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dave AKA vwdoc11

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:55 pm
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Get a Bentley, a Multimeter and some time.
Do it yourself....................You can!! Wink
You will gain a lot of knowledge about your Jetta and a lot of satisfaction
when you find and repair the problem(s).
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later,
dave
(One out of many daves)


"dubljay" <UseLinkToEmail RemoveThis @AutoForumz.com> wrote in message
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 > "One out of many daves" wrote:

snip snip

 > Acutally I have given up. I was right they have replaced the engine,
 > and in doing so they have cliped wires and connectors off leaving me
 > no way to tell what is what. Anyone want a 91 jetta parts car? I
 > would take it to a shop however there isn't a mechanic within 100
 > miles that i would trust to work on a VW.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:06 am
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I've got a bently, and a multimeter... however a good portion of the wires are not even the correct color so I really dont know how i can trace or test them.

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dave AKA vwdoc11

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:55 pm
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"dubljay" <UseLinkToEmail.DeleteThis@AutoForumz.com> wrote in message
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 > SNIP
 > I've got a bently, and a multimeter... however a good portion of the
 > wires are not even the correct color so I really dont know how i can
 > trace or test them.
 >

Yeah I am not sure about those California cars. Sad

I usually have to test the resistance of wiring from the ECM to where ever
it goes to. I don't always trust those wiring diagrams too.
I sometimes make mine own just in case the books are wrong. I had to do
this for my 91 Passat auto transmission's valve body.

Oh and I have seen a bad AirFlow box causing a lack of power with one
Digifant II vehicle. Or a dirty filter (fuel or air).

good luck,
dave
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:44 pm
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I have a 91 jetta, manual, same engine (RV), same problem. I also suspect my motor has been replaced, because the title says its a rebuild and that it's exempt from odometer readings. (although I dont see any clipped wires around the engine)

I have tried the basics, just like Dubljay. when I got this car it ran fine. there were a few rare times where it would stall out and wouldnt start, but then this problem developed over last winter. now, it starts right up, and runs forever at idle (until i stall it), but there is significant loss of power, it acts like there is a clogged fuel filter on acceleration, (during which sometimes initially it floods and dies immediately at a slight touch of the gas),. it will accelerate fine for a few seconds,, but then power will fade almost completely, and then usually the car will start bucking, or power comes back in the higher RPM range, or the car stalls, and wont start. one characteristic of this problem is the surging of the throttle. I know the car is going to lose its power when when I take it out of gear to shift and the engine maintains a high RPM, or the throttle surges at idle sometimes maintaining an idle of 1800 rpm's or so, or just surging from 900-1400 rpm's up and down, then dipping down to 400-800 either stalling, or almost stalling.

The car has always seemed to run too rich. when I first got the car, I failed emissions tests so I replaced the Oxygen sensor about 2 years ago which helped thin the fuel mixture, and it passed ( I didnt drive it much even when it ran)

When this problem started:
First I replaced the fuel filter (lifetime my ass) I have a fairly new air filter too I replaced a while back (K & N), and i replaced the checker auto spark plug wires with Bosch wires. that didnt help so I took this into VW mechanics shop where they tested the fuel pump, put on new spark plugs, checked a valve and some sensors, but they couldn't figure out what was wrong, so after around $200 of labor, so I had them stop. at this point the car would only do a dead stall, it didnt do any bucking or jerking, it would just unpredictabley lose power slowly and stall, So I could still drive it around I would wait until it was cooled off then it would *usually* start again. then my radiator fan switch went out, and I thought it would be a good idea to change the cap and rotor when I changed out that heat sensing switch on the radiator. The old cap was not bosch, and and it was worn, so i put on a genuine bosch cap and rotor. If you can believe it, this is when the bucking and surging started ! I expected the new cap to help get back some power, and maybe help with the stalling, but instead it made things worse, now I had even more power loss, except when it hit the high rpm's it would give me back the power I once had, (still not to the engine's potential, I never had that), then I would need to shift, and it would repeat all over again. this effect of power kicking in at high rpm's slowly wore off, and all the while the car would sometimes crap out and not start. So during that time I had a friend do a timing check at his acura shop, he said the timing was fine, and gave me two suggestions: Air flow sensor, or a clogged cat. so I went to the foreign wrecking yard and the owner helped me try several parts, my airflow sensor tested ok to me, but thats what we tried first ( got one off a 91 fox). same resistance readings, and no change in the condition. Next we tried the Ignition control module on top of the ECU housing, no change. then we tried the selenoid by the intake manifold, which i think is the EGR valve, because one hose went into the intake manifold, I cant remember where the other hose connected to (crankcase?), Still no change, so we put in a brand new in-tank fuel pump, I had a little better throttle response after, but the same sputtering occurred. then the junk yard owner suggested I try taking off the gas cap and running it, well I did have the wrong cap on, one that didnt allow air to get in, (my sister had driven the car, and she had changed the old cap for some reason) now with the gas cap off, the car didnt sputter or stall, (it sometimes has to run for a while before it begins sputtering, but I drove for a few miles, and everything was good) much to my disbelief, and I drove home from the junkyard thinking the guy was pure genius. I found my old gas cap, that seems to be a breather cap, and put it back on, (though not tightly). most days the car still didnt have the power it originally did, but somedays it would get back to its old peppy self. that great solution lasted for less than 2 weeks, and now it is as bad as ever Sad

I am so grateful for your site where I found the same problem on the same engine.
I do take off the gas cap when it starts sputtering but that doesnt help now. So after reading your suggestions yesterday, at a muffler shop I had my tailpipe cut off at the catalytic converter to test for clogs, they couldnt find anything wrong with air flow there, and they tried to diagnose the problem but couldnt find anything. I dont have a bentley manual, just a cheap one. I would appreciate any suggested solutions to this problem, I dont think it is timing or engine related, I was looking to replace the distributor next, until I read here that that hadn't helped dubljay. I am guessing that it is some other electrical problem, or and issue with the fuel lines and/or the accumulator/regulator for those fuel lines. but right now I dont have the money to get a manual on top of the part(s) I need.

Thank you for your time and ideas,

Steve.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:45 am
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Hello,
Sitting over here in Oslo, Norway, (Europe) I'm following with keen interrest the discussion.
I have a 1990 Passat with a PF engine. I believe it is more or less identical to your engines. 1.8l, Digifant II injection and 8V.

I have for a long time had the on and off sputtering. Early on I found out that if I flicked the ignition off and on while driving, the engine would run smooth again and pull normally for anything from 2 sec. to the rest of the journey.
I have changed air flow measuring unit, engine computer (ECU?), coil, coil lead, plugs, distributor cap and rotor, fuel filter, Propperly grounded all conections that were grounded in the engine bay, changed O2 sensor, water temp sensor (blue), checked timing.

Last suggestions that I have been recomended to try is the fuel pressure regulator or the fuse box.... Apparently some of these cars had bad connections in and around the fusebox causing the ECU to get an uneven current or uneven signals form various sensors.

The fact that throwing the ignition switch must be a clue???

Any suggestions?
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:32 pm
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Ok its been a while. I got the power back... hehe I'm gonna have to be careful when driving it now, I don't need speeding tickets.

My currnet problem now is that it surges badly, not just at idle either. I can feel the engine surge while under load, when i down shift, and when it idles. When idling it surges so bad that it causes the check engine light to flicker on and off. a few times the surging was bad enough while normal driving that the knock sensor kicked in and dropped the rpms and power way down.

On the throtle body there is that adjustment screw that is supposed to be pluged (the one you are not supposed to adjust) well the previous owners have the plug removed and i think that the screw has been adjusted. any thougts?

also its mid summer here, hot as hell out and the temp gague doesnt really get up to normal while driving, it hovers around the colder side, unless idling for long periods. is the gague screwed, the themostate, or the sensor bad? I was under the impression that VW's generally run hot.
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