Roller Lifter Failure Help

The "allpar" site talks about broken rocker arm pedestals but suggests that
the problem was corrected "early-on". I am not sure which years were
affected but my '98 is good. The clattering only begins when my engine is
warm? Interesting observation with the oil filters, I will pay attention to
that.
Thanks, Jake.
"Larry" <lspea DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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>I heard that some 3.3 have a problem with broken rocker studs, but that
>would make it run horrible, also do all 3.3's run roller lifters, on mine
>my lifters clatter on cold start ups if I run cheap fram oil filters that
>drain out after sitting overnight! With ac or motorcraft oil filters I
>don't have that problem
> "Jake" <jlj69dart DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Has anybody experienced lifter failure with MOPAR roller lifters in the
>> 3.3
>> Liter V-6? I am trying to locate the source of a clatter that makes my
>> engine sound like a diesel and I have not pulled the heads yet but have
>> found no indications of rocker-arm trouble. Is there a repair history
>> regarding the camshaft/valvetrain on a 1998 3.3 liter? I only have
>> 78000miles and planned to drive it for another 3 years! Any help is
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Jake.
>>
>>
>
>
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Dennis wrote:
> Best was the Mobile 1 filter & Purolator (abet both expensive.)

Purolator - which one? They have two. The Pure One™ is the one to get.
Why do you say it's expensive - $4 to $5 is not expensive for a good
oil filter. $8 or $10 maybe you could say is expensive.

> ...Fram was junk (as you have found - but the problems go far worst than that.)
> The media end caps are cardboard, glued in place and can leak allowing dirty
> oil to drain back into crankcase. <Q> "If you have a noisy valve train at
> startup, this filter is likely the cause. The bypass valves are plastic and
> are sometimes not molded correctly, which allows them to leak. The backplate
> has smaller and fewer oil inlet holes, which may restrict flow." <Q/>
> Fram is manufactured by Allied Signal, Inc...

I'm not a fan of Fram or Allied Signal, but you make the same dishonest
mistake many people repeat: Your comments apply to the bottom end filter
of the Fram line - once again, you treat them all as if they are one -
they are not. The Tough Guard is actually a good filter - not perfect,
but good.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
adddress with the letter 'x')
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Percival P. Cassidy wrote:

> But I reckon that if I want to keep the benefits of my 7-yr/70K Chrysler
> warranty (which was an additional freebie when we bought our 300M back
> in early '02) it's best to have it serviced at a Chrysler dealership --
> which can be expected to use Mopar filters, even if they are junk.
>


No, you figure wrong. The 7/70 warranty does not depend on getting it
serviced at the dealer.
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On 08/15/05 10:29 am Steve tossed the following ingredients into the
ever-growing pot of cybersoup:

>> But I reckon that if I want to keep the benefits of my 7-yr/70K
>> Chrysler warranty (which was an additional freebie when we bought our
>> 300M back in early '02) it's best to have it serviced at a Chrysler
>> dealership -- which can be expected to use Mopar filters, even if they
>> are junk.

> No, you figure wrong. The 7/70 warranty does not depend on getting it
> serviced at the dealer.

I didn't mean that the warranty *depends on* having it serviced at a
Chrysler dealership. I meant that it might be easier to *prove* that it
has been serviced properly if the service records are all in a dealer's
computer system.

If I have the vehicle serviced sometimes at "Joe's Auto Service and
Adult Bookstore" and sometimes at JiffyLube, wouldn't it be much easier
for DC to argue that the work was done by incompetents and refuse to pay up?

Perce
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"Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody.TakeThisOut@NotMyISP.net> wrote in message
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> On 08/15/05 10:29 am Steve tossed the following ingredients into the
> ever-growing pot of cybersoup:
>
>>> But I reckon that if I want to keep the benefits of my 7-yr/70K Chrysler
>>> warranty (which was an additional freebie when we bought our 300M back
>>> in early '02) it's best to have it serviced at a Chrysler dealership --
>>> which can be expected to use Mopar filters, even if they are junk.
>
>> No, you figure wrong. The 7/70 warranty does not depend on getting it
>> serviced at the dealer.
>
> I didn't mean that the warranty *depends on* having it serviced at a
> Chrysler dealership. I meant that it might be easier to *prove* that it
> has been serviced properly if the service records are all in a dealer's
> computer system.
>
> If I have the vehicle serviced sometimes at "Joe's Auto Service and Adult
> Bookstore" and sometimes at JiffyLube, wouldn't it be much easier for DC
> to argue that the work was done by incompetents and refuse to pay up?
>
> Perce

Which is true. When I was with DC, the service Rep I worked with loved deny
paying warranty to people who did not service there vehicles properly. If
you were a "good"customer at the dealership, which a "good" customer is one
who actually brought to the dealership a few times for the life of the
warranty. If you did not, and you had no receipts of having it serviced
properly (ie 4 oil changes a year, he would not cover anything for the
customer. And I had to agree with him. The most belligerent customers
complaining, were people how bought the vehicle new, and never brought it to
the dealership once until after the warranty was over, and wanted DC to pay.
And they thought being mouthy, and condacending was going to make the reps
give them goodwill? Guess what, if you don't have service records properly
documenting what service was performed DC does not have to do Jack for you
if something happens. Going to the dealer for your servicing automatically
creates the service records for you.
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On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:

> But I reckon that if I want to keep the benefits of my 7-yr/70K Chrysler
> warranty (which was an additional freebie when we bought our 300M back
> in early '02) it's best to have it serviced at a Chrysler dealership

And you "reckon" this...how, exactly? It's not so.
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I had to purchase an extended warrantee (as my Sebring was a rental) and my
dealer told me that all I had to do was keep records of all my off-dealer
service. When I asked what kind of records, he indicated receipts that
showed the date and work done (such as oil change, etc.) You believe you
are right about the dealer's records, as all work is recorded against the
VIN and is available on a nationwide basis. He was even able to pull up the
service records from Avis (who owned the car prior) because Chrysler owns
Avis.

> I didn't mean that the warranty *depends on* having it serviced at a
> Chrysler dealership. I meant that it might be easier to *prove* that it
> has been serviced properly if the service records are all in a dealer's
> computer system.
>
> If I have the vehicle serviced sometimes at "Joe's Auto Service and Adult
> Bookstore" and sometimes at JiffyLube, wouldn't it be much easier for DC
> to argue that the work was done by incompetents and refuse to pay up?
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Percival P. Cassidy wrote:


>
>> No, you figure wrong. The 7/70 warranty does not depend on getting it
>> serviced at the dealer.
>
>
> I didn't mean that the warranty *depends on* having it serviced at a
> Chrysler dealership. I meant that it might be easier to *prove* that it
> has been serviced properly if the service records are all in a dealer's
> computer system.

Maybe so, but....

>
> If I have the vehicle serviced sometimes at "Joe's Auto Service and
> Adult Bookstore" and sometimes at JiffyLube, wouldn't it be much easier
> for DC to argue that the work was done by incompetents and refuse to pay
> up?

As can bee seen in countless other posts (see the "3 quarts low"
thread), getting work done at a dealer does NOTHING to prevent the work
from actually BEING DONE by incompetents. That's why I change my own oil.
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