190E 2.3 vs. 2.6

The 2.6 is a little more difficult to work on. The six is longer and is
shoe-horned into the 201 chassis. For example replacement of the belt
tensioner requires removal of the radiator.
Peter


"Paddington" <tifosi3085 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > Is there a noticeable difference between these two engines as far as
power,
 > performance, smoothness, reliability, etc etc. . Is it worth holding out
for
 > a 2.6 over the 2.3? Just curious...
 >
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2.6 is an in-line six and hence smoother. Its also more powerful. Both
should be cheap nowadays
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 > Is there a noticeable difference between these two engines as far as
power,
 > performance, smoothness, reliability, etc etc. . Is it worth holding out
for
 > a 2.6 over the 2.3? Just curious...
 >
 >
 >
 >
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 > Is there a noticeable difference between these two engines as far as power,
 > performance, smoothness, reliability, etc etc. . Is it worth holding out for
 > a 2.6 over the 2.3? Just curious...

The w201 is a small car, a 2.3 is more than adequate enough for it. It's even quite good in a w124 with manual transmission. My
brother had a w124 5spd with a 2.6 and it would drive over 120mph up mountain highways here in BC. In a w201 it would be a rocket,
as a friend said who owned one. Keep your Porsche for the fast driving and get a sensible benz for your everyday commuting, better
to wait out for one in good condition. Better to pay upfront for something exceptional than attempting to fix up a beater.

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Why not go for the 190-2.5 16v. Lumpy idle but fast. Reliable if it's been
looked after. Should be good for over 140mph and power slides.
"cp" <asdf RemoveThis @adsf.com> wrote in message news:wVwoe.33067$wr.17776@clgrps12...
  >> Is there a noticeable difference between these two engines as far as
  >> power,
  >> performance, smoothness, reliability, etc etc. . Is it worth holding out
  >> for
  >> a 2.6 over the 2.3? Just curious...
 >
 > The w201 is a small car, a 2.3 is more than adequate enough for it. It's
 > even quite good in a w124 with manual transmission. My brother had a w124
 > 5spd with a 2.6 and it would drive over 120mph up mountain highways here
 > in BC. In a w201 it would be a rocket, as a friend said who owned one.
 > Keep your Porsche for the fast driving and get a sensible benz for your
 > everyday commuting, better to wait out for one in good condition. Better
 > to pay upfront for something exceptional than attempting to fix up a
 > beater.
 >
 > cp
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Damn,what kind of diesel do you drive,a Mercedes Benz C-111/III ?
140 mph plus in a diesel does not sound safe and
all that racket,sheeezzz!
 >> Stay informed about: 190E 2.3 vs. 2.6 

 > Why not go for the 190-2.5 16v. Lumpy idle but fast. Reliable if it's been looked after. Should be good for over 140mph and power
 > slides.

The guy's got a Porsche

I wouldn't mind one if I lived in Europe, there's quite a bit of them there.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/c5tkm" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/c5tkm</a>

Though 140mph is not fast enough for me, I've driven faster in diesels . No use for a car like that in the US unless you live
near a raceway or are not afraid of being arrested :\

What was the last year of the 16v? My father or myself might go to Europe later in the summer, always brings some cars back, a 16v
would be more interesting than a diesel westfalia like last time

Is there an interested in these cars on this continent? Would an American be allowed to buy one from Europe? hmmm could make it an
ebay business...

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Sorry,but I'm not that diesel savvy! Do modern diesels use the power
steering pump for the supply
of vacumm for power brakes still?This is what I mean as far as
unsafe.That would be a bad day indeed if power steering belt flew off
at such great
speeds and have to stop in a hurry.DOA!!!
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In article <1118044637.422101.132370.DeleteThis@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "CaptainW116" <benznut450.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
 >Damn,what kind of diesel do you drive,a Mercedes Benz C-111/III ?
 >140 mph plus in a diesel does not sound safe and
 >all that racket,sheeezzz!
 >

Most any modern high end German diesel will go 140mph. Some are considerably
faster. I think the top-spec MB S-class, BMW 7 and Audi A8 diesels are all
limited to 155mph. Unlimited, maybe 160? The VW Pheaton with the 330hp V10
would probably go 175mph without the limiter. Heck, even a top spec VW Golf
TDI will go 145mph or so. Of course, the only one of the above that is sold in
the US is the MB E320(?), that is still good for 140+, even in US spec.

I owned a US-spec 2002 VW Golf TDI, 90hp version. It would go an indicated
115mph all day long, and dead quiet too. Top spec in Europe in the same car is
now 185hp I believe.

Kevin Rhodes
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I don't recall any Merc's that used the PAS pump for vacuum. They either
have a vacuum pump driven off the engine directly or they use the
Sensotronic Braking System. (I only go back as far as W123's)
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 > Sorry,but I'm not that diesel savvy! Do modern diesels use the power
 > steering pump for the supply
 > of vacumm for power brakes still?This is what I mean as far as
 > unsafe.That would be a bad day indeed if power steering belt flew off
 > at such great
 > speeds and have to stop in a hurry.DOA!!!
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 > Damn,what kind of diesel do you drive,a Mercedes Benz C-111/III ?
Heck no, but my 300D has the same engine! (or similar)

 > 140 mph plus in a diesel does not sound safe and

Modern diesels

 >all that racket,sheeezzz!

)))

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 > Damn,what kind of diesel do you drive,a Mercedes Benz C-111/III ?

The last generation of 7 series BMWs had a diesel model which went almost 190mph.
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There's even an AMG Diesel, here from Juergen's site

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.mbspy.com/w203c30.htm" target="_blank">http://www.mbspy.com/w203c30.htm</a>

Also, SLK diesel

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 > Damn,what kind of diesel do you drive,a Mercedes Benz C-111/III ?
 > 140 mph plus in a diesel does not sound safe and
 > all that racket,sheeezzz!
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cp wrote:
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 > What was the last year of the 16v? My father or myself might go to Europe later in the summer, always brings some cars back, a 16v
 > would be more interesting than a diesel westfalia like last time
 >
 > Is there an interested in these cars on this continent? Would an American be allowed to buy one from Europe? hmmm could make it an
 > ebay business...

The short answer is yes but with conditions.

You are allowed to import the non-US compliant vehicles to the USA, BUT
you cannot drive or register the vehicle yet. The registered importers
ought to sort the paperwork on your behalf for ridiculous amount of
money. The compliance process is not cheap, especially for vehicles
never been imported to the USA, namely 190E 2,5-16 EVO.

1. If the vehicle is not on the NHTSA list of approved vehicles and
their variants, you must petition for the approval to homologate your
non-US compliant vehicle to meet the DOT and EPA regulations.
2. If the vehicle is approved, you must enlist the registered importer
to release it from US Customs stranglehold, er, I mean, hold.
3. The registered importer must do all of compliance work in accordance
to the FMVSS108 for the build year: the list is quite long.
4. In addition, the registered importer must certify that the motor and
its ancillaries meet EPA pollution regulations for the build year.
5. You can always convert the vehicle back to its original ECE version
once US Customs cleared the paperwork and once the vehicle is registered
with the state DMV agency. Make sure the registered importer agreed to
retain all of original components and turn them over to you.

OR

You can wait five more years for the exempt on 1985 model as NHTSA
allows the vehicles 25-year-old or older to bypass the compulsory safety
regulations, BUT EPA will say, 'not so fast'. You must certify that the
vehicle meets the EPA regulation for the build year.

OR

You can push the Congress to repeal the silly laws that created NHTSA.
Congress is looking into the issue whether NHTSA is serving the public
safety or not. We need to demand that US become the signatory member of
ECE international automotive safety regulations. NHTSA has been a tragic
mistake since its creation in the late 1960s and has failed the public
many times over.

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