American GP UPDATE

What a double standard. I just heard Bernie just left the track and
the race isn't half over.
With Ferrari having similar tire (or tyre issues all season, they
never threw a race.
F1 will NOT be invitied back to America ANY time soon.
Pathetic behavior (or behaviour
Now we can debate the shitty rules package...If the damn teams could
change tires (or tyres) like all other forms of motorsports we may have
had a race today.
It's going to be very interesting to see who loses the money on this
one. The track owners will be issuing refunds, but FIA needs to pony
up the cash for it. The track is not responsible for this sickening
lack of class...
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I was there (Along with Mr & Mrs Borland). What a joke. We were all
waiting, hoping that we'd see an actual race and not a repeat of
practice 3. We didn't see a race, we saw a Bridgestone Test day.

I sat near a young boy and his dad clad in Mark Webber gear. I'm still
not sure if the kid knows why his hero didn't race today. They left
after lap 10.

To my right was a couple from Costa Rica. They'd come to see Alonso.
They had no clue what was going on until I explained it to them. They
left at lap 15.

To my left was a couple from Indy. They said they had come to "check
out this Formula One thing". Needless to say, they saw all they needed
to see.

I thought the FISA/FOCA mess in 1982 was Formula One's lowest ebb. I
was wrong.

To Max Mosley. They are Cromwell's words, but they apply...

"You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart I
say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"


T308
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your_mom wrote:
 > What a double standard. I just heard Bernie just left the track and
 > the race isn't half over.
 > With Ferrari having similar tire (or tyre issues all season, they
 > never threw a race.
 > F1 will NOT be invitied back to America ANY time soon.
 > Pathetic behavior (or behaviour
 > Now we can debate the shitty rules package...If the damn teams could
 > change tires (or tyres) like all other forms of motorsports we may have
 > had a race today.
 > It's going to be very interesting to see who loses the money on this
 > one. The track owners will be issuing refunds, but FIA needs to pony
 > up the cash for it. The track is not responsible for this sickening
 > lack of class...
 >
I agree 100%!!!

M

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Matt wrote...

<<Always a pleasure to enjoy an oilcan of Foster's with Mister
T308... He had "seats" reserved, while we were in steerage
with the rest of the great unwashed, so our time was short
but still a good visit. >>

The pleasure was all mine! As a matter of fact, it was the only
pleasure I had the whole day.

Shall we enjoy Oil Cans in MCPDs living room next?

FORZA EURO ROADTRIP 2005!

T308
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"T308 (The serial number geek)" <tifosi308.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119215600.187209.264280@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
 > I was there (Along with Mr & Mrs Borland). What a joke. We were all
 > waiting, hoping that we'd see an actual race and not a repeat of
 > practice 3. We didn't see a race, we saw a Bridgestone Test day.
 >
 > I sat near a young boy and his dad clad in Mark Webber gear. I'm still
 > not sure if the kid knows why his hero didn't race today. They left
 > after lap 10.
 >
 > To my right was a couple from Costa Rica. They'd come to see Alonso.
 > They had no clue what was going on until I explained it to them. They
 > left at lap 15.
 >
 > To my left was a couple from Indy. They said they had come to "check
 > out this Formula One thing". Needless to say, they saw all they needed
 > to see.

Always a pleasure to enjoy an oilcan of Foster's with Mister
T308... He had "seats" reserved, while we were in steerage
with the rest of the great unwashed, so our time was short
but still a good visit.

We left around lap 25, after 3+ hours driving (then parking)
and all the walking we didn't bother staying for the rest
of it. Not much point when there's little to no passing
and only six cars even running. There were people flipping
the bird and giving thumbs down to the drivers as they
passed, like they should have boycotted the race because
Michelins didn't work right on this particular track. The FIA
should have just added another damn chicane. I did get to
call my father for Father's Day and let him hear the Ferraris
scream by, which made his day. He'll have a good story to
go with his souvenir t-shirt now that all this crap happened.

As for track owners refunding tickets, it says "no rainchecks,
no refunds" on every ticket... Ain't that a bitch?

It was a mass exodus by the time we started walking out,
with lots of irate people yelling, in various languages. I think
I'll stick to the ALMS, vintage, and motorcycle stuff for
awhile, and steer clear of the USGP, NHRA, and NASCAR.
Two of those three due to the toothless drunken idiots that
spend half the day spilling beer on people and dry-humping
those unlucky enough to sit or walk near them. The F1 stuff
just irritates me because the rules seem all out of whack
and if they're so inflexible they refuse to put on a show, well,
"fuggem". I paid for a race, I wanna see a damn race.


It was nice to see Rubens up front though.


__ __
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On 19 Jun 2005 12:07:28 -0700, "your_mom" <theitdude DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:
 >What a double standard. I just heard Bernie just left the track and
 >the race isn't half over.
 >With Ferrari having similar tire (or tyre issues all season, they
 >never threw a race.
 >F1 will NOT be invitied back to America ANY time soon.
 >Pathetic behavior (or behaviour
 >Now we can debate the shitty rules package...If the damn teams could
 >change tires (or tyres) like all other forms of motorsports we may have
 >had a race today.
 >It's going to be very interesting to see who loses the money on this
 >one. The track owners will be issuing refunds, but FIA needs to pony
 >up the cash for it. The track is not responsible for this sickening
 >lack of class...

Neither is the FIA, nor FOM, nor even Michelin: The seven teams who
refused to take the start unless they were given an unfair advantage
are to blame, Renault, McLaren-Mercedes and BMW-Williams, who have
been quietly destroying the sport from within for years, BAR-Honda,
Toyota, Red Bull-Cosworth, and Sauber-Petronas(Ferrari).<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Siddhartha Gotama wrote:

 > Neither is the FIA, nor FOM, nor even Michelin: The seven teams who
 > refused to take the start unless they were given an unfair advantage
 > are to blame, Renault, McLaren-Mercedes and BMW-Williams, who have
 > been quietly destroying the sport from within for years, BAR-Honda,
 > Toyota, Red Bull-Cosworth, and Sauber-Petronas(Ferrari).

Hi, Mark!

M
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To face your fears, retrace the years
And ride the whims of your mind
Commanding in another world
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"T308 (The serial number geek)" <tifosi308 RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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 > Matt wrote...
 >
 > <<Always a pleasure to enjoy an oilcan of Foster's with Mister
 > T308... He had "seats" reserved, while we were in steerage
 > with the rest of the great unwashed, so our time was short
 > but still a good visit. >>
 >
 > The pleasure was all mine! As a matter of fact, it was the only
 > pleasure I had the whole day.
 >
 > Shall we enjoy Oil Cans in MCPDs living room next?
 >
 > FORZA EURO ROADTRIP 2005!
 >
 > T308


I like the way you think...


If we wanted to do it up "Ugly American" style
we could switch over to High Life tallboys and
show up barefoot...


Back on topic, was Ferrari the only team to disagree
with the chicane idea? If so, that'll bring out the
Ferrari-haters in droves... Like it matters.

This sort of reminds me of when the CART racers
were blacking out at Texas and wouldn't race. It's
a tough call since they'd be rolling chicanes themselves
going through that turn on Michelins, which can't be
all that safe either. I can see why they did what they
did, but it comes across kinda lame considering this
is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport and the
teams on Michelins took their balls and went home
(no pun intended) rather than race with a disadvantage.

Was it safety, or sour grapes?

Survey says?



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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 02:25:53 GMT, "matt borland"
<mborland.TakeThisOut@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
 >Back on topic, was Ferrari the only team to disagree
 >with the chicane idea? If so, that'll bring out the
 >Ferrari-haters in droves... Like it matters.

The FIA wouldn't allow a track change, since the rules say you can't
change a track after Friday. If IMS had changed the track the race
would have lost its sanction.

 >This sort of reminds me of when the CART racers
 >were blacking out at Texas and wouldn't race. It's
 >a tough call since they'd be rolling chicanes themselves
 >going through that turn on Michelins, which can't be
 >all that safe either. I can see why they did what they
 >did, but it comes across kinda lame considering this
 >is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport and the
 >teams on Michelins took their balls and went home
 >(no pun intended) rather than race with a disadvantage.
 >
 >Was it safety, or sour grapes?

Sour grapes: None of them thought any changes were necessary to
accommodate Ferrari's Bridgestone tires any time this season.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:33:46 -0700, The Dream
<iwalkthe@thinlineforyou> wrote:
 >Siddhartha Gotama wrote:
 >
  >> Neither is the FIA, nor FOM, nor even Michelin: The seven teams who
  >> refused to take the start unless they were given an unfair advantage
  >> are to blame, Renault, McLaren-Mercedes and BMW-Williams, who have
  >> been quietly destroying the sport from within for years, BAR-Honda,
  >> Toyota, Red Bull-Cosworth, and Sauber-Petronas(Ferrari).
 >
 >Hi, Mark!

Hi Mike!

(I'm having an identity crisis.)<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"T308 (The serial number geek)" <tifosi308.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote

 > Shall we enjoy Oil Cans in MCPDs living room next?

T'is a small room, but we did manage to accomodate several Tiger-racers last
year.

You're almost welcome.


-Paul

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It's hard to imagine a more spectacular shot-your-own-foot fuck up.

A few years back, riders in the Tour de France stopped mid race and
sat on the road in a drugs protest* - causing everything from dissapointment
to anger and left everyone shaking their heads in disbelief wondering how a
world-class sporting event with a global audience of millions could allow
such a self-destructive act of stupidity/desperation** to happen...

....and here we are again.

The failure of the race was an act of outrageous arrogance by people who
earn squillions of dollars and who clearly have no appreciation whatsoever
(or simply don't care) how much the average fan has to invest in cash, time
and trouble to turn up at the event.


What next?

News just in:

Wimbledon cacelled as officials investigate player's claims that the centre
court grass 'looks a little slippery' this year.

Tiger Woods out of PGA tour. Says Woods "I forgot to bring my coat
and it looks as if it could get a bit chilly out there".


-Paul

*If a anyone cares, it was a protest about the policing of drug-taking, not
drug taking per se.

**Depending on your views of the actions of French police in raiding
some team's hotel rooms the night before a stage. Anyeway, enough
Tour De France stuff.
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Zonker Harris wrote:
 > On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:33:46 -0700, The Dream
 > <iwalkthe@thinlineforyou> wrote:
 >
  >>Siddhartha Gotama wrote:
  >>
  >>
   >>>Neither is the FIA, nor FOM, nor even Michelin: The seven teams who
   >>>refused to take the start unless they were given an unfair advantage
   >>>are to blame, Renault, McLaren-Mercedes and BMW-Williams, who have
   >>>been quietly destroying the sport from within for years, BAR-Honda,
   >>>Toyota, Red Bull-Cosworth, and Sauber-Petronas(Ferrari).
  >>
  >>Hi, Mark!
 >
 >
 > Hi Mike!
 >
 > (I'm having an identity crisis.)


I hope it's not because I can figure out your identities! (Yeah, that's
a bit presumptuous - so what.) I change mine frequently as well, and
just like you only newbies or infrequent posters actually get taken in.
Since you are incapable of convincingly writing any other way than the
way that you do, you're sunk in my waters.

The most amusing aftermath item from yesterday's debacle: on Wind
Tunnel, Dave Despain had Peter Windsor pontificating. (Does anybody else
think those are hair plugs? I think he'd look just like Sir Stirling if
he just let it fall out ...) Anyway, before that began, they showed the
requisite film clips of disgruntled "fans", including one of the dicks
who threw a water bottle onto the track (if I had been in the vicinity I
would've beaten the living FUCK out that asshole). Another of the clips
was of this little kid in a Ferrari t-shirt looking down dejectedly, and
his dad huffing along in front of him, this fat redneck tattooed fuck
with NASCAR shades saying "Yeah, thanks F1, thanks Bernie." And a
couple of unmentionables (to SPEED, anway).

I wouldn't want those kinds of fans, anyway. I've always felt that
American fans, in general, ... of ANYTHING ... are some of the rudest
fucks anywhere. I know, I haven't done much overseas travelling, and
I'm sure y'all have stories of soccer ruffians this and crazy Aussies
that, but if I'm Bernie or Max or Charlie, for me one water bottle on a
track is enough, especially in F1, to ace out that venue and maybe even
that country, for as long as I feel like it. They make enough money.
And if my car went into a wall because some dickhead threw his Aquafina
onto the track, I'd find him after I got towed in. You could bet on it.
I'd screw his wife, too, if she was pretty.

MC

(I like Peter Windsor, actually - sorry Peter! Call it like I see it!
Guess you gotta have the plugs if you want to make it with the babes in
Monaco ...)

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And ride the whims of your mind
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