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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:11 am
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Considerations.... the low side hose will rarely (if ever) see more than 100
PSI - The hottest it gets where I live is about 85ish F... I have no idea of
what static pressures can hit in warmer climes.... With the AC operating,
low side pressure will be more like 20 - 30 PSI

Conversely, high side pressures can reach as high as 400ish PSI depending on
temperature and humidity.... (250 to 300 is the norm for a hot day for me).
This is where home grown repairs will meet their match.... Trying to go too
cheap on the repair might have you wasting the price difference on a self
created hobby...


"Mighty" wrote in message

> couldn't find a Usenet group about auto AC.
> It's an Aerostar so I'll ask here.
> The lines are rusted through. No one has replacement that I can find.
> Having some custom made is ridiculously expensive.
> Can anyone explain to me why I could not fix this with hose barbs and
> clamps instead of crimps and those damned springlock connectors?
>
> I could just buy tubing at home depot , clamp some barrier hose on and
> be good wouldn't one think?
>
>
> --
> Mighty

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:57 pm
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:27 pm
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"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message > I added rear air to a
Blazer years ago. Just bought some rubber AC
> hose of the appropriate size and ran it from the engine compartment to
> the rear evaporator and connected it with barbed fittings and clamps.


I tried to tell these clowns you could use rubber or PVC and they said it
would explode from the pressure. The drugs they're taking must be causing a
lot of water on the brain.
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Bruce L. Bergman

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:04 am
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On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 17:27:11 -0700, "Rick Cooper"
wrote:
>"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message

>> I added rear air to a Blazer years ago. Just bought some rubber AC
>> hose of the appropriate size and ran it from the engine compartment to
>> the rear evaporator and connected it with barbed fittings and clamps.
>
>I tried to tell these clowns you could use rubber or PVC and they said it
>would explode from the pressure. The drugs they're taking must be causing a
>lot of water on the brain.

Excuse me, but you are wrong. Rubber High-Pressure Refrigerant Hose
is not just "rubber or PVC hose" - it is specially made to handle the
product at the normal operating pressures of 500 PSI. And the stuff
is not cheap, even in bulk.

Gates Polar-Seal Hose - Comes in ID's of 5/16", 13/32", 1/2", 5/8".
http://www.gates.com/brochure.cfm?brochure=1536&location_id=6197
You have to register to bring up the Hydraulic Hose PDF catalogs.
They have the fittings and O-Rings for the Ford Spring-Lock
connectors, and connectors with service ports built in.

You could use standard steel or aluminum tube for the replacement
lines, and the "flareless" hose fittings (Looks like "Swagelok" ring
style) and a short chunk of Polar-Seal hose to transition at each end
- but that's making more places to leak.

You could build a specialty business selling conversion fittings so
people could use standard steel brake tubing to make replacement rear
air refrigerant lines, but there isn't that much volume of sales. If
the solution costs too much they'll just clamp off the lines to the
rear air and convert to front only.

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:49 am
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"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message >
Excuse me, but you are wrong. Rubber High-Pressure Refrigerant Hose
> is not just "rubber or PVC hose" - it is specially made to handle the
> product at the normal operating pressures of 500 PSI. And the stuff
> is not cheap, even in bulk.

It's cheap if you work somewhere that stocks it. Just walk out the door
with it. Or if you know somebody that works at a place that stocks it, just
have them swipe it for free.
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:16 pm
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Rick Cooper wrote:
> "Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message >
> Excuse me, but you are wrong. Rubber High-Pressure Refrigerant Hose
>> is not just "rubber or PVC hose" - it is specially made to handle the
>> product at the normal operating pressures of 500 PSI. And the stuff
>> is not cheap, even in bulk.
>
> It's cheap if you work somewhere that stocks it. Just walk out the door
> with it. Or if you know somebody that works at a place that stocks it, just
> have them swipe it for free.
>
>
gotta love Mr. Cooper's ethics.
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nonelson

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(Msg. 22) Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:59 pm
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In article ,
"Rick Cooper" wrote:

> "Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message >
> Excuse me, but you are wrong. Rubber High-Pressure Refrigerant Hose
> > is not just "rubber or PVC hose" - it is specially made to handle the
> > product at the normal operating pressures of 500 PSI. And the stuff
> > is not cheap, even in bulk.
>
> It's cheap if you work somewhere that stocks it. Just walk out the door
> with it. Or if you know somebody that works at a place that stocks it, just
> have them swipe it for free.

I've been trying to determine if you are a troll or a moron.

This pretty much cinches it.
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Bruce L. Bergman

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(Msg. 23) Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:59 pm
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:59:43 -0500, aarcuda69062
wrote:

>In article ,
> "Rick Cooper" wrote:
>
>> "Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message >
>> Excuse me, but you are wrong. Rubber High-Pressure Refrigerant Hose
>> > is not just "rubber or PVC hose" - it is specially made to handle the
>> > product at the normal operating pressures of 500 PSI. And the stuff
>> > is not cheap, even in bulk.
>>
>> It's cheap if you work somewhere that stocks it. Just walk out the door
>> with it. Or if you know somebody that works at a place that stocks it, just
>> have them swipe it for free.

Gee, does your boss know this is your attitude?

>I've been trying to determine if you are a troll or a moron.
>
>This pretty much cinches it.

Yeah - Both. They have a room reserved for people who think like
Rick down at the Graybar Hotel. Courtesy of the government.

"Three hots and a cot" - unless you live in Maricopa County AZ where
you are lucky to get one hot, and as cheap as possible (baloney
sandwiches) so Sheriff Joe can meet his budget without any early
releases. And the accommodations are a bit more spartan, like a tent
in 130-degree weather, where it gets down to a balmy 95-degrees at
night...

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(Msg. 24) Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:57 pm
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On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:49:17 -0700, "Rick Cooper"
wrote:

>"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message >
>Excuse me, but you are wrong. Rubber High-Pressure Refrigerant Hose
>> is not just "rubber or PVC hose" - it is specially made to handle the
>> product at the normal operating pressures of 500 PSI. And the stuff
>> is not cheap, even in bulk.
>
>It's cheap if you work somewhere that stocks it. Just walk out the door
>with it. Or if you know somebody that works at a place that stocks it, just
>have them swipe it for free.
>

Rick,

Is there some reason why thrice (so far) in this thread you have
advocated theft as a legitimate way of obtaining materials for this
project?
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:20 am
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:12 pm
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"Tim J." wrote in message

Is there some reason why thrice (so far) in this thread you have
> advocated theft as a legitimate way of obtaining materials for this
> project?

Only because many can't afford even the cheapest of auto parts and anyone
having such items in stock can write it off on their taxes, and are probably
wealthy. Look at it as a donation to the poor and needy and it might make
you feel a little more warm and fuzzy about it.
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