What did I fry?

"Jim Tiberio" <jimtiberio DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I went away for a few days and when I returned I found my Lexus ES300 had a
>dead battery. When I went to hook up the jumper cables I hit the positive
>post with the negative cable. At least, that is what I assume because
>there was a spark. I got the cables on properly and the car fired right
>up. It also has held the charge just fine for the past two days and still
>starts right up. The problem is the instrument panels and accessories
>don't work. I can't even get the car car out of park. Did that brief
>contact cause this? Any suggestions or help?
>

Did you check the fuses?
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Jim Tiberio wrote:
> I went away for a few days and when I returned I found my Lexus ES300
> had a dead battery. When I went to hook up the jumper cables I hit
> the positive post with the negative cable. At least, that is what I
> assume because there was a spark. I got the cables on properly and
> the car fired right up. It also has held the charge just fine for
> the past two days and still starts right up. The problem is the
> instrument panels and accessories don't work. I can't even get the
> car car out of park. Did that brief contact cause this? Any
> suggestions or help?

A hard one since there would've been a spark anyway. Also, it's hard to
tell, from your description, how you made the connections.
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> In article <3j0isiFnnu22U1 DeleteThis @individual.net> "Jim Tiberio"
> <jimtiberio DeleteThis @hotmail.com> writes:
>
>>I went away for a few days and when I returned I found my Lexus ES300 had
>>a
>>dead battery. When I went to hook up the jumper cables I hit the positive
>>post with the negative cable. At least, that is what I assume because
>>there
>>was a spark. I got the cables on properly and the car fired right up. It
>>also has held the charge just fine for the past two days and still starts
>>right up. The problem is the instrument panels and accessories don't
>>work.
>>I can't even get the car car out of park. Did that brief contact cause
>>this?
>
> Probably
>
>>Any suggestions or help?
>
> Just a guess that a tow to your friendly neighborhood Lexus dealership is
> probably in order. If out of warranty, you'll need to have your checkbook
> handy.
>
>

I would check the fuses before calling that tow truck.
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 19:20:03 -0400, "Jim Tiberio"
<jimtiberio DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

>I went away for a few days and when I returned I found my Lexus ES300 had a
>dead battery. When I went to hook up the jumper cables I hit the positive
>post with the negative cable. At least, that is what I assume because there
>was a spark. I got the cables on properly and the car fired right up. It
>also has held the charge just fine for the past two days and still starts
>right up. The problem is the instrument panels and accessories don't work.
>I can't even get the car car out of park. Did that brief contact cause
>this? Any suggestions or help?

From the description of "car starts and runs, but instruments and
accessories out" I'll bet you popped one or more fuses. And yes, a
short burst of backwards jumper cable power can easily do that, and
screw up other stuff, too. Get a test light and start checking.

And there is an interlock solenoid on the shifter so you have to
press the brakes before shifting out of park. No brakelight fuse = no
power to the interlock solenoid = no shifting out of park...

Read the owners manual on the transmission shifter, there's usually
a way to bypass that brake-pedal lockout so you can drive the car to a
mechanic. You may have to take a little trim cover off the shift
handle or center console, and stick a pencil in the hole to push in
the solenoid plunger by hand.

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"Jim Tiberio" <jimtiberio.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I went away for a few days and when I returned I found my Lexus ES300 had a
>dead battery. When I went to hook up the jumper cables I hit the positive
>post with the negative cable. At least, that is what I assume because
>there was a spark. I got the cables on properly and the car fired right
>up. It also has held the charge just fine for the past two days and still
>starts right up. The problem is the instrument panels and accessories
>don't work. I can't even get the car car out of park. Did that brief
>contact cause this? Any suggestions or help?
>

You have blown the main fusible link in the fuse box under the hood. I
would guess this is probably a 100A one. Pop the fuse box lid off under the
hood, close to the battery. There should be a few large fuses there with
clear plastic see-thru tops that allow you to inspect the fuse element. One
of those has blown. This will disable all of your accessories, including
the brake lights. In order to shift out of park, the safety interlock is
looking for voltage on the brake line wire, since there is none, the
interlock will not release the shifter from the P position.

The cables are bolted to these big fusible links from underneath, not just
plugged in. Disconnect your battery and push or pull the blown fusible link
until you can access the fasteners. Replace it (you can get these at Pep
Boys for a few dollars) with a new one, snap it back into the fuse box and
reconnect your battery. Most of your accessories and brake lights should
now be working again.

More than likely you have also blown a couple of other fuses so check all of
your equipment and for anything that is found not to be working, investigate
the fuses. My daughter crossed the jumpers on her Toyota and caused all the
same symptoms you mention. In addition to the main fusible link, the EFI
and radio fuses were blown as well as one of the dash lights. Good luck.


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"FanJet" <FanJet27 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

>Jim Tiberio wrote:
>> I went away for a few days and when I returned I found my Lexus ES300
>> had a dead battery. When I went to hook up the jumper cables I hit
>> the positive post with the negative cable. At least, that is what I
>> assume because there was a spark. I got the cables on properly and
>> the car fired right up. It also has held the charge just fine for
>> the past two days and still starts right up. The problem is the
>> instrument panels and accessories don't work. I can't even get the
>> car car out of park. Did that brief contact cause this? Any
>> suggestions or help?
>
>A hard one since there would've been a spark anyway. Also, it's hard to
>tell, from your description, how you made the connections.
>
Well, IMO, it's really not very healthy for modern cars to be
'reversed' and especially not when it has a dead battery...you're
much less liable to damage anything if the battery has a fair
charge in it...but then you wouldn't likely to be boosting it
would you?... Sounds like maybe you popped a current limiter?.

Look all your fuses over and take a volt-meter (or an ohmmeter)
to your current limiters...good luck...
--


-Gord.

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and it must be working 'cause I'm
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> > Just a guess that a tow to your friendly neighborhood Lexus dealership is
> > probably in order. If out of warranty, you'll need to have your checkbook
> > handy.
> >
> >
>
> I would check the fuses before calling that tow truck.

Too damn right, check all the obvious things first, THEN take it to
someone if you still have no idea.

J
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"Jeff Bertrand" <wjbertrand.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Jim Tiberio" <jimtiberio.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >I went away for a few days and when I returned I found my Lexus ES300 had
a
> >dead battery. When I went to hook up the jumper cables I hit the
positive
> >post with the negative cable. At least, that is what I assume because
> >there was a spark. I got the cables on properly and the car fired right
> >up. It also has held the charge just fine for the past two days and
still
> >starts right up. The problem is the instrument panels and accessories
> >don't work. I can't even get the car car out of park. Did that brief
> >contact cause this? Any suggestions or help?
> >
>
> You have blown the main fusible link in the fuse box under the hood. I
> would guess this is probably a 100A one. Pop the fuse box lid off under
the
> hood, close to the battery. There should be a few large fuses there with
> clear plastic see-thru tops that allow you to inspect the fuse element.
One
> of those has blown. This will disable all of your accessories, including
> the brake lights. In order to shift out of park, the safety interlock is
> looking for voltage on the brake line wire, since there is none, the
> interlock will not release the shifter from the P position.
>
> The cables are bolted to these big fusible links from underneath, not just
> plugged in. Disconnect your battery and push or pull the blown fusible
link
> until you can access the fasteners. Replace it (you can get these at Pep
> Boys for a few dollars) with a new one, snap it back into the fuse box and
> reconnect your battery. Most of your accessories and brake lights should
> now be working again.
>
> More than likely you have also blown a couple of other fuses so check all
of
> your equipment and for anything that is found not to be working,
investigate
> the fuses. My daughter crossed the jumpers on her Toyota and caused all
the
> same symptoms you mention. In addition to the main fusible link, the EFI
> and radio fuses were blown as well as one of the dash lights. Good luck.
>
First of all, thank you to everyone who replied. With all of the beaters I
had in high school and college I did a lot of jump starting. I can't
believe I've never made a mistake like this before. Anyways, I'll look into
your suggestions first, hopefully tonight.
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"Jeff Bertrand" <wjbertrand.RemoveThis@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "Jim Tiberio" <jimtiberio.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3j0isiFnnu22U1@individual.net...
>>I went away for a few days and when I returned I found my Lexus ES300 had
>>a dead battery. When I went to hook up the jumper cables I hit the
>>positive post with the negative cable. At least, that is what I assume
>>because there was a spark. I got the cables on properly and the car fired
>>right up. It also has held the charge just fine for the past two days and
>>still starts right up. The problem is the instrument panels and
>>accessories don't work. I can't even get the car car out of park. Did
>>that brief contact cause this? Any suggestions or help?
>>
>
> You have blown the main fusible link in the fuse box under the hood. I
> would guess this is probably a 100A one. Pop the fuse box lid off under
> the hood, close to the battery. There should be a few large fuses there
> with clear plastic see-thru tops that allow you to inspect the fuse
> element. One of those has blown. This will disable all of your
> accessories, including the brake lights. In order to shift out of park,
> the safety interlock is looking for voltage on the brake line wire, since
> there is none, the interlock will not release the shifter from the P
> position.
>
> The cables are bolted to these big fusible links from underneath, not just
> plugged in. Disconnect your battery and push or pull the blown fusible
> link until you can access the fasteners. Replace it (you can get these at
> Pep Boys for a few dollars) with a new one, snap it back into the fuse box
> and reconnect your battery. Most of your accessories and brake lights
> should now be working again.

Looks as if you are correct, I popped the lid and staring me in the face was
a blown 100A fuse. Problem is that when I pulled the fuse only the housing
came off, the 'legs' remained I assume welded in there. Uggh

> More than likely you have also blown a couple of other fuses so check all
> of your equipment and for anything that is found not to be working,
> investigate the fuses. My daughter crossed the jumpers on her Toyota and
> caused all the same symptoms you mention. In addition to the main fusible
> link, the EFI and radio fuses were blown as well as one of the dash
> lights. Good luck.
>
>
> --
> -WJB
>
>
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"Jim Tiberio" <jimtiberio DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Bertrand" <wjbertrand DeleteThis @NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> "Jim Tiberio" <jimtiberio DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>I went away for a few days and when I returned I found my Lexus ES300 had
>>>a dead battery. When I went to hook up the jumper cables I hit the
>>>positive post with the negative cable. At least, that is what I assume
>>>because there was a spark. I got the cables on properly and the car
>>>fired right up. It also has held the charge just fine for the past two
>>>days and still starts right up. The problem is the instrument panels and
>>>accessories don't work. I can't even get the car car out of park. Did
>>>that brief contact cause this? Any suggestions or help?
>>>
>>
>> You have blown the main fusible link in the fuse box under the hood. I
>> would guess this is probably a 100A one. Pop the fuse box lid off under
>> the hood, close to the battery. There should be a few large fuses there
>> with clear plastic see-thru tops that allow you to inspect the fuse
>> element. One of those has blown. This will disable all of your
>> accessories, including the brake lights. In order to shift out of park,
>> the safety interlock is looking for voltage on the brake line wire, since
>> there is none, the interlock will not release the shifter from the P
>> position.
>>
>> The cables are bolted to these big fusible links from underneath, not
>> just plugged in. Disconnect your battery and push or pull the blown
>> fusible link until you can access the fasteners. Replace it (you can get
>> these at Pep Boys for a few dollars) with a new one, snap it back into
>> the fuse box and reconnect your battery. Most of your accessories and
>> brake lights should now be working again.
>
> Looks as if you are correct, I popped the lid and staring me in the face
> was a blown 100A fuse. Problem is that when I pulled the fuse only the
> housing came off, the 'legs' remained I assume welded in there. Uggh
>
>> More than likely you have also blown a couple of other fuses so check all
>> of your equipment and for anything that is found not to be working,
>> investigate the fuses. My daughter crossed the jumpers on her Toyota and
>> caused all the same symptoms you mention. In addition to the main
>> fusible link, the EFI and radio fuses were blown as well as one of the
>> dash lights. Good luck.
>>


Yup, that's what I thought. That big fuse is bolted to it's cables. You
can't just unplug it. It should be possible to push the fuse out of the
bottom of the box (you may have to loosen up the bolts holding the box to
gain a little access) with its cables still attached so that you can get at
them with a small wrench. CAUTION - be sure to disconnect the battery
before messing with this!
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> "Jim Tiberio" <jimtiberio.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Jeff Bertrand" <wjbertrand.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Jim Tiberio" <jimtiberio.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:3j0isiFnnu22U1@individual.net...
>>>>I went away for a few days and when I returned I found my Lexus ES300
>>>>had a dead battery. When I went to hook up the jumper cables I hit the
>>>>positive post with the negative cable. At least, that is what I assume
>>>>because there was a spark. I got the cables on properly and the car
>>>>fired right up. It also has held the charge just fine for the past two
>>>>days and still starts right up. The problem is the instrument panels
>>>>and accessories don't work. I can't even get the car car out of park.
>>>>Did that brief contact cause this? Any suggestions or help?
>>>>
>>>
>>> You have blown the main fusible link in the fuse box under the hood. I
>>> would guess this is probably a 100A one. Pop the fuse box lid off under
>>> the hood, close to the battery. There should be a few large fuses there
>>> with clear plastic see-thru tops that allow you to inspect the fuse
>>> element. One of those has blown. This will disable all of your
>>> accessories, including the brake lights. In order to shift out of park,
>>> the safety interlock is looking for voltage on the brake line wire,
>>> since there is none, the interlock will not release the shifter from the
>>> P position.
>>>
>>> The cables are bolted to these big fusible links from underneath, not
>>> just plugged in. Disconnect your battery and push or pull the blown
>>> fusible link until you can access the fasteners. Replace it (you can
>>> get these at Pep Boys for a few dollars) with a new one, snap it back
>>> into the fuse box and reconnect your battery. Most of your accessories
>>> and brake lights should now be working again.
>>
>> Looks as if you are correct, I popped the lid and staring me in the face
>> was a blown 100A fuse. Problem is that when I pulled the fuse only the
>> housing came off, the 'legs' remained I assume welded in there. Uggh
>>
>>> More than likely you have also blown a couple of other fuses so check
>>> all of your equipment and for anything that is found not to be working,
>>> investigate the fuses. My daughter crossed the jumpers on her Toyota
>>> and caused all the same symptoms you mention. In addition to the main
>>> fusible link, the EFI and radio fuses were blown as well as one of the
>>> dash lights. Good luck.
>>>
>
>
> Yup, that's what I thought. That big fuse is bolted to it's cables. You
> can't just unplug it. It should be possible to push the fuse out of the
> bottom of the box (you may have to loosen up the bolts holding the box to
> gain a little access) with its cables still attached so that you can get
> at them with a small wrench. CAUTION - be sure to disconnect the battery
> before messing with this!
> --
I was able to disconnect the box from the sidewall, I just can't get any
access!
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"Jim Tiberio" <jimtiberio.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Jim Tiberio" <jimtiberio.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Jeff Bertrand" <wjbertrand.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> "Jim Tiberio" <jimtiberio.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:3j0isiFnnu22U1@individual.net...
>>>>>I went away for a few days and when I returned I found my Lexus ES300
>>>>>had a dead battery. When I went to hook up the jumper cables I hit the
>>>>>positive post with the negative cable. At least, that is what I assume
>>>>>because there was a spark. I got the cables on properly and the car
>>>>>fired right up. It also has held the charge just fine for the past two
>>>>>days and still starts right up. The problem is the instrument panels
>>>>>and accessories don't work. I can't even get the car car out of park.
>>>>>Did that brief contact cause this? Any suggestions or help?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You have blown the main fusible link in the fuse box under the hood. I
>>>> would guess this is probably a 100A one. Pop the fuse box lid off
>>>> under the hood, close to the battery. There should be a few large
>>>> fuses there with clear plastic see-thru tops that allow you to inspect
>>>> the fuse element. One of those has blown. This will disable all of
>>>> your accessories, including the brake lights. In order to shift out of
>>>> park, the safety interlock is looking for voltage on the brake line
>>>> wire, since there is none, the interlock will not release the shifter
>>>> from the P position.
>>>>
>>>> The cables are bolted to these big fusible links from underneath, not
>>>> just plugged in. Disconnect your battery and push or pull the blown
>>>> fusible link until you can access the fasteners. Replace it (you can
>>>> get these at Pep Boys for a few dollars) with a new one, snap it back
>>>> into the fuse box and reconnect your battery. Most of your accessories
>>>> and brake lights should now be working again.
>>>
>>> Looks as if you are correct, I popped the lid and staring me in the face
>>> was a blown 100A fuse. Problem is that when I pulled the fuse only the
>>> housing came off, the 'legs' remained I assume welded in there. Uggh
>>>
>>>> More than likely you have also blown a couple of other fuses so check
>>>> all of your equipment and for anything that is found not to be working,
>>>> investigate the fuses. My daughter crossed the jumpers on her Toyota
>>>> and caused all the same symptoms you mention. In addition to the main
>>>> fusible link, the EFI and radio fuses were blown as well as one of the
>>>> dash lights. Good luck.
>>>>
>>
>>
>> Yup, that's what I thought. That big fuse is bolted to it's cables. You
>> can't just unplug it. It should be possible to push the fuse out of the
>> bottom of the box (you may have to loosen up the bolts holding the box to
>> gain a little access) with its cables still attached so that you can get
>> at them with a small wrench. CAUTION - be sure to disconnect the battery
>> before messing with this!
>> --
> I was able to disconnect the box from the sidewall, I just can't get any
> access!

You're going to have to get the blown fuse, wires attached still, clear of
the box. In my case it pushes out through the bottom but I recall using a
screwdriver or some such to release the little retention tabs. Without
seeing your exact situation, (I have an IS300, which I think is the
same.....), I can't say for sure.
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> >>
> >> "Jim Tiberio" <jimtiberio.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >>>
> >>> "Jeff Bertrand" <wjbertrand.DeleteThis@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
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> >>>>
> >>>> "Jim Tiberio" <jimtiberio.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:3j0isiFnnu22U1@individual.net...
> >>>>>I went away for a few days and when I returned I found my Lexus ES300
> >>>>>had a dead battery. When I went to hook up the jumper cables I hit
the
> >>>>>positive post with the negative cable. At least, that is what I
assume
> >>>>>because there was a spark. I got the cables on properly and the car
> >>>>>fired right up. It also has held the charge just fine for the past
two
> >>>>>days and still starts right up. The problem is the instrument panels
> >>>>>and accessories don't work. I can't even get the car car out of park.
> >>>>>Did that brief contact cause this? Any suggestions or help?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> You have blown the main fusible link in the fuse box under the hood.
I
> >>>> would guess this is probably a 100A one. Pop the fuse box lid off
> >>>> under the hood, close to the battery. There should be a few large
> >>>> fuses there with clear plastic see-thru tops that allow you to
inspect
> >>>> the fuse element. One of those has blown. This will disable all of
> >>>> your accessories, including the brake lights. In order to shift out
of
> >>>> park, the safety interlock is looking for voltage on the brake line
> >>>> wire, since there is none, the interlock will not release the shifter
> >>>> from the P position.
> >>>>
> >>>> The cables are bolted to these big fusible links from underneath, not
> >>>> just plugged in. Disconnect your battery and push or pull the blown
> >>>> fusible link until you can access the fasteners. Replace it (you can
> >>>> get these at Pep Boys for a few dollars) with a new one, snap it back
> >>>> into the fuse box and reconnect your battery. Most of your
accessories
> >>>> and brake lights should now be working again.
> >>>
> >>> Looks as if you are correct, I popped the lid and staring me in the
face
> >>> was a blown 100A fuse. Problem is that when I pulled the fuse only
the
> >>> housing came off, the 'legs' remained I assume welded in there. Uggh
> >>>
> >>>> More than likely you have also blown a couple of other fuses so check
> >>>> all of your equipment and for anything that is found not to be
working,
> >>>> investigate the fuses. My daughter crossed the jumpers on her Toyota
> >>>> and caused all the same symptoms you mention. In addition to the
main
> >>>> fusible link, the EFI and radio fuses were blown as well as one of
the
> >>>> dash lights. Good luck.
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yup, that's what I thought. That big fuse is bolted to it's cables.
You
> >> can't just unplug it. It should be possible to push the fuse out of
the
> >> bottom of the box (you may have to loosen up the bolts holding the box
to
> >> gain a little access) with its cables still attached so that you can
get
> >> at them with a small wrench. CAUTION - be sure to disconnect the
battery
> >> before messing with this!
> >> --
> > I was able to disconnect the box from the sidewall, I just can't get any
> > access!
>
> You're going to have to get the blown fuse, wires attached still, clear of
> the box. In my case it pushes out through the bottom but I recall using a
> screwdriver or some such to release the little retention tabs. Without
> seeing your exact situation, (I have an IS300, which I think is the
> same.....), I can't say for sure.
>
Looks like someone already mauled the little retention tabs, thanks for the
help, I may need to give up on being too stubborn to pay the dealer for
something so small.
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