage. That's hardly a problem.

>>> One of my work hats has been closely involved with human engineering
>>> (computers, mostly). And I'm amazed by how much people with brains
>>> overlook sensible accommodations and common sense when they design
>>> things.
>>
>> Sure, that's a problem with a lot of products. However, just because
>> one of us doesn't like something, it doesn't mean that it's a poor
>> design or that most other people aren't happy with it.
>
> It's a thoughtless design that annoys other people.

No, it annoys you. Do you see anyone else here complaining?

> Annoying other
> people isn't cool, even if your attitude is "What's wrong with you: get
> a life." That's insulting, Bryan. It happens that many people are
> disturbed by unneccessary noise pollution. Just like you are with
> motorcycles. Hey, Bryan: what's wrong with you? I love the sound of
> loud-as-hell motorcycles. I'm going to part outside your house and revv
> my motorcycle: Vroom, Vroom, Bryan! Deal with it. Get a life!

If it gets to the point that I can't stand it, I'll do something about
it, even if it means moving. I've already done something about idiot
kids that drive by with their bass booming. The town I live in has noise
abatement ordinances and the police will enforce them when complaints
are filed. That's the way you deal with such things, not by complaining
about them in a forum.
>
>>> Here's a guy who was interested enough to ask, and I'm more impressed
>>> that he did than by his gramatical slip. Many engineers I've met
>>> aren't as aware -- they just want their designs to function, and off
>>> to the next project.
>>
>> What gramatical error are you talking about?
>
> "...would like to here..."

And that's significant?
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Brian Nystrom wrote:
> Richard Steinfeld wrote:
>
>> joe wrote:
>>
>>> I am working on the design of remotes here at Rochester Institute of
>>> Technolgy and would like to here from some Hyundai owners.
>>>
>>
>> Right away, put major attention into making these goddamn systems
>> silent! These products have been designed by people who are
>> thoughtless, arrogant, and stupid. I detest being forced to endure all
>> the beeps and whoops coming from people getting in and out of their
>> cars! Make the systems announce status with lights only, and
>> absolutely no audio whatsoever unless someone is actually breaking
>> into the car.
>
>
> The Hyundai system IS completely silent, other than the sound of the
> locks actuating. It only chirps if you press the lock button twice,
> which isn't necessary in order to arm the system. The second press
> simply gives an audible confirmation of locking an arming for those who
> feel they need it.
>
> BTW, Joe's question was about the remote itself, which has nothing to do
> with whether the system is silent or not.

My 2004 Sonata LX doesn't ever chirp even if I push the lock button twice.
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Bob wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Richard Steinfeld wrote:
>>
>>> joe wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am working on the design of remotes here at Rochester Institute of
>>>> Technolgy and would like to here from some Hyundai owners.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Right away, put major attention into making these goddamn systems
>>> silent! These products have been designed by people who are
>>> thoughtless, arrogant, and stupid. I detest being forced to endure
>>> all the beeps and whoops coming from people getting in and out of
>>> their cars! Make the systems announce status with lights only, and
>>> absolutely no audio whatsoever unless someone is actually breaking
>>> into the car.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Hyundai system IS completely silent, other than the sound of the
>> locks actuating. It only chirps if you press the lock button twice,
>> which isn't necessary in order to arm the system. The second press
>> simply gives an audible confirmation of locking an arming for those
>> who feel they need it.
>>
>> BTW, Joe's question was about the remote itself, which has nothing to
>> do with whether the system is silent or not.
>
>
> My 2004 Sonata LX doesn't ever chirp even if I push the lock button twice.

Maybe it's broken? Regardless, you should sell it to Richard!
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