Alfa engine for kit car

George Graves wrote:

> In article <J11He.789927$iM6.233138@fe01.news.easynews.com>,
> Catman <catman RemoveThis @rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> George Graves wrote:
>>
>> > In article <NHnGe.735540$iM6.76515@fe01.news.easynews.com>,
>> > Catman <catman RemoveThis @rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>> >>
>> >> I was thinking of the original tensioner. The mechanical ones are
>> >> much preferable.
>> >
>> > I have not seen an Alfetta V-6 in the last 15 years that still had the
>> > original hydraulic tensioner fitted. Obviously, there have to be some
>> > still around, but they must be as rare as a sober Irishman on Darby
>> > day!
>>
>> <fx: Looks at storeage barn........>
>>
>> TBH I think we tended to stick more with the hydraulics over here.
>
> Really? Did anyone ever figure out how to stop 'em from leaking "over
> there"?
>
The word is that *if* it's done properly, they are fine. OTOH mine
leaks......
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In article <nKaHe.734450$pI6.224033@fe06.news.easynews.com>,
Catman <catman.TakeThisOut@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:

> George Graves wrote:
>
> > In article <J11He.789927$iM6.233138@fe01.news.easynews.com>,
> > Catman <catman.TakeThisOut@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> George Graves wrote:
> >>
> >> > In article <NHnGe.735540$iM6.76515@fe01.news.easynews.com>,
> >> > Catman <catman.TakeThisOut@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >> >>
> >> >> I was thinking of the original tensioner. The mechanical ones are
> >> >> much preferable.
> >> >
> >> > I have not seen an Alfetta V-6 in the last 15 years that still had the
> >> > original hydraulic tensioner fitted. Obviously, there have to be some
> >> > still around, but they must be as rare as a sober Irishman on Darby
> >> > day!
> >>
> >> <fx: Looks at storeage barn........>
> >>
> >> TBH I think we tended to stick more with the hydraulics over here.
> >
> > Really? Did anyone ever figure out how to stop 'em from leaking "over
> > there"?
> >
> The word is that *if* it's done properly, they are fine. OTOH mine
> leaks......

Yeah, that's the reason why, as troublesome as they CAN be, I stick to
the mechanical tensioner. At least the mechanical tensioner doesn't spew
oil all over the timing belt (not that they're expensive in and of
themselves at about US$20 for the Goodyear belt, but they do cost about
US$400 worth of labour to replace, and one might as well replace the
water pump while one is there, and etc., etc., etc.).

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I got a mechanical one from the colonies - works a treat.
Phil
"George Graves" <gmgravesnos.TakeThisOut@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:gmgravesnos-B0004C.14122831072005@newssvr13-ext.news.prodigy.com...
> In article <nKaHe.734450$pI6.224033@fe06.news.easynews.com>,
> Catman <catman.TakeThisOut@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> George Graves wrote:
>>
>> > In article <J11He.789927$iM6.233138@fe01.news.easynews.com>,
>> > Catman <catman.TakeThisOut@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >> George Graves wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > In article <NHnGe.735540$iM6.76515@fe01.news.easynews.com>,
>> >> > Catman <catman.TakeThisOut@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> <snip>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I was thinking of the original tensioner. The mechanical ones are
>> >> >> much preferable.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have not seen an Alfetta V-6 in the last 15 years that still had
>> >> > the
>> >> > original hydraulic tensioner fitted. Obviously, there have to be
>> >> > some
>> >> > still around, but they must be as rare as a sober Irishman on Darby
>> >> > day!
>> >>
>> >> <fx: Looks at storeage barn........>
>> >>
>> >> TBH I think we tended to stick more with the hydraulics over here.
>> >
>> > Really? Did anyone ever figure out how to stop 'em from leaking "over
>> > there"?
>> >
>> The word is that *if* it's done properly, they are fine. OTOH mine
>> leaks......
>
> Yeah, that's the reason why, as troublesome as they CAN be, I stick to
> the mechanical tensioner. At least the mechanical tensioner doesn't spew
> oil all over the timing belt (not that they're expensive in and of
> themselves at about US$20 for the Goodyear belt, but they do cost about
> US$400 worth of labour to replace, and one might as well replace the
> water pump while one is there, and etc., etc., etc.).
>
> --
> George Graves
> ------------------
> A sports car makes the journey more fun than the destination.
>
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In article <dcknge$g6k$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
"Phil Speight" <craftmasters.DeleteThis@btconnect.com> wrote:

> I got a mechanical one from the colonies - works a treat.
> Phil

The ones my mechanic uses are actually made in Canada. Imagine that!


> "George Graves" <gmgravesnos.DeleteThis@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:gmgravesnos-B0004C.14122831072005@newssvr13-ext.news.prodigy.com...
> > In article <nKaHe.734450$pI6.224033@fe06.news.easynews.com>,
> > Catman <catman.DeleteThis@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> George Graves wrote:
> >>
> >> > In article <J11He.789927$iM6.233138@fe01.news.easynews.com>,
> >> > Catman <catman.DeleteThis@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> George Graves wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > In article <NHnGe.735540$iM6.76515@fe01.news.easynews.com>,
> >> >> > Catman <catman.DeleteThis@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> <snip>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I was thinking of the original tensioner. The mechanical ones are
> >> >> >> much preferable.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have not seen an Alfetta V-6 in the last 15 years that still had
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > original hydraulic tensioner fitted. Obviously, there have to be
> >> >> > some
> >> >> > still around, but they must be as rare as a sober Irishman on Darby
> >> >> > day!
> >> >>
> >> >> <fx: Looks at storeage barn........>
> >> >>
> >> >> TBH I think we tended to stick more with the hydraulics over here.
> >> >
> >> > Really? Did anyone ever figure out how to stop 'em from leaking "over
> >> > there"?
> >> >
> >> The word is that *if* it's done properly, they are fine. OTOH mine
> >> leaks......
> >
> > Yeah, that's the reason why, as troublesome as they CAN be, I stick to
> > the mechanical tensioner. At least the mechanical tensioner doesn't spew
> > oil all over the timing belt (not that they're expensive in and of
> > themselves at about US$20 for the Goodyear belt, but they do cost about
> > US$400 worth of labour to replace, and one might as well replace the
> > water pump while one is there, and etc., etc., etc.).
> >
> > --
> > George Graves
> > ------------------
> > A sports car makes the journey more fun than the destination.
> >

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Maserati BiTurbo tranny would be trick.
"George Graves" <gmgravesnos RemoveThis @pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> In article <cpFFe.602141$pI6.117696@fe06.news.easynews.com>,
> Catman <catman RemoveThis @rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > George Graves wrote:
> >
> > > In article <pwyFe.806272$581.206229@fe05.news.easynews.com>,
> > > Catman <catman RemoveThis @rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Is there an industrial, marine, or truck Alfa Romeo DOHC engine
that
> > >> > would look cool in a kit car we never saw in the US?
> > >>
> > >> Any alfa engine would look cool in a kit car.
> > >> The classic DOHC is the four pot lump, available in 1.6, 1.8 and 2.0
L
> > >> capacities.
> > >> The flat four is pretty damn good in light cars as well.
> > >
> > > Hard to get here in the States as Alfasuds were never sold here.
> >
> > Good point. I could probably mail you one
> >
> > >> The beauuuuutiful V6 is only SOHC (like the flat) but sounds utterly
> > >> divine. Bit lazy in it's stock form IMHO though.
> > >
> > > I agree. But the transaxle screws things up quite a bit. He could fit
a
> > > tranny from an Alfa-Six, as it was bolted onto the back of the engine,
> > > but they weren't sold here either.
> >
> > Why not just use the 'Milano' tranny?
>
> Because a Milano tranny is part of the DeDion rear transaxle assembly
> and is in unit with the clutch and the differential at the rear of the
> car. He would need to use the long drive shaft and the giubos etc. If
> the wheelbase of the kit car were different from that of the Milano, he
> would have to either shorten or lengthen THAT drive shaft, They're hard
> enough to balance without that. The beauty of the Alfa-Six is that it's
> NOT an Alfetta. it has a normal transmission/clutch attached to the
> engine. This would make it infinitely easier to fit to a kit car than
> would be a transaxle design.
>
> --
> George Graves
> ------------------
> A sports car makes the journey more fun than the destination.
>
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In article <GnQQe.2028$P34.739@okepread07>,
"John C. Woods" <jcwoods.DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote:

> Maserati BiTurbo tranny would be trick.

Aye, that it would, and due to the dissolving nature of the BiTurbo
(even here in California they rust to nothing in no time) they should be
plentiful. You'd have to do a lot of modification to mate it up to the
75/Milano Verde engine (don't try to use the BiTurbo engine, nobody has
enough money to keep one of THOSE running) but I believe that the
results would be worth it!


> "George Graves" <gmgravesnos.DeleteThis@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:gmgravesnos-F2005C.12433727072005@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com...
> > In article <cpFFe.602141$pI6.117696@fe06.news.easynews.com>,
> > Catman <catman.DeleteThis@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > George Graves wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <pwyFe.806272$581.206229@fe05.news.easynews.com>,
> > > > Catman <catman.DeleteThis@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Is there an industrial, marine, or truck Alfa Romeo DOHC engine
> that
> > > >> > would look cool in a kit car we never saw in the US?
> > > >>
> > > >> Any alfa engine would look cool in a kit car.
> > > >> The classic DOHC is the four pot lump, available in 1.6, 1.8 and 2.0
> L
> > > >> capacities.
> > > >> The flat four is pretty damn good in light cars as well.
> > > >
> > > > Hard to get here in the States as Alfasuds were never sold here.
> > >
> > > Good point. I could probably mail you one
> > >
> > > >> The beauuuuutiful V6 is only SOHC (like the flat) but sounds utterly
> > > >> divine. Bit lazy in it's stock form IMHO though.
> > > >
> > > > I agree. But the transaxle screws things up quite a bit. He could fit
> a
> > > > tranny from an Alfa-Six, as it was bolted onto the back of the engine,
> > > > but they weren't sold here either.
> > >
> > > Why not just use the 'Milano' tranny?
> >
> > Because a Milano tranny is part of the DeDion rear transaxle assembly
> > and is in unit with the clutch and the differential at the rear of the
> > car. He would need to use the long drive shaft and the giubos etc. If
> > the wheelbase of the kit car were different from that of the Milano, he
> > would have to either shorten or lengthen THAT drive shaft, They're hard
> > enough to balance without that. The beauty of the Alfa-Six is that it's
> > NOT an Alfetta. it has a normal transmission/clutch attached to the
> > engine. This would make it infinitely easier to fit to a kit car than
> > would be a transaxle design.
> >
> > --
> > George Graves
> > ------------------
> > A sports car makes the journey more fun than the destination.
> >
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