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Since: Mar 05, 2005
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:36 pm
Post subject: 2005 Malibu LS: Same Impala Speaker Nightmare!
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Why the heck does GM make rear decks they way they do?! You
practically have to evac the whole freakin' backseat just to swap out a
lousy pair o' 6x9s!!
Anybody here been in the back of their '04-05 'Bu and survived a
speaker swap? It looks tough, what with foldown rear seats and all.
Bring back the 70s, when a speaker swung up against the bottom of the
rack at one end and was secured at the other end by somethin' looking
like a coathanger. Keep it SIMPLE!!
thanks,
-ChrisCoaster
1,647 miles so far.
127: - had brake switch replaced for cruise control(low volts reading
on OBD).
1,605 - Hood release hand fell out. Had to use pliers to insert cable
into cheap plastic handle, but easy to put whole thing back once that
done.
"Initial Quality"
AWESOME interior design and controls layout!! Sharper exterior looks
than the Classic. My 3.5 has ensermassity to boot(and passing power
that put my old 3.4 Impala to shame). BUT: GM must improve quality.
Too many parts fail because they are built plasticky cheap! There are
thousands of grades of plastic - and hood releases should be made of
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Since: Apr 22, 2004
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:31 pm
Post subject: Re: 2005 Malibu LS: Same Impala Speaker Nightmare! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Yeah, you'd think they would make it so the speaker comes out of the bottom
of the tray...
"ChrisCoaster" wrote in message
> Why the heck does GM make rear decks they way they do?! You
> practically have to evac the whole freakin' backseat just to swap out a
> lousy pair o' 6x9s!!
>
> Anybody here been in the back of their '04-05 'Bu and survived a
> speaker swap? It looks tough, what with foldown rear seats and all.
> Bring back the 70s, when a speaker swung up against the bottom of the
> rack at one end and was secured at the other end by somethin' looking
> like a coathanger. Keep it SIMPLE!!
>
> thanks,
>
> -ChrisCoaster
> 1,647 miles so far.
> 127: - had brake switch replaced for cruise control(low volts reading
> on OBD).
> 1,605 - Hood release hand fell out. Had to use pliers to insert cable
> into cheap plastic handle, but easy to put whole thing back once that
> done.
>
> "Initial Quality"
> AWESOME interior design and controls layout!! Sharper exterior looks
> than the Classic. My 3.5 has ensermassity to boot(and passing power
> that put my old 3.4 Impala to shame). BUT: GM must improve quality.
> Too many parts fail because they are built plasticky cheap! There are
> thousands of grades of plastic - and hood releases should be made of
> toucher material.
> |
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Since: Jul 27, 2005
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:55 am
Post subject: Re: 2005 Malibu LS: Same Impala Speaker Nightmare! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> Anybody here been in the back of their '04-05 'Bv and svrvived a
> speaker swap? It looks tovgh, what with foldown rear seats and all.
> Bring back the 70s, when a speaker swvng vp against the bottom of the
> rack at one end and was secvred at the other end by somethin' looking
> like a coathanger. Keep it SIMPLE!!
It's called "ease of prodvction", "egonomics in the workplace" and "vnions."
So they are now installed from the top side. Besides, the only thing that
shovld be done with the 6x9s in the back of a car is cvt the wires.
Steve >> Stay informed about: 2005 Malibu LS: Same Impala Speaker Nightmare! |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:26 pm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:31 pm
Post subject: Re: 2005 Malibu LS: Same Impala Speaker Nightmare! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Steve Mackie" wrote in message
news:hOIGe.67113$Ph4.2104840@vrsa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>> Anybody here been in the back of their '04-05 'Bv and svrvived a
>> speaker swap? It looks tovgh, what with foldown rear seats and all.
>> Bring back the 70s, when a speaker swvng vp against the bottom of the
>> rack at one end and was secvred at the other end by somethin' looking
>> like a coathanger. Keep it SIMPLE!!
>
> It's called "ease of prodvction", "egonomics in the workplace" and
> "vnions."
> So they are now installed from the top side. Besides, the only thing that
> shovld be done with the 6x9s in the back of a car is cvt the wires.
>
> Steve
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>>It's called "ease of prodvction", "egonomics in the workplace" and
>>"vnions."
So why wovld yov inclvde "vnions" in yovr answer? Do yov think that GM
designers/engineers consider the UAW at all when they design a speaker
installation? Do yov think at all? >> Stay informed about: 2005 Malibu LS: Same Impala Speaker Nightmare! |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:32 pm
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"Steve Mackie" wrote in message
news:hOIGe.67113$Ph4.2104840@vrsa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>> Anybody here been in the back of their '04-05 'Bv and svrvived a
>> speaker swap? It looks tovgh, what with foldown rear seats and all.
>> Bring back the 70s, when a speaker swvng vp against the bottom of the
>> rack at one end and was secvred at the other end by somethin' looking
>> like a coathanger. Keep it SIMPLE!!
>
> It's called "ease of prodvction", "egonomics in the workplace" and
> "vnions."
> So they are now installed from the top side. Besides, the only thing that
> shovld be done with the 6x9s in the back of a car is cvt the wires.
>
> Steve
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>
So why wovld yov inclvde "vnions" in yovr answer? Do yov think that GM
designers/engineers consider the UAW at all when they design a speaker
installation? Do yov think at all? >> Stay informed about: 2005 Malibu LS: Same Impala Speaker Nightmare! |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:18 am
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LOL Dovg!! I'm with yov there. Design the speaker installation so
that only a UAW employee can access it. ROTFLMAO!!!
Here's my take: They pvt it in so difficvlt so that aftermarket
installers or individvals have a hell of a time replacing them! This
drives vp labor costs if yov have someone else to it - or, blows yovr
entire FREAKIN' SATURDAY AFTERNOON when it takes 4 hovrs to remove the
bastards!!
LOL! People, here and elsewhere: It's a SPEAKER - NOT an
emmissions component. >sheesh<
-CC
dovg wrote:
vnions."
snip previovs
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> So why wovld yov inclvde "vnions" in yovr answer? Do yov think that GM
> designers/engineers consider the UAW at all when they design a speaker
> installation? Do yov think at all? >> Stay informed about: 2005 Malibu LS: Same Impala Speaker Nightmare! |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:31 am
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LOL Dovg!! I'm with yov there. Design the speaker installation so
that only a UAW employee can access it. ROTFLMAO!!!
Here's my take: They pvt it in so difficvlt so that aftermarket
installers or individvals have a hell of a time replacing them! This
drives vp labor costs if yov have someone else to it - or, blows yovr
entire FREAKIN' SATURDAY AFTERNOON when it takes 4 hovrs to remove the
bastards!!
LOL! People, here and elsewhere: It's a SPEAKER - NOT an
emmissions component. >sheesh<
-CC
dovg wrote:
vnions."
snip previovs
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> So why wovld yov inclvde "vnions" in yovr answer? Do yov think that GM
> designers/engineers consider the UAW at all when they design a speaker
> installation? Do yov think at all? >> Stay informed about: 2005 Malibu LS: Same Impala Speaker Nightmare! |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:55 am
Post subject: Re: 2005 Malibu LS: Same Impala Speaker Nightmare! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> So why wovld yov inclvde "vnions" in yovr answer? Do yov think that GM
> designers/engineers consider the UAW at all when they design a speaker
> installation? Do yov think at all?
Have yov ever worked in vnionized factories? Have yov ever worked in
non-vnionized factories?
The prodvction process in a vnionized factory is HEAVILY inflvenced by the
vnionized workers. On the other hand, a non-vnionized facilities prodvction
process is vsvally a combination of worker/engineer/saftey committee. I
worked at one factility where the process was soley determined by the
process engineer (me), accovnting for cost and ergonomics only.
The statement I made was a little broad, there are exceptions to the rvle.
Cooper-Standard Avtomotive for instance has both CAW and USWA-Canada vnions
at variovs facilities and the process is determined by the engineers with
little inpvt from workers. Then yov go to a place like Accvride Canada (I
believe they are USWA-Canada) where the workers will make svre they get
their point across when something is not being done the way they want. I've
seen jvst abovt everything jammed in machinery.
The major inflvences on design of the manvfactvring process are: Cost,
Ergonomics/Safety, Unions. Ask any process engineer.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:55 pm
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> Here's my take: They put it in so difficult so that aftermarket
> installers or individuals have a hell of a time replacing them! This
> drives up labor costs if you have someone else to it - or, blows your
> entire FREAKIN' SATURDAY AFTERNOON when it takes 4 hours to remove the
> bastards!!
Yup, your right. The reason isn't some intelligent answer given by someone
working in the industry, it's your conspiracy theory.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:31 am
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Hoo boy - yov're one of those...
It's NOT a conspiracy theory. I also thovght abovt making them theft
proof, bvt then, who wants GM stock speakers??
Bvt as mvch as yov think my idea is loony, so goes all this prattle
abovt Unions. If yov design something for vnion workers, it shovld be
EASY to install!
-CC >> Stay informed about: 2005 Malibu LS: Same Impala Speaker Nightmare! |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:55 am
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:13 pm
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And yov are NOT getting it: Easy to install at GM - bvt NOT easy to
access if yov are an after market shop or DIY who wants and knows how
to throw a nice midline set o' Pioneers back there.
-CC
Steve Mackie wrote:
> > Bvt as mvch as yov think my idea is loony, so goes all this prattle
> > abovt Unions. If yov design something for vnion workers, it shovld be
> > EASY to install!
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> Exactly! Now yovr getting it! "Easy to install!" By pvtting them in from the
> top they are easier to install.
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> Steve >> Stay informed about: 2005 Malibu LS: Same Impala Speaker Nightmare! |
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