Wow! How about that new Genesis!

I wondered when you were going to jump in, Matt. )

You're right that next step should be a Prius 'like' vehicle. I just can't
understand why Hyundai is going the other way. They've made diesels for
ever and certainly have the know-how.


"Matt Whiting" <whiting RemoveThis @epix.net> wrote in message
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> Thee Chicago Wolf wrote:
>>> I guess you can't read either...I use my truck for WORK...Look it up if
>>> you
>>> don't know what it means.....By the way ,what do you drive and how big
>>> is
>>> your house? Public Transportation and Public Housing maybe???? I'll get
>>> rid
>>> of my truck when Al Gore starts riding a bike and living in a
>>> Tee-Pee...LOL
>>
>> I own my own house and I drive an 02 Sonata.
>>
>> I understand people who drive trucks for work (i.e., construction,
>> carrying payload, etc.). No one needs a crew-cab V8 with 8ft bed or
>> dualie to get groceries or drive to the office. Same for Hummers, same
>> for Navigators, same for blah blah blah. But, people can do whatever
>> they want with their money. If you can afford it, good for you. Don't
>> screw the rest of the American populous in the interim with you
>> obsession with waste and consumerism. Exxon is happy that you've
>> helped them break a global record for profit on gas this past year.
>> Yay for you. May the Arab Oil Czars put their blessing on you and your
>> family. Allah Ahkbar.
>
> And nobody needs a Sonata either. What a gas hog when you can ride a
> bicycle or drive a Prius!
>
> Matt
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The real point is that the Sonato, nor any other car sold in the US, is
capable of giving fuel mileage even close to what they should be giving. If
we got off our butts and put diesels in all our cars, large and small, we
would probably be oil independent given the 35% improvement in fuel economy
that diesels are capable of giving. Three Chicago Wolf is right on and
benick is hopelessly entrenched in his own little world to ever see out into
the real world and recognize where his offspring will be in 20 years. His
group's legacy to them is what is dooming all our children.


"Matt Whiting" <whiting.DeleteThis@epix.net> wrote in message
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> Thee Chicago Wolf wrote:
>>> NO... This may sound alien to ya but I work for myself(construction)
>>> and have written paychecks to employees...Hell, I not only shop at
>>> Walmart , my wife works there. I drive a 95 Silverado for work,wife
>>> drives an 06 Elantra.If you could see my size you would understand why I
>>> refer to subcompacts as go-carts...LOL... I work DAMN hard to earn my
>>> money and will spend it as I see fit.Screw you nanny types and global
>>> warming snake oil salesmen........
>>
>> You don't even see the irony in it all. I never mentioned global
>> warming. I am talking about rate of consumption. Big difference.
>> Please continue to support the Chinese and Arab economies, they're
>> depending on you.
>
> And you with that gas guzzling Sonata that doesn't even get 30 MPG.
 >> Stay informed about: Wow! How about that new Genesis! 

The opinions of the group??? The group consists of three ' I can afford it,
so I'll buy it' frequent visitors who I knew when I originally posted would
come jumping into the mire. I was really sickened last night when I saw an
ad for a hybrid Navigator (or other behemoth). Now THAT is really
STUPID............. and shows what car companies think of the consumer
mentality. Just because Matt and Mike and benick (???) think big is better,
I guess it is a foregone conclusion that it must be true. Take a trip to
Europe and see how even BIG people like benick get around without huge cars.

"Matt Whiting" <whiting RemoveThis @epix.net> wrote in message
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> Thee Chicago Wolf wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:31:51 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting RemoveThis @epix.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>> "Thee Chicago Wolf" <.@.> wrote in message
>>>>> Why should someone's "work" truck consume at twice the rate my car
>>>>> does and not pay any penalty just because of a loophole in a law?
>>>> And why should they pay a penalty beyond the price they already pay for
>>>> the vehicle and fuel? You're starting to sound like you're all about
>>>> penalizing anyone who does not fit into your definition of what is
>>>> acceptable.
>>> That is exactly what he is about.
>>
>> Matt, we all know you have no valid opinion. You just zing from the
>> outskirts and have no position. Troll.
>
> Funny, it seems that the opinions of the group are running unanimously
> against you. So who has the more valid opinion?
 >> Stay informed about: Wow! How about that new Genesis! 

Wow, now we have Rob chiming in with another "I can afford it, so I'll buy
it, you tree hugger' comment!!!.................... I'm not a tree hugger.
I'm just realistic about the future for my children if you people keep
buying large cars and trucks that force the rest of us to retaliate out of
safety concerns to get equally big cars to survive impacts with your
behemoths. I also am tired of no one putting pressure on the government to
actually do something substantial to improve mileage and encourage the
manufacture of truly small cars while at the same time, aggressively
eliminating the incentives to buy huge cars. I've actually written to all
my Congressmen outlining the problem and offering several solutions, both
short term and long term. Have any of you 'squanders'? Would you continue
to buy or keep your huge truck or car if you had to pay a yearly penalty of
2% of your adjusted gross income? I don't think even Al Gore would like
that. It would make you finally see the light that you don't NEED that huge
vehicle and there are alternatives. That would free up the highways and
allow we sane folk to buy the small cars we want to buy and create a demand
that the auto industry would gladly fill.


"Rob" <bucfan11 DeleteThis @SPAMtampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>> Why should someone's "work" truck consume at twice the rate my car
>> does and not pay any penalty just because of a loophole in a law?
>
> They pay twice as much to go the same distance
>
>
>> Nobody drives Fiats in this country and to say people drive "go-karts"
>> shows us how much of a manly man you are by insulting the group.
>
> Didn't insult me... Your socialism does. I drive a 06 Sonata 6 cyl. Does
> that mean I'm screwing the rest of you because I did not get the 4 cyl? I
> own a 07 F150 8' bed...6 cyl. Does that mean I'm some kind of evil person
> for owning a long bed truck...or maybe I'm a saint because it's only a 6
> cyl. I don't have a 4 door 8 cyl because I can't afford one. If I could
> and I wanted one the gov. has no business telling me what to drive. It's
> called free market economics, build a vehicle that people like more than
> their SUVs and they will buy them. I have no problem with SUV getting NO
> special treatment but I do have a problem with them being penalized
> because some liberal tree hugger thinks they're evil.
 >> Stay informed about: Wow! How about that new Genesis! 

Benick keeps referring to Al Gore. Benick, have you ever watched Al Gore's
'Inconvenient Truth' and comprehended what he was outlining for you? Or did
you just take someone's word that it was a bunch of tree-hugging bum dope?


"benick" <benick RemoveThis @fairpoint.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Thee Chicago Wolf" <.@.> wrote in message
> news:4e7hq3l2ca9p8k4hc1dhf7s5d4n49ourm9@4ax.com...
>> >What an idiot.. I hate "nanny types" who think they know what's best for
>>>everyone. I'll spend MY MONEY as I see fit.You want to drive a go-cart so
>>>the government should outlaw SUV's and trucks? That's just what we
>>>need...More nanny laws to regulate behavior..Was you born stupid or is it
>>>something you work on daily.I can just imagin trying to haul all my tools
>>>and materials around in a Yugo...You want to drive around with your knees
>>>on
>>>your chest,fine go for it but leave me the hell alone....I suppose next
>>>you
>>>will be whining that my house is to big as well and we need laws to
>>>regulate
>>>square footage per person....Socialist moonbat.....
>>
>> Why should the rest of America pay for your overconsumption of gas? So
>> what if you have the money, you anti-americanism stinks.
>>
>> - Thee Chicago Wolf
>
> I guess you can't read either...I use my truck for WORK...Look it up if
> you
> don't know what it means.....By the way ,what do you drive and how big is
> your house? Public Transportation and Public Housing maybe???? I'll get
> rid
> of my truck when Al Gore starts riding a bike and living in a
> Tee-Pee...LOL
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Wow! How about that new Genesis! 

There you go!!! My point exactly! Thanks, Finn, for showing everyone that
we cannot buy a 'sane' sized vehicle as long as people keep driving huge
cars....


"Finn" <newsgroup_spamtrap.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>
> I live in canuck-ville where gas cost a lot more and drive a sanata fe, i
> will not trade it in for a accent to save a few bucks on gas...
> I would love a diesel Santa fe, but do not think we will see one anytime
> soon. I see too many compact cars smashed to pieces when they are
> involved in an accident.
> I prefer to keep my family safe in a suv.
>
> my 0.02 c
> Finn
>
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Well, Mike, you have also bolstered my position that we will never progress
until we can buy and drive small cars and feel safe. That will not happen
until we outlaw, out-legislate, or out-tax the huge vehicles from our roads.
In the meantime, we are mired in the indecision and nearsightedness so
evident on this board and in our society.


"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE.TakeThisOut@alltel.net> wrote in message
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> That's one way to look at the matter. Another is that the real idiots are
> those who blindly think they can drive around in the lightest, smallest,
> most vulnerable pieces of junk, with a singular focus on the economics of
> their vehicle, and then blame others who actually care about other factors
> (like survivability) for the consequences of their decisions.
>
> Long ago I lived in Okinawa for three years. At the time, a 60's Ford
> Falcon was a large car, and you'd see something like it from time to time
> on the roads. Mostly, you saw and you drove things more akin to a
> motorcycle with a cheap frame and body around it, and mounted on four
> wheels instead of two. Common engines were indeed a 360cc motorcycle
> engine. Fuel economy was pretty darned good. Safety wasn't. Those
> vehicles didn't have to encounter an SUV, or a pickup, or a full frame
> vehicle to present a real danger to the occupants. Anything more
> significant than a strong wind presented a significant danger to the
> occupants. "Real cars" of the time which were a lot lighter and smaller
> than an Accord is today were a very real threat to these things. The
> point is that there is a point where this blind pursuit of economy,
> ignorant of all other factors is as idiotic as anything else. These
> voices that cry out about how endangered they are by "big behemoths" are
> nothing short of idiotic.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE.TakeThisOut@alltel.net
>
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There's the Mike I know and love! ) Right to the point.
Well, I own a 07 Sonata so I guess that's your 'cheap piece of junk' you're
talking about. Oh, that's right, you own one too! I want very, very much
to buy a smaller car but as I said many times, I was forced to buy something
reasonably able to survive a crash with 'benick's' wasteful, useless truck.
The 'plight of my life' is that I'm retired with a sizeable sum in the banks
plus Vanguard Funds and living quite well with cars in the garage and food
in the fridge. Don't worry about me. I'll make it. Worry about your
children and grandchildren. They are the ones getting screwed by you
people.


"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE.DeleteThis@alltel.net> wrote in message
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>
> "631grant" <tjwitman.DeleteThis@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:_xLpj.80210$rc2.37929@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>> Yea, it's beautiful but you have to ask yourself what are these car
>> companies thinking? Introduce a car with 375 horsepower on premium gas
>> at $3.25 a gallon instead of a smaller diesel powered car that we sane
>> people want? I say 'sane' because there are those of you out there with
>> the 'I can afford it so I'm going to get it' mindset that has the rest of
>> us sane people forced into larger vehicles just because 'we want some
>> protection in case we get hit by one of the behemoths that surround us on
>> the highways'. Legislate and tax the big SUV's off the highways and see
>> how quickly small cars will proliferate. Oh how I hate yuppies!
>>
>
> Yeah - I hate yuppies too. They whine too much about what everyone else
> has, that they don't believe those other people should have. Oh by the
> way - don't blame people with more safe cars for your plight in life. Go
> ahead and buy that tin can. After all, it does not matter if other cars
> on the road are big enough to harm you - you already placed yourself in
> that position with your decision to purchase a cheap piece of junk that
> something as benign as a tree along side of the road would threaten.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE.DeleteThis@alltel.net
>
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Wow, I was waiting for the mini-gun version. I love the sight of those
tracers tearing things up. Throw in a couple of Bofors as optional
equipment and I'll take it - if it gets 45 mpg.


"St Peters" <Pastor.RemoveThis@StPetersWaterford.com> wrote in message
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> Yes, it is cool. But it's not big enough or expensive enough for me. I'm
> waiting for Hyundai to move into production their concept car, the Hyundai
> "Tanker". It has tracks instead of tires and sports an optional 50mm
> cannon. That'll piss off the eco-loony Democrats and also make the
> Republicans in the SUV's think twice before they tailgate.
>
> Fred
>
> <bought2bought.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:b50d16a4-c6ea-4230-bd16-2031c69c1510@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> Just saw a commercial during the Super Bowl for the Hyundai Genesis!
>> Too bad i can't afford to buy one, so i have to settle for the Sonata,
>> but that Genesis is a beauty!! Hyundai has come a long long long
>> way!!!
>
>
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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:56:47 -0500, "benick" <benick.TakeThisOut@fairpoint.net>
wrote:

>
>"Thee Chicago Wolf" <.@.> wrote in message
>news:4e7hq3l2ca9p8k4hc1dhf7s5d4n49ourm9@4ax.com...
>> >What an idiot.. I hate "nanny types" who think they know what's best for
>>>everyone. I'll spend MY MONEY as I see fit.You want to drive a go-cart so
>>>the government should outlaw SUV's and trucks? That's just what we
>>>need...More nanny laws to regulate behavior..Was you born stupid or is it
>>>something you work on daily.I can just imagin trying to haul all my tools
>>>and materials around in a Yugo...You want to drive around with your knees
>>>on
>>>your chest,fine go for it but leave me the hell alone....I suppose next
>>>you
>>>will be whining that my house is to big as well and we need laws to
>>>regulate
>>>square footage per person....Socialist moonbat.....
>>
>> Why should the rest of America pay for your overconsumption of gas? So
>> what if you have the money, you anti-americanism stinks.
>>
>> - Thee Chicago Wolf
>
>I guess you can't read either...I use my truck for WORK...Look it up if you
>don't know what it means.....By the way ,what do you drive and how big is
>your house? Public Transportation and Public Housing maybe???? I'll get rid
>of my truck when Al Gore starts riding a bike and living in a Tee-Pee...LOL
>
Hey...leave Al Gore alone...after all he invented the internet...and
uses it frequently while flying around on his private jet.

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"631grant" <tjwitman RemoveThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Benick keeps referring to Al Gore. Benick, have you ever watched Al
> Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' and comprehended what he was outlining for
> you?


Ooops... You just lost any credibility you had.



Or did
> you just take someone's word that it was a bunch of tree-hugging bum dope?
>
>
> "benick" <benick RemoveThis @fairpoint.net> wrote in message
> news:YMudnQUPjafiIjXanZ2dnUVZ_oesnZ2d@neonova.net...
>>
>> "Thee Chicago Wolf" <.@.> wrote in message
>> news:4e7hq3l2ca9p8k4hc1dhf7s5d4n49ourm9@4ax.com...
>>> >What an idiot.. I hate "nanny types" who think they know what's best
>>> >for
>>>>everyone. I'll spend MY MONEY as I see fit.You want to drive a go-cart
>>>>so
>>>>the government should outlaw SUV's and trucks? That's just what we
>>>>need...More nanny laws to regulate behavior..Was you born stupid or is
>>>>it
>>>>something you work on daily.I can just imagin trying to haul all my
>>>>tools
>>>>and materials around in a Yugo...You want to drive around with your
>>>>knees on
>>>>your chest,fine go for it but leave me the hell alone....I suppose next
>>>>you
>>>>will be whining that my house is to big as well and we need laws to
>>>>regulate
>>>>square footage per person....Socialist moonbat.....
>>>
>>> Why should the rest of America pay for your overconsumption of gas? So
>>> what if you have the money, you anti-americanism stinks.
>>>
>>> - Thee Chicago Wolf
>>
>> I guess you can't read either...I use my truck for WORK...Look it up if
>> you
>> don't know what it means.....By the way ,what do you drive and how big is
>> your house? Public Transportation and Public Housing maybe???? I'll get
>> rid
>> of my truck when Al Gore starts riding a bike and living in a
>> Tee-Pee...LOL
>>
>>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Wow! How about that new Genesis! 

"631grant" <tjwitman DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> There's the Mike I know and love! ) Right to the point.
> Well, I own a 07 Sonata so I guess that's your 'cheap piece of junk'
> you're talking about. Oh, that's right, you own one too! I want very,
> very much to buy a smaller car but as I said many times, I was forced to
> buy something reasonably able to survive a crash with 'benick's' wasteful,
> useless truck. The 'plight of my life' is that I'm retired with a sizeable
> sum in the banks plus Vanguard Funds and living quite well with cars in
> the garage and food in the fridge. Don't worry about me. I'll make it.
> Worry about your children and grandchildren. They are the ones getting
> screwed by you people.

How did you get so old without learning anything? Al Gore...what a joke.
If you believe anything that spews from his mouth, I'll sell you a F150 long
bed that gets 100 MPG.


>
>
> "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE DeleteThis @alltel.net> wrote in message
> news:74596$47a86b9b$a22700f5$29447@ALLTEL.NET...
>>
>> "631grant" <tjwitman DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:_xLpj.80210$rc2.37929@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>>> Yea, it's beautiful but you have to ask yourself what are these car
>>> companies thinking? Introduce a car with 375 horsepower on premium gas
>>> at $3.25 a gallon instead of a smaller diesel powered car that we sane
>>> people want? I say 'sane' because there are those of you out there with
>>> the 'I can afford it so I'm going to get it' mindset that has the rest
>>> of us sane people forced into larger vehicles just because 'we want some
>>> protection in case we get hit by one of the behemoths that surround us
>>> on the highways'. Legislate and tax the big SUV's off the highways and
>>> see how quickly small cars will proliferate. Oh how I hate yuppies!
>>>
>>
>> Yeah - I hate yuppies too. They whine too much about what everyone else
>> has, that they don't believe those other people should have. Oh by the
>> way - don't blame people with more safe cars for your plight in life. Go
>> ahead and buy that tin can. After all, it does not matter if other cars
>> on the road are big enough to harm you - you already placed yourself in
>> that position with your decision to purchase a cheap piece of junk that
>> something as benign as a tree along side of the road would threaten.
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Mike-
>> mmarlowREMOVE DeleteThis @alltel.net
>>
>
>
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And why did I lose credibility, Rob. Just because you didn't watch it
either? Sometimes the facts are hard to accept, I know.


"Rob" <bucfan11.RemoveThis@SPAMtampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> Ooops... You just lost any credibility you had.
>
>
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