FAP filter

"Stephen Woolhead" <stephen.DeleteThis@perfectphase.com> wrote in message
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> Been having some issues with my 307 (yes, no surprise there) and the
> dealer tells me that the FAP filter has failed and will need replacing.
> Now these things don't even need servicing till 120,000Km and I'm only on
> 53,000miles so seems to be a bit premature.
>
> So I was wondering if anyone else has had this fail, is it a common thing?
> Also how much does it cost (ball park) to replace!
>
I'm displaying my ignorance here. What is a FAP filter?

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Malc
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Hi,

> I'm displaying my ignorance here. What is a FAP filter?
FAP : Filtre à Particules, into french. Particle filter, which stops the
particles in Diesel exhaust. This, associated with a good engine management
(see HDi's) avoids the black smoke on Diesel cars.
These 1st generation FAPs have to be cleaned using a special fluid, which
was provided by Rhône-Poulenc. It was cleaning itself, say, every 500km (300
miles) automatically. Designed to last 80,000km (50,000 miles).

Now 2nd generation lasts 120,000km (72,000 miles).

HTH,
G.T
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G.T wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > I'm displaying my ignorance here. What is a FAP filter?
> FAP : Filtre à Particules, into french. Particle filter, which stops the
> particles in Diesel exhaust. This, associated with a good engine management
> (see HDi's) avoids the black smoke on Diesel cars.
> These 1st generation FAPs have to be cleaned using a special fluid, which
> was provided by Rhône-Poulenc. It was cleaning itself, say, every 500km (300
> miles) automatically. Designed to last 80,000km (50,000 miles).
>
> Now 2nd generation lasts 120,000km (72,000 miles).
>
Thanks

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Malc
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"G.T" <g.t6.DeleteThis@worldonline.fr> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
>> I'm displaying my ignorance here. What is a FAP filter?
> FAP : Filtre à Particules, into french. Particle filter, which stops the
> particles in Diesel exhaust. This, associated with a good engine
> management
> (see HDi's) avoids the black smoke on Diesel cars.
> These 1st generation FAPs have to be cleaned using a special fluid, which
> was provided by Rhône-Poulenc. It was cleaning itself, say, every 500km
> (300
> miles) automatically. Designed to last 80,000km (50,000 miles).
>
> Now 2nd generation lasts 120,000km (72,000 miles).
>

Not sure that is correct. As I understand it, the original gen 1 filters
(2000 607's only) require cleaning at ~50K miles and the updated gen 1
filters (307+406) had to be cleaned at ~75K miles. The fluid made by
Rhône-Poulenc (cerine) is used to dope the diesel to lower the burning point
of the particles caught in the filter when it regenerates every 500 to
1000Km. The fluid is never used to clean the filter directly.

The gen 2 (2004) filters still need the cerine doping in the fuel to allow
them to regenerate, but do not require the 120,000Km service, they are
totally self sufficient in that regard.

Stephen.
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Hi,

> Not sure that is correct. As I understand it, the original gen 1 filters
> (2000 607's only) require cleaning at ~50K miles and the updated gen 1
> filters (307+406) had to be cleaned at ~75K miles. The fluid made by
I've heard of replacement, but I never experienced it myself, because I have
no FAP on my car.

> Rhône-Poulenc (cerine) is used to dope the diesel to lower the burning
point
> of the particles caught in the filter when it regenerates every 500 to
> 1000Km. The fluid is never used to clean the filter directly.
No, that's used to burn the particles stuck into the filter - which is
pretty close to me to cleaning, and that was my point, as it's made
automatically while driving.

I guess it was just a question of vocabulary instead of big mistakes.

Regards,
G.T
g.t6 RemoveThis @worldonline.fr
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"G.T" <g.t6.TakeThisOut@worldonline.fr> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
>> Not sure that is correct. As I understand it, the original gen 1 filters
>> (2000 607's only) require cleaning at ~50K miles and the updated gen 1
>> filters (307+406) had to be cleaned at ~75K miles. The fluid made by
> I've heard of replacement, but I never experienced it myself, because I
> have
> no FAP on my car.
>
>> Rhône-Poulenc (cerine) is used to dope the diesel to lower the burning
> point
>> of the particles caught in the filter when it regenerates every 500 to
>> 1000Km. The fluid is never used to clean the filter directly.
> No, that's used to burn the particles stuck into the filter - which is
> pretty close to me to cleaning, and that was my point, as it's made
> automatically while driving.

Ok, sounded to me you where suggesting that the cerine was inected directly
into the filter as part of it's cleaning cycle, which it's not. It's always
in the diesel and chemically alters the soot so it burns at a lower
temperature.

Stephen.
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"MARK B (peugeot master tech) via CarKB.com" <forum.RemoveThis@CarKB.com> wrote in
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> Stephen Woolhead wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>>> pretty close to me to cleaning, and that was my point, as it's made
>>> automatically while driving.
>>
>>Ok, sounded to me you where suggesting that the cerine was inected
>>directly
>>into the filter as part of it's cleaning cycle, which it's not. It's
>>always
>>in the diesel and chemically alters the soot so it burns at a lower
>>temperature.
>>
>>Stephen.
> my fav subject p.e.f . any questions fire away !!!

Ok, apparently mine has failed (i.e it's not regenerating it's self
anymore). What are the pit falls of not having it replaced and is there
anything that can be done to save myself the £600 bill I have just been
quoted for it's replacement!

So much for a nice cheap-to-run small car!!

Stephen
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Stephen Woolhead wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>[qvoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>>>Stephen.
>> my fav svbject p.e.f . any qvestions fire away !!!
>
>Ok, apparently mine has failed (i.e it's not regenerating it's self
>anymore). What are the pit falls of not having it replaced and is there
>anything that can be done to save myself the £600 bill I have jvst been
>qvoted for it's replacement!
>
>So mvch for a nice cheap-to-rvn small car!!
>
>Stephen
Hi steven sorry to hear abovt yovr ordeal.well if yov don't replace the p.e.f.
eventvally the cerine will clogg it vp so mvch the vehicle will be very vnder
powered and covld start to cvt ovt .The reason WHY yov have to replace the
filter for in the first place is the cerine attaches itself to the carbon
particles (as yov all well know) and redvces the combvstion temperatvre to
arovnd 450 degree's bvt the vehicle can bvrn off the carbon particles when it
regenerates BUT can't bvrn off the cerine which in tvrn cavses it to clog vp
in time .The first type of cerine was called dpx 42 and lasted to arovnd 50,
000 miles ( has white connectors on additive filler vnion) The second type
was called eloys 176 and covld last arovnd 72,000 (has green connectors on
filler vnion) .The later type p.e.f's what will be coming ovt soon are cerine
free!.back to yovr ordeal a lot of people have been kicking off abovt this so
now pevgeot will contribvte towards it (not svre if they pay for filter or
cerine) bvt can ask warranty manager if yov reqvest? good lvck and all the
best mark
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"MARK B (peugeot master tech) via CarKB.com" <forum.DeleteThis@CarKB.com> wrote in
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>
> free!.back to your ordeal a lot of people have been kicking off about this
> so
> now peugeot will contribute towards it (not sure if they pay for filter or
> cerine) but can ask warranty manager if you request? good luck and all
> the
> best mark

Thanks for your comment's it nice to know what's really going on!

As much as I'm loathed to spend that sort of money, I can start to notice
that the performance is dropping already.

My car is 6 weeks out of warranty, and it missed one service early in it's
life so Peugeot will not touch it under any form of warranty

Stephen
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