VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix?

Take your pick

VW Golf (Rabbit) Great car, mediocre reliability
Toyota Matrix (Corolla) Mediocre car, great reliability



"WT" <waltert RemoveThis @mts.net> wrote in message
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>I have been driving a 1986 VW GTI for the past 10 years, and since she's
> starting to show her 20 years of age, I may soon be looking for a
> replacement. My VW driving and owning experiences have been good,
> although
> certainly not flawless. Here in Canada, VW are offering the 2007 City
> Golf
> for a very reasonable price. It's basically a 4-door A4 Golf, 2.0L
> engine,
> disk brakes on all 4 corners. With options like air conditioning and
> cruise
> control, it prices in around $20K CDN. Pretty good warranty. I like the
> hatchback versatility, and like I said, I have enjoyed driving my GTI.
>
> However, as many of you will know, VW are not necessarily leaders in
> reliability, at least according to the summaries in Consumer Reports and
> other sources. Toyotas seem to rank much better in the reliabilty area.
> (Yes, I know those are statistics, and it is possible to get a
> trouble-free
> VW or a lemon Toyota.) Looking at Toyota's lineup, the Matrix is the
> closest match to the City Golf, in terms of size and configuration. With
> similar options, the Matrix price is comparable, perhaps a bit higher.
> From
> doing some on-line comparisons, here are some pros that I've found for
> each:
>
> VW City Golf -
> ==========
> PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes;
> torque
> peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
> sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
>
>
> TOYOTA MATRIX
> ==============
> PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
> reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
>
> Opinions, please!
>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? 

Take your pick

VW Golf (Rabbit) Great car, mediocre reliability
Toyota Matrix (Corolla) Mediocre car, great reliability



"WT" <waltert.TakeThisOut@mts.net> wrote in message
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>I have been driving a 1986 VW GTI for the past 10 years, and since she's
> starting to show her 20 years of age, I may soon be looking for a
> replacement. My VW driving and owning experiences have been good,
> although
> certainly not flawless. Here in Canada, VW are offering the 2007 City
> Golf
> for a very reasonable price. It's basically a 4-door A4 Golf, 2.0L
> engine,
> disk brakes on all 4 corners. With options like air conditioning and
> cruise
> control, it prices in around $20K CDN. Pretty good warranty. I like the
> hatchback versatility, and like I said, I have enjoyed driving my GTI.
>
> However, as many of you will know, VW are not necessarily leaders in
> reliability, at least according to the summaries in Consumer Reports and
> other sources. Toyotas seem to rank much better in the reliabilty area.
> (Yes, I know those are statistics, and it is possible to get a
> trouble-free
> VW or a lemon Toyota.) Looking at Toyota's lineup, the Matrix is the
> closest match to the City Golf, in terms of size and configuration. With
> similar options, the Matrix price is comparable, perhaps a bit higher.
> From
> doing some on-line comparisons, here are some pros that I've found for
> each:
>
> VW City Golf -
> ==========
> PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes;
> torque
> peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
> sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
>
>
> TOYOTA MATRIX
> ==============
> PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
> reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
>
> Opinions, please!
>
>
>
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Ray O wrote:
> VW probably wants single-line dealerships,

most of the VW dealers i know about sell another line of cars, usually audi.
 >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? 

Ray O wrote:
> VW probably wants single-line dealerships,

most of the VW dealers i know about sell another line of cars, usually audi.
 >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? 

"mike" <mikeinthe562athotmail.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ray O wrote:
>> VW probably wants single-line dealerships,
>
> most of the VW dealers i know about sell another line of cars, usually
> audi.

Multi-line dealerships are more common in smaller markets in order to get a
large enough sales volume to make the dealership profitable. In larger
markets, single-line dealerships are more common than multi-line.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
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"mike" <mikeinthe562athotmail.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ray O wrote:
>> VW probably wants single-line dealerships,
>
> most of the VW dealers i know about sell another line of cars, usually
> audi.

Multi-line dealerships are more common in smaller markets in order to get a
large enough sales volume to make the dealership profitable. In larger
markets, single-line dealerships are more common than multi-line.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
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Built_Well wrote:
>
> Would you believe in Columbia, Missouri, a good-sized city of
> roughly 100,000 people, there is not a single VW dealership.
> Everybody's here--Mazda, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Caddy, Hyundai,
> even Kia--but not Volkswagon.

Not terribly surprising. In all of Nassau and Suffolk counties (NY), an
area of some 3 million people, there are only 7 VW dealerships that I
know of. That's an average of one for every 400,000 people, or so.

--
Mike Smith
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Built_Well wrote:
>
> Would you believe in Columbia, Missouri, a good-sized city of
> roughly 100,000 people, there is not a single VW dealership.
> Everybody's here--Mazda, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Caddy, Hyundai,
> even Kia--but not Volkswagon.

Not terribly surprising. In all of Nassau and Suffolk counties (NY), an
area of some 3 million people, there are only 7 VW dealerships that I
know of. That's an average of one for every 400,000 people, or so.

--
Mike Smith
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Ray O wrote:
> mike wrote
>
>> Ray O wrote:
>>> VW probably wants single-line dealerships,
>> most of the VW dealers i know about sell another line of cars, usually
>> audi.
>
> Multi-line dealerships are more common in smaller markets in order to get
> a large enough sales volume to make the dealership profitable. In larger
> markets, single-line dealerships are more common than multi-line.
=====

I have to agree with Ray O. In my small market of Columbia, the local
Toyota dealership (Machens) sells new Toyotas and BMWs on the same lot.
They're called "Machens Toyota/BMW." Down the road just a little is their
Ford dealership called Machens Ford.

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I was Group Sales Manager for one of the largest mega dealerships groups on
the east coast, that operated in six states, we sold most every brand on the
market. To be viable in the very completive automobile market a dealership
must sell at least 500 new vehicles and unload at least half of the traded
vehicles every month. The size of the market has little to do with it.
Most of our Groups sold at least five brands and one actually sold 15. In
all cases the warranty and service work was completed in a common service
area in facilities that were all relatively new.


mike hunt


"Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Ray O wrote:
> > mike wrote
> >
> >> Ray O wrote:
> >>> VW probably wants single-line dealerships,
> >> most of the VW dealers i know about sell another line of cars, usually
> >> audi.
> >
> > Multi-line dealerships are more common in smaller markets in order to
> > get
> > a large enough sales volume to make the dealership profitable. In
> > larger
> > markets, single-line dealerships are more common than multi-line.
> =====
>
> I have to agree with Ray O. In my small market of Columbia, the local
> Toyota dealership (Machens) sells new Toyotas and BMWs on the same lot.
> They're called "Machens Toyota/BMW." Down the road just a little is their
> Ford dealership called Machens Ford.
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>
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mike wrote:
> Ray O wrote:
>> VW probably wants single-line dealerships,
>
> most of the VW dealers i know about sell another line of cars, usually
> audi.

That kind of surprises me, since VW and Audi are starting to eat into
each other's markets. Here on Long Island, I don't know of any combined
VW/Audi dealerships. In fact, I know of one case where there are a VW
dealer and an Audi dealer less than 1/4 mile from each other, on "dealer
row" in Smithtown.

--
Mike Smith (it's my kinda town!
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mike wrote:
> Ray O wrote:
>> VW probably wants single-line dealerships,
>
> most of the VW dealers i know about sell another line of cars, usually
> audi.

That kind of surprises me, since VW and Audi are starting to eat into
each other's markets. Here on Long Island, I don't know of any combined
VW/Audi dealerships. In fact, I know of one case where there are a VW
dealer and an Audi dealer less than 1/4 mile from each other, on "dealer
row" in Smithtown.

--
Mike Smith (it's my kinda town!
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mike wrote:
> Ray O wrote:
>> VW probably wants single-line dealerships,
>
> most of the VW dealers i know about sell another line of cars,
> usually audi.

LOL.

VAG ag Volkswagen Audi groupe.


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