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Since: Sep 17, 2005 Posts: 6
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:17 pm
Post subject: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? Archived from groups: rec>autos>makers>vw>watercooled, others (more info?)
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I have been driving a 1986 VW GTI for the past 10 years, and since she's
starting to show her 20 years of age, I may soon be looking for a
replacement. My VW driving and owning experiences have been good, although
certainly not flawless. Here in Canada, VW are offering the 2007 City Golf
for a very reasonable price. It's basically a 4-door A4 Golf, 2.0L engine,
disk brakes on all 4 corners. With options like air conditioning and cruise
control, it prices in around $20K CDN. Pretty good warranty. I like the
hatchback versatility, and like I said, I have enjoyed driving my GTI.
However, as many of you will know, VW are not necessarily leaders in
reliability, at least according to the summaries in Consumer Reports and
other sources. Toyotas seem to rank much better in the reliabilty area.
(Yes, I know those are statistics, and it is possible to get a trouble-free
VW or a lemon Toyota.) Looking at Toyota's lineup, the Matrix is the
closest match to the City Golf, in terms of size and configuration. With
similar options, the Matrix price is comparable, perhaps a bit higher. From
doing some on-line comparisons, here are some pros that I've found for each:
VW City Golf -
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PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes; torque
peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
TOYOTA MATRIX
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PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
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Since: Jun 02, 2006 Posts: 4627
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:51 pm
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"WT" <waltert.DeleteThis@mts.net> wrote in message
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>I have been driving a 1986 VW GTI for the past 10 years, and since she's
> starting to show her 20 years of age, I may soon be looking for a
> replacement. My VW driving and owning experiences have been good,
> although
> certainly not flawless. Here in Canada, VW are offering the 2007 City
> Golf
> for a very reasonable price. It's basically a 4-door A4 Golf, 2.0L
> engine,
> disk brakes on all 4 corners. With options like air conditioning and
> cruise
> control, it prices in around $20K CDN. Pretty good warranty. I like the
> hatchback versatility, and like I said, I have enjoyed driving my GTI.
>
> However, as many of you will know, VW are not necessarily leaders in
> reliability, at least according to the summaries in Consumer Reports and
> other sources. Toyotas seem to rank much better in the reliabilty area.
> (Yes, I know those are statistics, and it is possible to get a
> trouble-free
> VW or a lemon Toyota.) Looking at Toyota's lineup, the Matrix is the
> closest match to the City Golf, in terms of size and configuration. With
> similar options, the Matrix price is comparable, perhaps a bit higher.
> From
> doing some on-line comparisons, here are some pros that I've found for
> each:
>
> VW City Golf -
> ==========
> PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes;
> torque
> peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
> sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
>
>
> TOYOTA MATRIX
> ==============
> PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
> reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
>
> Opinions, please!
>
>
I am not that familiar with the current generation of VW's, but I recommend
that you drive the Matrix and Matrix-based Pontiac Vibe to see if you like
them because they probably have a different feel and handle differently from
the VW. I've seen very few posts about Matrix problems/issues in
alt.autos.toyota, if that an indication of their lack of problems.
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Ray O
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:51 pm
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"WT" <waltert.RemoveThis@mts.net> wrote in message
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>I have been driving a 1986 VW GTI for the past 10 years, and since she's
> starting to show her 20 years of age, I may soon be looking for a
> replacement. My VW driving and owning experiences have been good,
> although
> certainly not flawless. Here in Canada, VW are offering the 2007 City
> Golf
> for a very reasonable price. It's basically a 4-door A4 Golf, 2.0L
> engine,
> disk brakes on all 4 corners. With options like air conditioning and
> cruise
> control, it prices in around $20K CDN. Pretty good warranty. I like the
> hatchback versatility, and like I said, I have enjoyed driving my GTI.
>
> However, as many of you will know, VW are not necessarily leaders in
> reliability, at least according to the summaries in Consumer Reports and
> other sources. Toyotas seem to rank much better in the reliabilty area.
> (Yes, I know those are statistics, and it is possible to get a
> trouble-free
> VW or a lemon Toyota.) Looking at Toyota's lineup, the Matrix is the
> closest match to the City Golf, in terms of size and configuration. With
> similar options, the Matrix price is comparable, perhaps a bit higher.
> From
> doing some on-line comparisons, here are some pros that I've found for
> each:
>
> VW City Golf -
> ==========
> PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes;
> torque
> peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
> sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
>
>
> TOYOTA MATRIX
> ==============
> PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
> reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
>
> Opinions, please!
>
>
I am not that familiar with the current generation of VW's, but I recommend
that you drive the Matrix and Matrix-based Pontiac Vibe to see if you like
them because they probably have a different feel and handle differently from
the VW. I've seen very few posts about Matrix problems/issues in
alt.autos.toyota, if that an indication of their lack of problems.
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Ray O
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Since: Sep 04, 2006 Posts: 263
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:32 am
Post subject: Re: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: alt>autos>toyota (more info?)
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"WT" <waltert RemoveThis @mts.net> wrote in message
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>I have been driving a 1986 VW GTI for the past 10 years, and since she's
> starting to show her 20 years of age, I may soon be looking for a
> replacement. My VW driving and owning experiences have been good,
> although
> certainly not flawless. Here in Canada, VW are offering the 2007 City
> Golf
> for a very reasonable price. It's basically a 4-door A4 Golf, 2.0L
> engine,
> disk brakes on all 4 corners. With options like air conditioning and
> cruise
> control, it prices in around $20K CDN. Pretty good warranty. I like the
> hatchback versatility, and like I said, I have enjoyed driving my GTI.
>
> However, as many of you will know, VW are not necessarily leaders in
> reliability, at least according to the summaries in Consumer Reports and
> other sources. Toyotas seem to rank much better in the reliabilty area.
> (Yes, I know those are statistics, and it is possible to get a
> trouble-free
> VW or a lemon Toyota.) Looking at Toyota's lineup, the Matrix is the
> closest match to the City Golf, in terms of size and configuration. With
> similar options, the Matrix price is comparable, perhaps a bit higher.
> From
> doing some on-line comparisons, here are some pros that I've found for
> each:
>
> VW City Golf -
> ==========
> PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes;
> torque
> peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
> sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
>
>
> TOYOTA MATRIX
> ==============
> PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
> reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
>
> Opinions, please!
I can't speak for the Golf. But since a Matrix is basically a Corolla in
different clothing, & since I've had four Corollas since '84 - I can highly
recommend the Matrix. Very reliable. Lots of quality for decent price.
I drive a Matrix once - a couple of years ago - & the only thing that bugged
me was the silver circles design of the dash dials - drove my eyes a bit
nuts - I found those silver circles to be distracting. OTOH, a friend just
bought a Matrix & loves it - she's not mentioned the dash design. (Maybe
it's been redesigned?? Or maybe it was just me...)
Cathy >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:32 am
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"WT" <waltert.TakeThisOut@mts.net> wrote in message
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>I have been driving a 1986 VW GTI for the past 10 years, and since she's
> starting to show her 20 years of age, I may soon be looking for a
> replacement. My VW driving and owning experiences have been good,
> although
> certainly not flawless. Here in Canada, VW are offering the 2007 City
> Golf
> for a very reasonable price. It's basically a 4-door A4 Golf, 2.0L
> engine,
> disk brakes on all 4 corners. With options like air conditioning and
> cruise
> control, it prices in around $20K CDN. Pretty good warranty. I like the
> hatchback versatility, and like I said, I have enjoyed driving my GTI.
>
> However, as many of you will know, VW are not necessarily leaders in
> reliability, at least according to the summaries in Consumer Reports and
> other sources. Toyotas seem to rank much better in the reliabilty area.
> (Yes, I know those are statistics, and it is possible to get a
> trouble-free
> VW or a lemon Toyota.) Looking at Toyota's lineup, the Matrix is the
> closest match to the City Golf, in terms of size and configuration. With
> similar options, the Matrix price is comparable, perhaps a bit higher.
> From
> doing some on-line comparisons, here are some pros that I've found for
> each:
>
> VW City Golf -
> ==========
> PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes;
> torque
> peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
> sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
>
>
> TOYOTA MATRIX
> ==============
> PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
> reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
>
> Opinions, please!
I can't speak for the Golf. But since a Matrix is basically a Corolla in
different clothing, & since I've had four Corollas since '84 - I can highly
recommend the Matrix. Very reliable. Lots of quality for decent price.
I drive a Matrix once - a couple of years ago - & the only thing that bugged
me was the silver circles design of the dash dials - drove my eyes a bit
nuts - I found those silver circles to be distracting. OTOH, a friend just
bought a Matrix & loves it - she's not mentioned the dash design. (Maybe
it's been redesigned?? Or maybe it was just me...)
Cathy >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:00 am
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I faced a similar situation a year ago. I owned a 97 Golf that had
been somewhat reliable. When I started looking for a replacement, I
wanted another Golf. But too many reviews suggested it was anything but
reliable. After owning 3 VWs (and 5 German cars) I decided to pass and
look at the cars with the better reviews: Honda, Mazda and Toyota. I
bought a Corolla (even though it's not German.)
I know how you feel about the Golf. I was disappointed that the
quality of VWs had apparently suffered. But I've been very happy with
the Corolla and have some peace of mind knowing in all likelyhood it
will be a dependable car. >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:00 am
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I faced a similar situation a year ago. I owned a 97 Golf that had
been somewhat reliable. When I started looking for a replacement, I
wanted another Golf. But too many reviews suggested it was anything but
reliable. After owning 3 VWs (and 5 German cars) I decided to pass and
look at the cars with the better reviews: Honda, Mazda and Toyota. I
bought a Corolla (even though it's not German.)
I know how you feel about the Golf. I was disappointed that the
quality of VWs had apparently suffered. But I've been very happy with
the Corolla and have some peace of mind knowing in all likelyhood it
will be a dependable car. >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? |
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Since: Nov 01, 2006 Posts: 56
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:36 am
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WT wrote:
> VW City Golf -
> ==========
> PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes; torque
> peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
> sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
>
>
> TOYOTA MATRIX
> ==============
> PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
> reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
>
> Opinions, please!
buy whatcha like. personally, i think the toyota will be troublefree the
longest, but the golf might be more fun to drive. ive owned a
watercooled VW, and it was a fun lil car, but i doubt id ever get
another. its all honda and toyota from now on. >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:36 am
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WT wrote:
> VW City Golf -
> ==========
> PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes; torque
> peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
> sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
>
>
> TOYOTA MATRIX
> ==============
> PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
> reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
>
> Opinions, please!
buy whatcha like. personally, i think the toyota will be troublefree the
longest, but the golf might be more fun to drive. ive owned a
watercooled VW, and it was a fun lil car, but i doubt id ever get
another. its all honda and toyota from now on. >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:32 am
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How about safety? We have a 05 Passat and an 05 Lancer. I know, not the same
class of car, but that aside, the VW feels like a tank compared to the
Mitsu. Drive them both and see which you are more comfortable with.
BTW, who makes the Vibe/Matrix, Toyota or Pontiac?
Cecil
<joebob DeleteThis @fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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> I faced a similar situation a year ago. I owned a 97 Golf that had
> been somewhat reliable. When I started looking for a replacement, I
> wanted another Golf. But too many reviews suggested it was anything but
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:32 am
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How about safety? We have a 05 Passat and an 05 Lancer. I know, not the same
class of car, but that aside, the VW feels like a tank compared to the
Mitsu. Drive them both and see which you are more comfortable with.
BTW, who makes the Vibe/Matrix, Toyota or Pontiac?
Cecil
<joebob.TakeThisOut@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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> I faced a similar situation a year ago. I owned a 97 Golf that had
> been somewhat reliable. When I started looking for a replacement, I
> wanted another Golf. But too many reviews suggested it was anything but
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:14 am
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"Detailing Dude" <cecil RemoveThis @pdisteel.biz> wrote in message
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> How about safety? We have a 05 Passat and an 05 Lancer. I know, not the
> same
> class of car, but that aside, the VW feels like a tank compared to the
> Mitsu. Drive them both and see which you are more comfortable with.
> BTW, who makes the Vibe/Matrix, Toyota or Pontiac?
>
> Cecil
Toyota and NUMMI make the Matrix/Vibe.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:14 am
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"Detailing Dude" <cecil RemoveThis @pdisteel.biz> wrote in message
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> How about safety? We have a 05 Passat and an 05 Lancer. I know, not the
> same
> class of car, but that aside, the VW feels like a tank compared to the
> Mitsu. Drive them both and see which you are more comfortable with.
> BTW, who makes the Vibe/Matrix, Toyota or Pontiac?
>
> Cecil
Toyota and NUMMI make the Matrix/Vibe.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:21 am
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Naturally in any NG for a particular brand you will get opinion that favor
that brand. The fact is All manufactures are building good dependable
vehicles today. I would suggest one drive all those vehicles that suit
their needs then get a 'total drive home price,' not merely a selling price,
to determine which best suits your budget. After you get a total drive home
price you can determine if you believe any perceived differences between
vehicles are worth the cost
mike hunt
"WT" <waltert.DeleteThis@mts.net> wrote in message
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>I have been driving a 1986 VW GTI for the past 10 years, and since she's
> starting to show her 20 years of age, I may soon be looking for a
> replacement. My VW driving and owning experiences have been good,
> although
> certainly not flawless.
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> VW City Golf -
> ==========
> PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes;
> torque
> peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
> sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
>
>
> TOYOTA MATRIX
> ==============
> PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
> reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
>
> Opinions, please!
>
>
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:21 am
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Naturally in any NG for a particular brand you will get opinion that favor
that brand. The fact is All manufactures are building good dependable
vehicles today. I would suggest one drive all those vehicles that suit
their needs then get a 'total drive home price,' not merely a selling price,
to determine which best suits your budget. After you get a total drive home
price you can determine if you believe any perceived differences between
vehicles are worth the cost
mike hunt
"WT" <waltert.DeleteThis@mts.net> wrote in message
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>I have been driving a 1986 VW GTI for the past 10 years, and since she's
> starting to show her 20 years of age, I may soon be looking for a
> replacement. My VW driving and owning experiences have been good,
> although
> certainly not flawless.
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> VW City Golf -
> ==========
> PROS: better warranty; disk brakes front and rear; anti-lock brakes;
> torque
> peak at low rpm; telescopic steering wheel; wipers are variable and speed
> sensitive; nicer styling (personal opinion);
>
>
> TOYOTA MATRIX
> ==============
> PROS: better fuel economy; higher HP; cargo area has flat floor; better
> reliability history; 16V engine; more usable cargo space;
>
> Opinions, please!
>
>
> >> Stay informed about: VW City Golf or Toyota Matrix? |
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