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C. E. White

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:01 am
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Well I just got my 2008 Consumer Reports Survey Form. As usual I am
shocked by how little information they gather and dismayed by how
seriously people take the results.

Here are the "car"questions and my comments:

There were general introductory questions about the car model (2 max)
and miles driven for each vehicle. These were followed by the specific
information gathering questions:

1) "If you had any problems with your car in the past 12 months that
you considered SERIOUS because of cost, failure, safety, or downtime,
select the appropriate box(es) for each car.

INCLUDE PROBLEMS COVERED BY WARRANTY. DO NOT INCLUDE: 1) problems
resulting from accident damage; 2) recalls; or 3) replacement of
normal maintenance items (brake pads, batteries) unless they were
replaced much sooner or more often than expected." Various categories
are listed (the ones in the magazine with the circles).

My comment - CR is depending on the car owner to decide what is
serious. Well that might be fine for you, but how do you know what I
will find serious? My Sister drove around for years in a Honda that
sounded like a Saturn V on take-off. She was fine with that. I drove
the car to work one day and swore I'd never drive it again. My SO's
RAV4 has rear seat releases that don't work -they never have. She
could care less. It drives me crazy. The cruise control on Her RAV4
won't allow you to drive certain speeds if the A/C is on - it just
goes crazy, upshifting and downshifting, etc. She could care less -
not a problem. I think it is a major problem.

2) "Considering all factors (price, performance, reliability, comfort,
enjoyment, etc.) would you get this car if you had it to do all over
again?"

My comment - What does this mean? If I could go back to 2006, would I
make the same buying decision? When they provide me a time machine,
this question would make sense. I am sure if I bought a new car today,
I would by a different car, but not because there is anything wrong
with my current car, I would want something different, and there are
new choices.

3) "How satisfied are you with this vehicle with respect to each of
the following?" Various areas are listed.

My comment - just asking an opinion - no hard data.

4) "Did this vehicle get any maintenance (e.g., oil change/ lube/tire
rotations) or repairs in the past 12 months?"

My comment - this was really a transition question into a portion of
the survey related to car repair. It might be interesting if they
published the results of this by model.

5) "In the following question, exclude accident repair and new tires.
Which, if any, of the following performed the maintenance and
repairs?" The list included dealers, independents, fast lube places,
other.

My comment - no real relationship to the quality of the car. I
answered "other," so I did not see any follow-up questions.

6) "Did you buy any new tires for this vehicle in the past 12 months?"

My comment - not sure why they asked. I did not buy tires last year,
so I did not see any follow-up questions.

7) "Was any work done in the past 12 months (excluding accident
damage) covered by a warranty or by a recall notice?"

My comment - I had no repair or recall work done in the last 12
months, so I answered no and did not see any follow-up questions.

Cool "About how much did you pay in total for maintenance and repair of
this vehicle in the past 12 months? Include all out-of-pocket costs
for tires, parts, fluids and labor. Select appropriate category.
Select 'None" if you had no out-of-pocket costs for this vehicle
during this period."

My comment - at least this was an attempt to get some "hard" data, but
it is a feeble one. How many people actually know how much they spent?
I do my own oil changes, so I estimated the cost of the 4 oil changes
I did last year. That was my total maintenance unless you wanted to
include going through the car wash. A person that took their car to
the dealer for oil changes probably paid 4 or 5 times as much for the
same services. How is that accounted for? Why do they ask about tires
here, but not in other sections? Tire wear is heavily influenced by
the driver and location. Tire replacement is not a yearly expense. I
wonder how this figures into the maintenance cost for a new model that
was first introduced in say 2005? Seems like the money spent on tire
replacement would spike after the model was 2 or 3 years old.

Ed

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Dave and Trudy

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:02 pm
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"C. E. White" <cewhite3.RemoveThis@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Well I just got my 2008 Consumer Reports Survey Form. As usual I am
> shocked by how little information they gather and dismayed by how
///snipped///

I gave up on CR years ago Ed. I am convinced (cant prove it) that they have
their reporting minds made up in advance and collect just enough data to
look good and use only those data that fit their preconception...I know this
will start a firestorm but that is my opinion.

DaveD

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Mark Jones2

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:13 pm
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krp wrote:
> But FORD still owns the repair shops, They are the
> mechanic's favorite cars. But did you ever notice that the mechanics
> don't drive them themselves?

What a load of nonsense. I have owned 4 Fords and they
all required near zero maintenance other than routine
wear items. My 2004 Ford F-150 is the best vehicle that
I have ever owned, and that is saying a lot when my
other vehicle is a Corvette that has only had major
repairs once. That was after about 10 years of driving
it, so that is real good.
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Mike hunt

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:19 pm
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If you believe Fords are so bad why do the vast majority of fleets buy Ford
vehicles more than any other brand, including Toyota and Honda and have
continued to do so over and over again for years on end?

Corporate fleets unlike rental car companies keep their vehicles, like all
other tools used in their business, for fie years because of federal
corporate tax depredation laws. It is not uncommon to see corporate feet
vehicles with 300K on the clock still running fine Wink

" krp" <krp2457k.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave and Trudy" <dtdodson.DeleteThis@acsalaska.net> wrote in message
> news:47fafc6d$1@news.acsalaska.net...
>
>> The only thing they are close to being right about is the Honda. We
>> have
> 3 of them. They are great cars. They couldn't very well attack them. BUT
> they DO rate some others higher. Much of what you see is really slanted.
> CR spares on amount of negative ink for American cars, particularly
> Chrysler products that have been among the better cars on the road for the
> past decade. Yeah they have made some stinkers. But FORD still owns the
> repair shops, They are the mechanic's favorite cars. But did you ever
> notice that the mechanics don't drive them themselves?
>
> CR - CLAIMS not to be in the pocket of the manufacturers. OH BULLSHIT!
>
>
>
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krp

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:41 pm
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"Mark Jones" <noemail.DeleteThis@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> krp wrote:
>> But FORD still owns the repair shops, They are the
>> mechanic's favorite cars. But did you ever notice that the mechanics
>> don't drive them themselves?
>
> What a load of nonsense. I have owned 4 Fords and they
> all required near zero maintenance other than routine
> wear items. My 2004 Ford F-150 is the best vehicle that
> I have ever owned,

That's NOT a CAR it is a TRUCK. Ford builds a pretty okay TRUCK. BUT they
have lost market share to Japan and Company like mad in the mast 5 years.
Toyota is right on their rear with the Tundra. Nissan is coming up too.
Honda is back in the pack but starting to sell. Even Dodge has cut into Ford
sales especially in the south.
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Mark Jones2

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:41 pm
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krp wrote:
> "Mark Jones" <noemail.DeleteThis@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:tvSdnVsMm5taKGbanZ2dnUVZ_rOqnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> krp wrote:
>>> But FORD still owns the repair shops, They are the
>>> mechanic's favorite cars. But did you ever notice that the mechanics
>>> don't drive them themselves?
>>
>> What a load of nonsense. I have owned 4 Fords and they
>> all required near zero maintenance other than routine
>> wear items. My 2004 Ford F-150 is the best vehicle that
>> I have ever owned,
>
> That's NOT a CAR it is a TRUCK. Ford builds a pretty okay TRUCK. BUT
> they have lost market share to Japan and Company like mad in the mast
> 5 years. Toyota is right on their rear with the Tundra. Nissan is
> coming up too. Honda is back in the pack but starting to sell. Even
> Dodge has cut into Ford sales especially in the south.

2 of the 4 vehicles were cars. My trucks will either be a Ford or
a Chevy/GMC.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:20 am
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"Mark Jones" <noemail.DeleteThis@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>>>> But FORD still owns the repair shops, They are the
>>>> mechanic's favorite cars. But did you ever notice that the mechanics
>>>> don't drive them themselves?
>>>
>>> What a load of nonsense. I have owned 4 Fords and they
>>> all required near zero maintenance other than routine
>>> wear items. My 2004 Ford F-150 is the best vehicle that
>>> I have ever owned,
>>
>> That's NOT a CAR it is a TRUCK. Ford builds a pretty okay TRUCK. BUT
>> they have lost market share to Japan and Company like mad in the mast
>> 5 years. Toyota is right on their rear with the Tundra. Nissan is
>> coming up too. Honda is back in the pack but starting to sell. Even
>> Dodge has cut into Ford sales especially in the south.

> 2 of the 4 vehicles were cars. My trucks will either be a Ford or
> a Chevy/GMC.

I don't remember the F-150 being a model of the Mustang. Maybe it is a
new Sporty model by Carroll Shelby? You are welcome to your choices. I had
great luck with Chrysler products and am doing fine with my Honda SUV.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:19 pm
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krp wrote:
> "Mark Jones" <noemail.RemoveThis@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:PMKdnU0ThK_VbGbanZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
>>>>> But FORD still owns the repair shops, They are the
>>>>> mechanic's favorite cars. But did you ever notice that the
>>>>> mechanics don't drive them themselves?
>>>>
>>>> What a load of nonsense. I have owned 4 Fords and they
>>>> all required near zero maintenance other than routine
>>>> wear items. My 2004 Ford F-150 is the best vehicle that
>>>> I have ever owned,
>>>
>>> That's NOT a CAR it is a TRUCK. Ford builds a pretty okay TRUCK. BUT
>>> they have lost market share to Japan and Company like mad in the
>>> mast 5 years. Toyota is right on their rear with the Tundra. Nissan
>>> is coming up too. Honda is back in the pack but starting to sell.
>>> Even Dodge has cut into Ford sales especially in the south.
>
>> 2 of the 4 vehicles were cars. My trucks will either be a Ford or
>> a Chevy/GMC.
>
> I don't remember the F-150 being a model of the Mustang. Maybe it
> is a new Sporty model by Carroll Shelby?

How long have you been this stupid? Is it a recent occurrence,
or have you been this stupid since birth?
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:38 pm
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"Mark Jones" <noemail RemoveThis @mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>> But FORD still owns the repair shops, They are the
>>>>>> mechanic's favorite cars. But did you ever notice that the
>>>>>> mechanics don't drive them themselves?
>>>>>
>>>>> What a load of nonsense. I have owned 4 Fords and they
>>>>> all required near zero maintenance other than routine
>>>>> wear items. My 2004 Ford F-150 is the best vehicle that
>>>>> I have ever owned,
>>>>
>>>> That's NOT a CAR it is a TRUCK. Ford builds a pretty okay TRUCK. BUT
>>>> they have lost market share to Japan and Company like mad in the
>>>> mast 5 years. Toyota is right on their rear with the Tundra. Nissan
>>>> is coming up too. Honda is back in the pack but starting to sell.
>>>> Even Dodge has cut into Ford sales especially in the south.
>>
>>> 2 of the 4 vehicles were cars. My trucks will either be a Ford or
>>> a Chevy/GMC.
>>
>> I don't remember the F-150 being a model of the Mustang. Maybe it
>> is a new Sporty model by Carroll Shelby?
>
> How long have you been this stupid? Is it a recent occurrence,
> or have you been this stupid since birth?

It took 6+ years of college I guess. But tell me is that a Shelby F-150? Or
just the GT model?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:22 am
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Concur with Mark - my 2000 Ranger has had NO Problems - my 2000 Corvette is
the same. I must admit my wife's Cadillac Seville has had a few - most of
the time an independent repair shop gave up on finding the problem because
they lack Cadillac's expensive diagnostic machines - they are different from
the rest of GM.

"Mark Jones" <noemail.RemoveThis@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> krp wrote:
>> But FORD still owns the repair shops, They are the
>> mechanic's favorite cars. But did you ever notice that the mechanics
>> don't drive them themselves?
>
> What a load of nonsense. I have owned 4 Fords and they
> all required near zero maintenance other than routine
> wear items. My 2004 Ford F-150 is the best vehicle that
> I have ever owned, and that is saying a lot when my
> other vehicle is a Corvette that has only had major
> repairs once. That was after about 10 years of driving
> it, so that is real good.
>
>
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