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(Msg. 16) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:17 pm
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:39 pm
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"Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Would you believe in Columbia, Missouri, a good-sized city of
> roughly 100,000 people, there is not a single VW dealership.
> Everybody's here--Mazda, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Caddy, Hyundai,
> even Kia--but not Volkswagon.
>
>
Automakers use several criteria to decide where to put dealerships. There
are only 6 VW dealerships in the state of Missouri.
One of the main criteria is market size. For example assuming that
Columbia, MO and the neighboring radius that people would travel to purchase
a car has a population of 300,000.
We'll use conservative numbers for this example and say that 40% of the
population is of a car-buying age, so 300,000 X 40% = 120,000.
Let's say 40% of the population of people who are of car-buying age purchase
new vehicles instead of used vehicles: 120,000 X 40% = 48,000.
Now, let's say that the new car buying population buys a car every 4 years:
48,000 divided by 4 = 12,000
In our example, out of a total population of 300,000, we came up with 12,000
potential new car buyers every year (actual numbers are probably even
lower).
VW's market share in the U.S. is roughly 2.5%, and assuming that market
share applies in every market (it does not), then 15,000 X 2.5% = 300 annual
sales, or 25 per month.
VW probably wants single-line dealerships, and 25 new vehicles per month is
probably not enough for a dealer to invest close to $5 million and get a
decent return on his investment.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:39 pm
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"Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Would you believe in Columbia, Missouri, a good-sized city of
> roughly 100,000 people, there is not a single VW dealership.
> Everybody's here--Mazda, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Caddy, Hyundai,
> even Kia--but not Volkswagon.
>
>
Automakers use several criteria to decide where to put dealerships. There
are only 6 VW dealerships in the state of Missouri.
One of the main criteria is market size. For example assuming that
Columbia, MO and the neighboring radius that people would travel to purchase
a car has a population of 300,000.
We'll use conservative numbers for this example and say that 40% of the
population is of a car-buying age, so 300,000 X 40% = 120,000.
Let's say 40% of the population of people who are of car-buying age purchase
new vehicles instead of used vehicles: 120,000 X 40% = 48,000.
Now, let's say that the new car buying population buys a car every 4 years:
48,000 divided by 4 = 12,000
In our example, out of a total population of 300,000, we came up with 12,000
potential new car buyers every year (actual numbers are probably even
lower).
VW's market share in the U.S. is roughly 2.5%, and assuming that market
share applies in every market (it does not), then 15,000 X 2.5% = 300 annual
sales, or 25 per month.
VW probably wants single-line dealerships, and 25 new vehicles per month is
probably not enough for a dealer to invest close to $5 million and get a
decent return on his investment.
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Ray O
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:55 pm
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Ray O wrote:
> "Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:455b5a96$0$21103$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>> Would you believe in Columbia, Missouri, a good-sized city of
>> roughly 100,000 people, there is not a single VW dealership.
>> Everybody's here--Mazda, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Caddy, Hyundai,
>> even Kia--but not Volkswagon.
>>
>>
>
> Automakers use several criteria to decide where to put dealerships. There
> are only 6 VW dealerships in the state of Missouri.
>
> One of the main criteria is market size. For example assuming that
> Columbia, MO and the neighboring radius that people would travel to purchase
> a car has a population of 300,000.
>
> We'll use conservative numbers for this example and say that 40% of the
> population is of a car-buying age, so 300,000 X 40% = 120,000.
>
> Let's say 40% of the population of people who are of car-buying age purchase
> new vehicles instead of used vehicles: 120,000 X 40% = 48,000.
>
> Now, let's say that the new car buying population buys a car every 4 years:
> 48,000 divided by 4 = 12,000
>
> In our example, out of a total population of 300,000, we came up with 12,000
> potential new car buyers every year (actual numbers are probably even
> lower).
>
> VW's market share in the U.S. is roughly 2.5%, and assuming that market
> share applies in every market (it does not), then 15,000 X 2.5% = 300 annual
> sales, or 25 per month.
>
> VW probably wants single-line dealerships, and 25 new vehicles per month is
> probably not enough for a dealer to invest close to $5 million and get a
> decent return on his investment.
=====
Thanks for that expert analysis, as usual, Ray O. 
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:26 pm
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"WT" <waltert DeleteThis @mts.net> wrote in message
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>I have been driving a 1986 VW GTI for the past 10 years, and since she's
> starting to show her 20 years of age, I may soon be looking for a
> replacement. My VW driving and owning experiences have been good,
> although
> certainly not flawless. Here in Canada, VW are offering the 2007 City
> Golf
> for a very reasonable price. It's basically a 4-door A4 Golf, 2.0L
> engine,
> disk brakes on all 4 corners. With options like air conditioning and
> cruise
> control, it prices in around $20K CDN. Pretty good warranty. I like the
> hatchback versatility, and like I said, I have enjoyed driving my GTI.
>
> However, as many of you will know, VW are not necessarily leaders in
> reliability, at least according to the summaries in Consumer Reports and
> other sources. Toyotas seem to rank much better in the reliabilty area.
> (Yes, I know those are statistics, and it is possible to get a
> trouble-free
> VW or a lemon Toyota.) Looking at Toyota's lineup, the Matrix is the
> closest match to the City Golf, in terms of size and configuration. With
> similar options, the Matrix price is comparable, perhaps a bit higher.
> From
> doing some on-line comparisons, here are some pros that I've found for
> each:
>
> VW City Golf -
> ==========
> PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes;
> torque
> peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
> sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
>
>
> TOYOTA MATRIX
> ==============
> PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
> reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
>
> Opinions, please!
>
>
>
I have had three VW's and two Toyotas:
67 Karman Ghia -- too out of date to compare
86 GTI --Best handling car I have owned, reasonable reliability
90 Passat -- good handling, Lots of Shop time (wiring harness. rings, heater
core)
00 Camry -- pretty good handling, excellent reliability (no expenses beyond
maintenance and tires in 56k)
02 RAV 4 --decent handling, excellent reliability (maintenance, tires and
front brake pads).
YMMV, but Consumer Reports favors reliability of the Toyotas. Good luck
with your car hunting,
Tom >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? |
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:26 pm
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"WT" <waltert.TakeThisOut@mts.net> wrote in message
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>I have been driving a 1986 VW GTI for the past 10 years, and since she's
> starting to show her 20 years of age, I may soon be looking for a
> replacement. My VW driving and owning experiences have been good,
> although
> certainly not flawless. Here in Canada, VW are offering the 2007 City
> Golf
> for a very reasonable price. It's basically a 4-door A4 Golf, 2.0L
> engine,
> disk brakes on all 4 corners. With options like air conditioning and
> cruise
> control, it prices in around $20K CDN. Pretty good warranty. I like the
> hatchback versatility, and like I said, I have enjoyed driving my GTI.
>
> However, as many of you will know, VW are not necessarily leaders in
> reliability, at least according to the summaries in Consumer Reports and
> other sources. Toyotas seem to rank much better in the reliabilty area.
> (Yes, I know those are statistics, and it is possible to get a
> trouble-free
> VW or a lemon Toyota.) Looking at Toyota's lineup, the Matrix is the
> closest match to the City Golf, in terms of size and configuration. With
> similar options, the Matrix price is comparable, perhaps a bit higher.
> From
> doing some on-line comparisons, here are some pros that I've found for
> each:
>
> VW City Golf -
> ==========
> PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes;
> torque
> peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
> sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
>
>
> TOYOTA MATRIX
> ==============
> PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
> reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
>
> Opinions, please!
>
>
>
I have had three VW's and two Toyotas:
67 Karman Ghia -- too out of date to compare
86 GTI --Best handling car I have owned, reasonable reliability
90 Passat -- good handling, Lots of Shop time (wiring harness. rings, heater
core)
00 Camry -- pretty good handling, excellent reliability (no expenses beyond
maintenance and tires in 56k)
02 RAV 4 --decent handling, excellent reliability (maintenance, tires and
front brake pads).
YMMV, but Consumer Reports favors reliability of the Toyotas. Good luck
with your car hunting,
Tom >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? |
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:33 pm
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"WT" <waltert RemoveThis @mts.net> wrote in message
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> However, as many of you will know, VW are not necessarily leaders in
> reliability.......
My mechanic laughs when someone says VW. His intuition is spooky, so when he
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:33 pm
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"WT" <waltert.DeleteThis@mts.net> wrote in message
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> However, as many of you will know, VW are not necessarily leaders in
> reliability.......
My mechanic laughs when someone says VW. His intuition is spooky, so when he
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:36 pm
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"Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ray O wrote:
>> "Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:455b5a96$0$21103$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>>> Would you believe in Columbia, Missouri, a good-sized city of
>>> roughly 100,000 people, there is not a single VW dealership.
>>> Everybody's here--Mazda, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Caddy, Hyundai,
>>> even Kia--but not Volkswagon.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Automakers use several criteria to decide where to put dealerships.
>> There are only 6 VW dealerships in the state of Missouri.
>>
>> One of the main criteria is market size. For example assuming that
>> Columbia, MO and the neighboring radius that people would travel to
>> purchase a car has a population of 300,000.
>>
>> We'll use conservative numbers for this example and say that 40% of the
>> population is of a car-buying age, so 300,000 X 40% = 120,000.
>>
>> Let's say 40% of the population of people who are of car-buying age
>> purchase new vehicles instead of used vehicles: 120,000 X 40% = 48,000.
>>
>> Now, let's say that the new car buying population buys a car every 4
>> years: 48,000 divided by 4 = 12,000
>>
>> In our example, out of a total population of 300,000, we came up with
>> 12,000 potential new car buyers every year (actual numbers are probably
>> even lower).
>>
>> VW's market share in the U.S. is roughly 2.5%, and assuming that market
>> share applies in every market (it does not), then 15,000 X 2.5% = 300
>> annual sales, or 25 per month.
>>
>> VW probably wants single-line dealerships, and 25 new vehicles per month
>> is probably not enough for a dealer to invest close to $5 million and get
>> a decent return on his investment.
> =====
>
>
> Thanks for that expert analysis, as usual, Ray O.
>
You're welcome!
The process for determining where to put a dealership is a little more
refined, but that is the general idea.
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:36 pm
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"Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ray O wrote:
>> "Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:455b5a96$0$21103$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>>> Would you believe in Columbia, Missouri, a good-sized city of
>>> roughly 100,000 people, there is not a single VW dealership.
>>> Everybody's here--Mazda, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Caddy, Hyundai,
>>> even Kia--but not Volkswagon.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Automakers use several criteria to decide where to put dealerships.
>> There are only 6 VW dealerships in the state of Missouri.
>>
>> One of the main criteria is market size. For example assuming that
>> Columbia, MO and the neighboring radius that people would travel to
>> purchase a car has a population of 300,000.
>>
>> We'll use conservative numbers for this example and say that 40% of the
>> population is of a car-buying age, so 300,000 X 40% = 120,000.
>>
>> Let's say 40% of the population of people who are of car-buying age
>> purchase new vehicles instead of used vehicles: 120,000 X 40% = 48,000.
>>
>> Now, let's say that the new car buying population buys a car every 4
>> years: 48,000 divided by 4 = 12,000
>>
>> In our example, out of a total population of 300,000, we came up with
>> 12,000 potential new car buyers every year (actual numbers are probably
>> even lower).
>>
>> VW's market share in the U.S. is roughly 2.5%, and assuming that market
>> share applies in every market (it does not), then 15,000 X 2.5% = 300
>> annual sales, or 25 per month.
>>
>> VW probably wants single-line dealerships, and 25 new vehicles per month
>> is probably not enough for a dealer to invest close to $5 million and get
>> a decent return on his investment.
> =====
>
>
> Thanks for that expert analysis, as usual, Ray O.
>
You're welcome!
The process for determining where to put a dealership is a little more
refined, but that is the general idea.
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:54 pm
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Ray O wrote:
> "Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:455b7195$0$21087$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>> Ray O wrote:
>>> "Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:455b5a96$0$21103$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>>>> Would you believe in Columbia, Missouri, a good-sized city of
>>>> roughly 100,000 people, there is not a single VW dealership.
>>>> Everybody's here--Mazda, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Caddy, Hyundai,
>>>> even Kia--but not Volkswagon.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Automakers use several criteria to decide where to put dealerships.
>>> There are only 6 VW dealerships in the state of Missouri.
>>>
>>> One of the main criteria is market size. For example assuming that
>>> Columbia, MO and the neighboring radius that people would travel to
>>> purchase a car has a population of 300,000.
>>>
>>> We'll use conservative numbers for this example and say that 40% of the
>>> population is of a car-buying age, so 300,000 X 40% = 120,000.
>>>
>>> Let's say 40% of the population of people who are of car-buying age
>>> purchase new vehicles instead of used vehicles: 120,000 X 40% = 48,000.
>>>
>>> Now, let's say that the new car buying population buys a car every 4
>>> years: 48,000 divided by 4 = 12,000
>>>
>>> In our example, out of a total population of 300,000, we came up with
>>> 12,000 potential new car buyers every year (actual numbers are probably
>>> even lower).
>>>
>>> VW's market share in the U.S. is roughly 2.5%, and assuming that market
>>> share applies in every market (it does not), then 15,000 X 2.5% = 300
>>> annual sales, or 25 per month.
>>>
>>> VW probably wants single-line dealerships, and 25 new vehicles per month
>>> is probably not enough for a dealer to invest close to $5 million and get
>>> a decent return on his investment.
>> =====
>>
>>
>> Thanks for that expert analysis, as usual, Ray O.
>>
>
> You're welcome!
>
> The process for determining where to put a dealership is a little more
> refined, but that is the general idea.
=====
I'm just glad Toyota has a dealership here in Columbia! That's all I
really need.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:07 pm
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My choice for a new car is the Toyota Prius. It is a FULL hybrid that has
very low fuel consumption (the EPA combined city/highway rating is 55 mpg).
Toyota could easily double that figure if they would only go to the next
logical step and offer a Plug-In Hybrid Electric Vehicle (PHEV) option. >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? |
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:07 pm
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My choice for a new car is the Toyota Prius. It is a FULL hybrid that has
very low fuel consumption (the EPA combined city/highway rating is 55 mpg).
Toyota could easily double that figure if they would only go to the next
logical step and offer a Plug-In Hybrid Electric Vehicle (PHEV) option. >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? |
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:20 pm
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