Wow! How about that new Genesis!

631grant wrote:
> The opinions of the group??? The group consists of three ' I can afford it,
> so I'll buy it' frequent visitors who I knew when I originally posted would
> come jumping into the mire. I was really sickened last night when I saw an
> ad for a hybrid Navigator (or other behemoth). Now THAT is really
> STUPID............. and shows what car companies think of the consumer
> mentality. Just because Matt and Mike and benick (???) think big is better,
> I guess it is a foregone conclusion that it must be true. Take a trip to
> Europe and see how even BIG people like benick get around without huge cars.

You are a liar as I have never said that bigger is better. Find one
place where I ever wrote that.

Matt
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Matt, Matt, Matt.
Calling someone a liar is not a very nice thing to do but I would expect
nothing less of you since you seem to flourish at giving snide one liners in
your posts.
For one, you said "You simply think that your vehicle is the gold standard
for what fuel
mileage should be and anyone who drives a vehicle that gets less mileage
than your current vehicle is wasteful."
While not directly stating bigger is better, your snippet suggests
such with the 'less mileage'.

AND "That doesn't matter. The point is that you are complaining about
people
who drive trucks that get worse mileage than your Sonata. " is another
example that shows you support the proliferation of trucks on the road.

AND FINALLY "And just what size vehicles do you propose to outlaw? Lemme
guess,
anything larger than what YOU drive, right?"

All of these remarks point to the fact that you do, indeed, support the
larger is better theory. So stick that up your gas tank, Matt.

Oh, and I drive a Sonata, a VW Jetta, and a BIG Kia Sedona (less than 800
miles a year). The Sonata will be gone as soon as the first car company
introduces a small, reasonably priced fuel efficient diesel car that I like.
I know you'll snap up the gas guzzling Sedona as soon as I trade it in.
It's extra heavy and give a lot of protection on the road AND can haul a
month's worth of groceries. I'll even throw in the enclosed trailer that I
pull with it so you can bring your big appliances home with you.




"Matt Whiting" <whiting.TakeThisOut@epix.net> wrote in message
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> 631grant wrote:
>> The opinions of the group??? The group consists of three ' I can afford
>> it, so I'll buy it' frequent visitors who I knew when I originally posted
>> would come jumping into the mire. I was really sickened last night when
>> I saw an ad for a hybrid Navigator (or other behemoth). Now THAT is
>> really STUPID............. and shows what car companies think of the
>> consumer mentality. Just because Matt and Mike and benick (???) think
>> big is better, I guess it is a foregone conclusion that it must be true.
>> Take a trip to Europe and see how even BIG people like benick get around
>> without huge cars.
>
> You are a liar as I have never said that bigger is better. Find one place
> where I ever wrote that.
>
> Matt
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631grant wrote:
> I've been to Europe many times and NEVER have I seen a pickup truck of the
> size of the US version. Those workers get the job done and haul their tools
> without a big truck. In fact, it is extremely rare to even see a small
> pickup truck. They mainly use little panel trucks that work very well,
> evidently. Point is that you don't NEED that F350 to haul a tool
> box................

I've been to Europe many times also and lived there for more than 4
months a couple of decades ago. Everything in Europe is smaller,
refrigerators were not much larger than my college dorm fridge and most
other appliances were similarly smaller. You don't need a large truck
to carry small stuff, I agree. However, many in the UK had to visit the
grocery store multiple times a week to get what they needed as they
could fit only so much in their refrigerators and small kitchens. This
isn't a problem when the store is 1 km distant, but I live 5 miles from
the nearest convenience store and 15 from the nearest real supermarket.
So, getting a jug of milk requires a 10 mile drive. I could buy an 8
cu ft fridge and drive to the store every other day, but I think it more
efficient to load my fridge once a week and save the driving. However,
this does require larger trucks to deliver such appliances, but I
believe the trade-off is in my favor.

Energy consumption is a complex system and often the "obviously" smart
choice is actually the wrong choice when the total system is evaluated.

Matt
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Let me understand this, Matt. You couldn't get a week's worth of groceries
in a small car?????? Bad comparison. Sorry. They don't have small cars in
Europe because they have small refrigerators and don't need to haul a lot of
groceries. You certainly are smart enough to not buy a large truck just to
pick up a large appliance. If you are any good at negotiating, you can get
it delivered as part of the purchase.


"Matt Whiting" <whiting.RemoveThis@epix.net> wrote in message
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................
>
> I've been to Europe many times also and lived there for more than 4 months
> a couple of decades ago. Everything in Europe is smaller, refrigerators
> were not much larger than my college dorm fridge and most other appliances
> were similarly smaller. You don't need a large truck to carry small
> stuff, I agree. However, many in the UK had to visit the grocery store
> multiple times a week to get what they needed as they could fit only so
> much in their refrigerators and small kitchens. This isn't a problem when
> the store is 1 km distant, but I live 5 miles from the nearest convenience
> store and 15 from the nearest real supermarket. So, getting a jug of milk
> requires a 10 mile drive. I could buy an 8 cu ft fridge and drive to the
> store every other day, but I think it more efficient to load my fridge
> once a week and save the driving. However, this does require larger
> trucks to deliver such appliances, but I believe the trade-off is in my
> favor.
>
> Energy consumption is a complex system and often the "obviously" smart
> choice is actually the wrong choice when the total system is evaluated.
>
> Matt
>
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631grant wrote:
> Well, Mike, you have also bolstered my position that we will never progress
> until we can buy and drive small cars and feel safe. That will not happen
> until we outlaw, out-legislate, or out-tax the huge vehicles from our roads.
> In the meantime, we are mired in the indecision and nearsightedness so
> evident on this board and in our society.

And just what size vehicles do you propose to outlaw? Lemme guess,
anything larger than what YOU drive, right?

Matt
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631grant wrote:
> Let me understand this, Matt. You couldn't get a week's worth of groceries
> in a small car?????? Bad comparison. Sorry. They don't have small cars in
> Europe because they have small refrigerators and don't need to haul a lot of
> groceries. You certainly are smart enough to not buy a large truck just to
> pick up a large appliance. If you are any good at negotiating, you can get
> it delivered as part of the purchase.

You really need to work on your reading comprehension. SOMEBODY needs a
large truck to deliver a 22 cu ft refrigerator, a freezer, a washer and
dryer, etc. Just because somebody else has to buy the truck doesn't
change the fallacy of your argument against large trucks.

I also plow my own driveway (it is 1700' feet long), haul my own
firewood, etc. This doesn't work well with a small car...

Matt
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Yes, but that truck is a diesel used exclusively to deliver product to
multiple locations making it efficient to operate. It isn't used to haul
the wife to the mall or the kids to a soccer game or all the other wasteful
trips that the truck takes during its lifetime.
Plowing a driveway is a legitimate use but with a year's worth of fuel
difference between the 17 mpg truck and a 32 mpg car, you could hire someone
to plow it. Also, I use a 4 wheeler trailer to haul my firewood so I only
have to pull the trailer a few times a year and not haul the weight of the
truck the rest of the year. That's something else you see in Europe. They
have a lot of trailer hitches for just such occasions.

My reading comprehension is quite good but it just makes me sick to read
your drivel.......


"Matt Whiting" <whiting RemoveThis @epix.net> wrote in message
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> 631grant wrote:
>> Let me understand this, Matt. You couldn't get a week's worth of
>> groceries in a small car?????? Bad comparison. Sorry. They don't have
>> small cars in Europe because they have small refrigerators and don't need
>> to haul a lot of groceries. You certainly are smart enough to not buy a
>> large truck just to pick up a large appliance. If you are any good at
>> negotiating, you can get it delivered as part of the purchase.
>
> You really need to work on your reading comprehension. SOMEBODY needs a
> large truck to deliver a 22 cu ft refrigerator, a freezer, a washer and
> dryer, etc. Just because somebody else has to buy the truck doesn't
> change the fallacy of your argument against large trucks.
>
> I also plow my own driveway (it is 1700' feet long), haul my own firewood,
> etc. This doesn't work well with a small car...
>
> Matt
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"631grant" <tjwitman RemoveThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Yes, but that truck is a diesel used exclusively to deliver product to
> multiple locations making it efficient to operate. It isn't used to haul
> the wife to the mall or the kids to a soccer game or all the other
> wasteful trips that the truck takes during its lifetime.
> Plowing a driveway is a legitimate use but with a year's worth of fuel
> difference between the 17 mpg truck and a 32 mpg car, you could hire
> someone to plow it. Also, I use a 4 wheeler trailer to haul my firewood
> so I only have to pull the trailer a few times a year and not haul the
> weight of the truck the rest of the year. That's something else you see
> in Europe. They have a lot of trailer hitches for just such occasions.
>
> My reading comprehension is quite good but it just makes me sick to read
> your drivel.......


Should the Gov. regulate food? Some people eat A LOT!! How about
electricity? medicine? Perhaps the size of your home or the amount of land
you own. Who needs a 1700' driveway, that is a tremendous waste of a natural
resource. (land) We all know Bill Gates has no right to consume all of that
money. I guess you know better than us common idiot folk. Good thing we have
your kind looking out for us. Produce a small vehicle that people like and
it'll sell.




>
>
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting RemoveThis @epix.net> wrote in message
> news:6Drqj.160$kD5.2082@news1.epix.net...
>> 631grant wrote:
>>> Let me understand this, Matt. You couldn't get a week's worth of
>>> groceries in a small car?????? Bad comparison. Sorry. They don't have
>>> small cars in Europe because they have small refrigerators and don't
>>> need to haul a lot of groceries. You certainly are smart enough to not
>>> buy a large truck just to pick up a large appliance. If you are any
>>> good at negotiating, you can get it delivered as part of the purchase.
>>
>> You really need to work on your reading comprehension. SOMEBODY needs a
>> large truck to deliver a 22 cu ft refrigerator, a freezer, a washer and
>> dryer, etc. Just because somebody else has to buy the truck doesn't
>> change the fallacy of your argument against large trucks.
>>
>> I also plow my own driveway (it is 1700' feet long), haul my own
>> firewood, etc. This doesn't work well with a small car...
>>
>> Matt
>
>
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631grant wrote:
> Matt, Matt, Matt.
> Calling someone a liar is not a very nice thing to do but I would expect
> nothing less of you since you seem to flourish at giving snide one liners in
> your posts.

It was an accurate statement, neither nice nor not nice.


> For one, you said "You simply think that your vehicle is the gold standard
> for what fuel
> mileage should be and anyone who drives a vehicle that gets less mileage
> than your current vehicle is wasteful."
> While not directly stating bigger is better, your snippet suggests
> such with the 'less mileage'.


It suggests nothing about what I think. It suggests what I thought the
other poster was thinking. Big difference.


> AND "That doesn't matter. The point is that you are complaining about
> people
> who drive trucks that get worse mileage than your Sonata. " is another
> example that shows you support the proliferation of trucks on the road.

No, it suggests that I don't like hypocrites.


> AND FINALLY "And just what size vehicles do you propose to outlaw? Lemme
> guess,
> anything larger than what YOU drive, right?"
>
> All of these remarks point to the fact that you do, indeed, support the
> larger is better theory. So stick that up your gas tank, Matt.

They neither state nor even suggest any such thing. Time to learn how
to read and, more importantly, comprehend what you read.


> Oh, and I drive a Sonata, a VW Jetta, and a BIG Kia Sedona (less than 800
> miles a year). The Sonata will be gone as soon as the first car company
> introduces a small, reasonably priced fuel efficient diesel car that I like.
> I know you'll snap up the gas guzzling Sedona as soon as I trade it in.
> It's extra heavy and give a lot of protection on the road AND can haul a
> month's worth of groceries. I'll even throw in the enclosed trailer that I
> pull with it so you can bring your big appliances home with you.

Nah, I don't want a Kia.

Matt
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Well, I can still comprehend, my friend and say what you will, I can
comprehend that you are a closed minded liar, not me.

One thing I really like about being retired is that I can sit here and bait
you guys into arguing about anything. ) It just points out that everyone
has points of view that they are willing to defend at any cost. Never mind
what is right or wrong. If you believe in it, your mind is closed to any
other options or opinions. This is a several thousand year old trait that
is repeated over and over in history. Only history will record which of us
is correct, but, unfortunately, I think that there won't be anyone around to
write it.



"Matt Whiting" <whiting.TakeThisOut@epix.net> wrote in message
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> 631grant wrote:
>> Matt, Matt, Matt.
>> Calling someone a liar is not a very nice thing to do but I would expect
>> nothing less of you since you seem to flourish at giving snide one liners
>> in your posts.
>
> It was an accurate statement, neither nice nor not nice.
>
>
>> For one, you said "You simply think that your vehicle is the gold
>> standard for what fuel
>> mileage should be and anyone who drives a vehicle that gets less mileage
>> than your current vehicle is wasteful."
>> While not directly stating bigger is better, your snippet suggests
>> such with the 'less mileage'.
>
>
> It suggests nothing about what I think. It suggests what I thought the
> other poster was thinking. Big difference.
>
>
>> AND "That doesn't matter. The point is that you are complaining about
>> people
>> who drive trucks that get worse mileage than your Sonata. " is another
>> example that shows you support the proliferation of trucks on the road.
>
> No, it suggests that I don't like hypocrites.
>
>
>> AND FINALLY "And just what size vehicles do you propose to outlaw? Lemme
>> guess,
>> anything larger than what YOU drive, right?"
>>
>> All of these remarks point to the fact that you do, indeed, support the
>> larger is better theory. So stick that up your gas tank, Matt.
>
> They neither state nor even suggest any such thing. Time to learn how to
> read and, more importantly, comprehend what you read.
>
>
>> Oh, and I drive a Sonata, a VW Jetta, and a BIG Kia Sedona (less than 800
>> miles a year). The Sonata will be gone as soon as the first car company
>> introduces a small, reasonably priced fuel efficient diesel car that I
>> like. I know you'll snap up the gas guzzling Sedona as soon as I trade it
>> in. It's extra heavy and give a lot of protection on the road AND can
>> haul a month's worth of groceries. I'll even throw in the enclosed
>> trailer that I pull with it so you can bring your big appliances home
>> with you.
>
> Nah, I don't want a Kia.
>
> Matt
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Rev.,

I agree....on my 3rd Hyundai!

When I have more time, I'll read the MANY threads to the original post.


Steve


"Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt DeleteThis @grics.net> wrote in message
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> Yeah, but you will be happy with the Sonata. Its V6 version is one of the
> smoothest powerplants I have ever heard in a car. Plenty of power and
> beautiful to drive.
>
> This is a car company that really needs to be watched. They seem to be
> doing a lot of things right.
>
>
> <bought2bought DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:b50d16a4-c6ea-4230-bd16-2031c69c1510@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> Just saw a commercial during the Super Bowl for the Hyundai Genesis!
>> Too bad i can't afford to buy one, so i have to settle for the Sonata,
>> but that Genesis is a beauty!! Hyundai has come a long long long
>> way!!!
>
>
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With all of his lights on!!!!


Steve



"Matt Whiting" <whiting.RemoveThis@epix.net> wrote in message
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> Thee Chicago Wolf wrote:
>>> And nobody needs a Sonata either. What a gas hog when you can ride a
>>> bicycle or drive a Prius!
>>
>> Dude, the 08 4-cyl Sonata gets better gas mileage and has more
>> horsepower than my 02. 09 Sonata is supposed to be even better. I am
>> hoping my 02 lasts until Hyundai comes out with their Hybrids (2011?
>> 2012?).
>
> That doesn't matter. The point is that you are complaining about people
> who drive trucks that get worse mileage than your Sonata. I'm simply
> point out how hypocritical you are since you are driving a vehicle that
> gets much poorer mileage than alternatives such as the Prius.
>
> Kind of like Al Gore in his energy guzzling mansion flying around in jets
> and complaining about global warming.
>
> Matt
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631grant wrote:
> Well, I can still comprehend, my friend and say what you will, I can
> comprehend that you are a closed minded liar, not me.
>
> One thing I really like about being retired is that I can sit here and bait
> you guys into arguing about anything. ) It just points out that everyone
> has points of view that they are willing to defend at any cost. Never mind
> what is right or wrong. If you believe in it, your mind is closed to any
> other options or opinions. This is a several thousand year old trait that
> is repeated over and over in history. Only history will record which of us
> is correct, but, unfortunately, I think that there won't be anyone around to
> write it.

Ha, ha, ha... You have yet to figure out who is the fish and who is the
fisherman.
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