VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix?

"Mike Smith" <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith DeleteThis @acm.DOT.org> wrote in message
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> mike wrote:
> > Ray O wrote:
> >> VW probably wants single-line dealerships,
> >
> > most of the VW dealers i know about sell another line of cars, usually
> > audi.
>
> That kind of surprises me, since VW and Audi are starting to eat into
> each other's markets. Here on Long Island, I don't know of any combined
> VW/Audi dealerships. In fact, I know of one case where there are a VW
> dealer and an Audi dealer less than 1/4 mile from each other, on "dealer
> row" in Smithtown.
>
> --
> Mike Smith (it's my kinda town!

Our VW dealer where we bought our Rabbit is a VW/Audi?Subaru dealer FWIW...
Tanukiki
 >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? 

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:17:57 -0600, WT wrote:

> I have been driving a 1986 VW GTI for the past 10 years, and since she's
> starting to show her 20 years of age, I may soon be looking for a
> replacement. My VW driving and owning experiences have been good, although
> certainly not flawless. Here in Canada, VW are offering the 2007 City Golf
> for a very reasonable price. It's basically a 4-door A4 Golf, 2.0L engine,
> disk brakes on all 4 corners. With options like air conditioning and cruise
> control, it prices in around $20K CDN. Pretty good warranty. I like the
> hatchback versatility, and like I said, I have enjoyed driving my GTI.
>
> However, as many of you will know, VW are not necessarily leaders in
> reliability, at least according to the summaries in Consumer Reports and
> other sources. Toyotas seem to rank much better in the reliabilty area.
> (Yes, I know those are statistics, and it is possible to get a trouble-free
> VW or a lemon Toyota.) Looking at Toyota's lineup, the Matrix is the
> closest match to the City Golf,

Yaris...You guys have had them longer than us!
What engine did VW put in that A-Body, anyway?
Used to be you couldn't buy an A-body in the US because of safety issues.
Esp when you have a Cellphone jabbering Soccer Mom in an Expedition with
10 screaming kids; her mind isn't exactly on driving, ya dig?


> in terms of size and configuration. With
> similar options, the Matrix price is comparable, perhaps a bit higher. From
> doing some on-line comparisons, here are some pros that I've found for each:
>
> VW City Golf -
> ==========
> PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes; torque
> peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
> sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
>
>
> TOYOTA MATRIX
> ==============
> PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
> reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
>
> Opinions, please!
 >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? 

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:17:57 -0600, WT wrote:

> I have been driving a 1986 VW GTI for the past 10 years, and since she's
> starting to show her 20 years of age, I may soon be looking for a
> replacement. My VW driving and owning experiences have been good, although
> certainly not flawless. Here in Canada, VW are offering the 2007 City Golf
> for a very reasonable price. It's basically a 4-door A4 Golf, 2.0L engine,
> disk brakes on all 4 corners. With options like air conditioning and cruise
> control, it prices in around $20K CDN. Pretty good warranty. I like the
> hatchback versatility, and like I said, I have enjoyed driving my GTI.
>
> However, as many of you will know, VW are not necessarily leaders in
> reliability, at least according to the summaries in Consumer Reports and
> other sources. Toyotas seem to rank much better in the reliabilty area.
> (Yes, I know those are statistics, and it is possible to get a trouble-free
> VW or a lemon Toyota.) Looking at Toyota's lineup, the Matrix is the
> closest match to the City Golf,

Yaris...You guys have had them longer than us!
What engine did VW put in that A-Body, anyway?
Used to be you couldn't buy an A-body in the US because of safety issues.
Esp when you have a Cellphone jabbering Soccer Mom in an Expedition with
10 screaming kids; her mind isn't exactly on driving, ya dig?


> in terms of size and configuration. With
> similar options, the Matrix price is comparable, perhaps a bit higher. From
> doing some on-line comparisons, here are some pros that I've found for each:
>
> VW City Golf -
> ==========
> PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes; torque
> peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
> sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
>
>
> TOYOTA MATRIX
> ==============
> PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
> reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
>
> Opinions, please!
 >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? 

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2.DeleteThis@mailcity.com> wrote in
news:yiadndiqKfUTKsHYUSdV9g@ptd.net:

> I was Group Sales Manager for one of the largest mega dealerships
> groups on the east coast, that operated in six states, we sold most
> every brand on the market. To be viable in the very completive
> automobile market a dealership must sell at least 500 new vehicles and
> unload at least half of the traded vehicles every month. The size of
> the market has little to do with it. Most of our Groups sold at least
> five brands and one actually sold 15. In all cases the warranty and
> service work was completed in a common service area in facilities that
> were all relatively new.
>
>
> mike hunt
>


I think you're misrepresenting something when you say:
"a dealership must sell at least 500 new vehicles..."

I worked for a dealership and it sold one line comfortably with between
about 100-150 cars per month. Mixed new and used.
The GM was successful enough with salary and bonuses to end up buying the
dealership.


JP

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 >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? 

>>
>> Calm down and enjoy life. All hostility does is shorten it and make you
>> miserable while you are here.
>
> You're not familiar with Mr. Hunt are you? He's just an idiot and
> deserves to be run off, and I don't say that of many people. I'd like him
> to feel as unwelcome as humanly possible. Look for his many other posts
> on rec.autos.tech and alt.autos.gm if you don't believe me.
>

I don't care about whatever it is that you don't like about this guy Hunt.
It just doesn't matter. Tomorrow afternoon take your girlfriend or wife out
and have a margarita. Enjoy!
 >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? 

>>
>> Calm down and enjoy life. All hostility does is shorten it and make you
>> miserable while you are here.
>
> You're not familiar with Mr. Hunt are you? He's just an idiot and
> deserves to be run off, and I don't say that of many people. I'd like him
> to feel as unwelcome as humanly possible. Look for his many other posts
> on rec.autos.tech and alt.autos.gm if you don't believe me.
>

I don't care about whatever it is that you don't like about this guy Hunt.
It just doesn't matter. Tomorrow afternoon take your girlfriend or wife out
and have a margarita. Enjoy!
 >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? 

> You're not familiar with Mr. Hunt are you? He's just an idiot and
> deserves to be run off, and I don't say that of many people. I'd like
> him to feel as unwelcome as humanly possible. Look for his many other
> posts on rec.autos.tech and alt.autos.gm if you don't believe me.

Nate, maybe you're taking this whole newsgroup thing a little too
seriously. Relax. No one deserves to be run off usenet, or made to
feel unwelcome. Made to feel ignored, sure. If he's really as bad as
you say he is, then there's nothing more that needs to be said.
 >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? 

> You're not familiar with Mr. Hunt are you? He's just an idiot and
> deserves to be run off, and I don't say that of many people. I'd like
> him to feel as unwelcome as humanly possible. Look for his many other
> posts on rec.autos.tech and alt.autos.gm if you don't believe me.

Nate, maybe you're taking this whole newsgroup thing a little too
seriously. Relax. No one deserves to be run off usenet, or made to
feel unwelcome. Made to feel ignored, sure. If he's really as bad as
you say he is, then there's nothing more that needs to be said.
 >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? 

Nate Nagel wrote:

>You're not familiar with Mr. Hunt are you? He's just an idiot and
>deserves to be run off, and I don't say that of many people. I'd like
>him to feel as unwelcome as humanly possible.

You go.
 >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? 

Nate Nagel wrote:

>You're not familiar with Mr. Hunt are you? He's just an idiot and
>deserves to be run off, and I don't say that of many people. I'd like
>him to feel as unwelcome as humanly possible.

You go.
 >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? 

dizzy wrote:
> Nate Nagel wrote:
>
>
>>You're not familiar with Mr. Hunt are you? He's just an idiot and
>>deserves to be run off, and I don't say that of many people. I'd like
>>him to feel as unwelcome as humanly possible.
>
>
> You go.
>

Fine, if you'd like this NG to turn into a cesspit of bullshit and
misinformation (like he's tried to do with several others) I'll go.
You're welcome to My Cunt if you think he can give you better advice
about VWs than I can.

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 >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? 

Nate Nagel wrote:

>dizzy wrote:
>> Nate Nagel wrote:
>>
>>>You're not familiar with Mr. Hunt are you? He's just an idiot and
>>>deserves to be run off, and I don't say that of many people. I'd like
>>>him to feel as unwelcome as humanly possible.
>>
>> You go.
>
>Fine, if you'd like this NG to turn into a cesspit of bullshit and
>misinformation (like he's tried to do with several others) I'll go.
>You're welcome to My Cunt if you think he can give you better advice
>about VWs than I can.

Umm... I meant "you go" as an endorsement of what you wrote.
 >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? 

In addition to the Matrix and City Golf, a few co-workers have
suggested I look at the Honda Fit, which is their new (new to North
America, at least) 4-door hatchback. Honda's also have high
reliability records.

Responses on this thread to the Golf vs Matrix comparison have mostly
concluded that the Golf's more fun to drive, and the Matrix is more
reliable, but not as "refined". Where does the Fit fit in comparison?

WT wrote:
>
> VW City Golf -
> ==========
> PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes; torque
> peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
> sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
>
>
> TOYOTA MATRIX
> ==============
> PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
> reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
>
> Opinions, please!
 >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix?