Chrysler in the UK

Montag, 19. Juni 2006 15:05 (US Central Time)
mudpucket wrote in rec.autos.makers.chrysler:

> I think, as American cars go, Chrysler is the most original.
>
> Chevy is just a rebranded Daewoo car. Daewoo cars are just bad Asian

Besides being bad asian cars ... Daewoo is only Chevy, because some jerks at
GM headquarters thought it would be a good idea to promote Chevrolet in
Europe.
That stupid idea will (or already has) backfire(d). A similar stupid idea
would be ... DaimlerChrysler wants to promote the Smart in the US and puts
the label "Dodge" on it. Nobody would see how one would grab life by the
horns when driving a Smart ...

Talk to you later ... Hans from Germany (75 to go)
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Montag, 19. Juni 2006 16:08 (US Central Time)
mudpucket wrote in rec.autos.makers.chrysler:

> is that what there doing? That not very..smart..

As far as I know ... DC is thinking of bringing the Smart to the US, but
under its own name.

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In article <1150747527.971819.36590 DeleteThis @p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
"mudpucket" <mudpucket DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

> I think, as American cars go, Chrysler is the most original.
I agree and GM is the least.
>
> Chevy is just a rebranded Daewoo car. Daewoo cars are just bad Asian
> cars. Checy thinks that by buying out the company and adding the ole
> bowtie emblem will make ppl buy them. Nope, it just aint happening.
I had a look at a few of those bottom end Chevs, very outdated under the
hood.
>
> Ford..is dull ole Ford. Theyre everywhere. Focuses are just so plain.
Yes the Focus is outdated, both the body and mechanicals.
However Ford is doing very well technically in their recent NA cars such
as the Fusion, but they are covering their nice mechanicals in dull
boxes.
Ford seems a bit confused, They replaced the Taurus with the Fusion,
after the boxy heavy 500 wasn't accepted as it's replacement, but they
still sell the base Taurus sedan. Unfortunately they don't have a
replacement for the unique Taurus station wagon, the only NA mid sized
SW. So customers will have to go to Mazda for a Fusion (Mazda 6) SW.
>
> But i have seen a 300c, and, cripes, what a car! And seeing a Ram
> ploughing its way down a small country road being cautiously followed
> by a tiny little Peugeot is just too funny. They Brits arent used to
> such an imposing vehicle, other than a bus or a transport truck. So, i
> could only imagine the poor ole person looking up at the Ram in front
> of him.
> Im an ex-Canadian ..and umm...dont ask what i drive. But im used to
> seeing a Ram around.
I was just in the UK and my UK friends weren't very impressed with a
300C I identified in a south UK beach area. Black didn't help it as far
as they were concerned. My UK friends aren't into monster cars, except
one who has a Range Rover for he and his wife. The RR allows him to see
over the hedges in the country area where he lives.
>
> Of course, the Voyagers are a dime a dozen, and the odd Neon shows up
> and the PT Cruiser is plentiful.
Plus the Jeep Cherokee and Liberty.

Chrysler may have done with the Neon and the PT Cruiser as they did with
the 300; come out with a completely different body functionally which
will get new buyers, but may piss off the existing customers for that
Chrysler line.
-the RWD 300 definitely wasn't a replacement for the FWD LH and 300M
lines it replaced.
-the Caliber may not be a replacement for the Neon and PT Cruiser.
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:57:41 GMT, Some O <SO.DeleteThis@nospam.net> wrote:

>In article <1150747527.971819.36590.DeleteThis@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
> "mudpucket" <mudpucket.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think, as American cars go, Chrysler is the most original.
>I agree and GM is the least.
>>
>> Chevy is just a rebranded Daewoo car. Daewoo cars are just bad Asian
>> cars. Checy thinks that by buying out the company and adding the ole
>> bowtie emblem will make ppl buy them. Nope, it just aint happening.
>I had a look at a few of those bottom end Chevs, very outdated under the
>hood.
>>
>> Ford..is dull ole Ford. Theyre everywhere. Focuses are just so plain.
>Yes the Focus is outdated, both the body and mechanicals.
>However Ford is doing very well technically in their recent NA cars such
>as the Fusion, but they are covering their nice mechanicals in dull
>boxes.
>Ford seems a bit confused, They replaced the Taurus with the Fusion,
>after the boxy heavy 500 wasn't accepted as it's replacement, but they
>still sell the base Taurus sedan. Unfortunately they don't have a
>replacement for the unique Taurus station wagon, the only NA mid sized
>SW. So customers will have to go to Mazda for a Fusion (Mazda 6) SW.
>>
and not something like the Volvo V70? or wold you classify that as a
large car?
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I'd love to know what a "south UK beach area" is. Somewhere in the
Caroilinas or Florida?

In Britain we have had the Jeep and Voyager for years, PT Cruiser for a
while. The others have started arriving, in particular the 300C.

The full Chrysler range has been available for a bit longer in Germany.

Two observations:-

1) I think Chrysler is relatively big in Europe cf GM & Ford USA because
they don't have manufacturing plants here. GM & Ford are very strong with
the European/international offerings.

2) 'Mainstream' Chryslers are being brought in for political reasons,
especially as D-B (Daimler-Benz) had 'merged' with Chrysler.

I would be really surprised if 300Cs and Sebrings ever grow beyond the
specialist I-want-to-be-different niche, especially as the prices here are
so much higher than in the US.

I spoke to a Sebring Cab(riolet) owner in Germany the other day. I had seen
the car for over a year near where I frequently stay and finally saw the
driver park. He certainly likes it and is a bit cheaper than its obvious
rival, the Merc CLK Cab. I hired one in the US some years ago and quite
enjoyed it, too, and I would not mind having one at US prices. That would
compensate for it not being quite up to the standard of the CLK (previous
model W208), eg, the roof mechanism. Otherwise space and comfort were
pretty good.

DAS

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> I was just in the UK and my UK friends weren't very impressed with a
> 300C I identified in a south UK beach area. Black didn't help it as far
> as they were concerned. My UK friends aren't into monster cars, except
> one who has a Range Rover for he and his wife. The RR allows him to see
> over the hedges in the country area where he lives.
>>
>> Of course, the Voyagers are a dime a dozen, and the odd Neon shows up
>> and the PT Cruiser is plentiful.
> Plus the Jeep Cherokee and Liberty.
>
[...]
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:53:07 +0100, Dori A Schmetterling wrote:

> I'd love to know what a "south UK beach area" is. Somewhere in the
> Caroilinas or Florida?
>
> In Britain we have had the Jeep and Voyager for years, PT Cruiser for a
> while. The others have started arriving, in particular the 300C.
>
> The full Chrysler range has been available for a bit longer in Germany.
>
> Two observations:-
>
> 1) I think Chrysler is relatively big in Europe cf GM & Ford USA because
> they don't have manufacturing plants here. GM & Ford are very strong with
> the European/international offerings.
>
> 2) 'Mainstream' Chryslers are being brought in for political reasons,
> especially as D-B (Daimler-Benz) had 'merged' with Chrysler.
>
> I would be really surprised if 300Cs and Sebrings ever grow beyond the
> specialist I-want-to-be-different niche, especially as the prices here are
> so much higher than in the US.
>
> I spoke to a Sebring Cab(riolet) owner in Germany the other day. I had seen
> the car for over a year near where I frequently stay and finally saw the
> driver park. He certainly likes it and is a bit cheaper than its obvious
> rival, the Merc CLK Cab. I hired one in the US some years ago and quite
> enjoyed it, too, and I would not mind having one at US prices. That would
> compensate for it not being quite up to the standard of the CLK (previous
> model W208), eg, the roof mechanism. Otherwise space and comfort were
> pretty good.
>
> DAS
>
> For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
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> "Some O" <SO.RemoveThis@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:SO-CB4385.20574120062006@news.telus.net...
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>> I was just in the UK and my UK friends weren't very impressed with a
>> 300C I identified in a south UK beach area. Black didn't help it as far
>> as they were concerned. My UK friends aren't into monster cars, except
>> one who has a Range Rover for he and his wife. The RR allows him to see
>> over the hedges in the country area where he lives.
>>>
>>> Of course, the Voyagers are a dime a dozen, and the odd Neon shows up
>>> and the PT Cruiser is plentiful.
>> Plus the Jeep Cherokee and Liberty.
>>
> [...]

What are they charging for a 300C in Europe? And what does an E Class
Mercedes go for? I was in Amsterdam last year and all of the taxis were E
class Mercedes. In the US it would be inconceivable for a car as expensive
as a Mercedes to be used as a cab, most US taxis are mid priced cars or
small minivans which cost 1/3rd as much as an E class Mercedes.
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In the US it would be inconceivable for a car as expensive
as a Mercedes to be used as a cab, most US taxis are mid priced cars or
small minivans which cost 1/3rd as much as an E class Mercedes.

A marketing decision was made by Mercedes and BMW to target the high end
market in North America, thus their products are loaded with options sold
here that sometimes are not even offered in Europe or Asia or Africa.

For example you can purchase a Mercedes or BMW in Europe with steel wheels,
no radio, no air-conditioning, a small motor and a manual transmission, low
end interior, small tires and manual windows.

In North America you get a larger motor, larger wheels made of an alloy with
so called performance tires, anti-lock brakes and stability control, leather
interior, power everything, a high powered radio and CD player. This is not
apples to apples but different products for different markets.

Heck, I remember my 1956 190SL Mercedes, a beautiful two seater sports car
with a 4 speed manual transmission, basic 4 cylinder motor, leather seats,
power drum brakes, a nice Becker radio, manual windows, manual steering, and
not even a fan for the heater. Those were the days.

Richard.
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In article <baji921kndaigbokpcjaq1kj65prdjlt69 DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
flobert <nomail DeleteThis @here.NOT> wrote:
> and not something like the Volvo V70? or wold you classify that as a
> large car?
Yes IMO the V70 is large, as is the Ford 500 which I understand is on
the same platform.
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mudpucket wrote:

> is that what there doing? That not very..smart..
>


No one has ever really accused GM of being "smart." Or of making great
products :-/

IMO, the whole entire bias against American cars is because people think
"GM" when they think "American car." I've always thought "Chrysler"
first and "Ford" second when I think "American Car," and therefore
Japanese cars have always seemed like inferior junk to me.
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:38:58 -0500, Steve <no.DeleteThis@spam.thanks> wrote:

>mudpucket wrote:
>
>> is that what there doing? That not very..smart..
>>
>
>
>No one has ever really accused GM of being "smart." Or of making great
>products :-/
>
>IMO, the whole entire bias against American cars is because people think
>"GM" when they think "American car." I've always thought "Chrysler"
>first and "Ford" second when I think "American Car," and therefore
>Japanese cars have always seemed like inferior junk to me.

Hardly. You ask a brit, or a frog what he thinks of 'GM' and he'll go
"who?" you'd have to say "vauxhall/opel, saab" etc. ford they know
about, but they mostly have their own fords (like the focus, etc)
chrysler is the ones sold as american cars.

What euros think of when they think of american cars is large floart
riding cars, with huge engines and low power outputs, and piss-poor
handling. As a brit living in the Us, and having driven many american
cars, its pretty much spot on.
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In article <Y8GdnSiUUstOFjjZnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d DeleteThis @texas.net>,
Steve <no DeleteThis @spam.thanks> wrote:

> IMO, the whole entire bias against American cars is because people think
> "GM" when they think "American car.
Nope, but an idea.

>" I've always thought "Chrysler" first
Very good.

>and "Ford" second when I think "American Car,"
I'd put Ford third.

> and therefore
> Japanese cars have always seemed like inferior junk to me.
Not true today, but was true for all but Toyota back in the 60s.
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In article <1r4ba2d1qu68hnain9pfm0245vnvt9m0s5 DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
flobert <nomail DeleteThis @here.NOT> wrote:

> What euros think of when they think of american cars is large floart
> riding cars, with huge engines and low power outputs, and piss-poor
> handling. As a brit living in the Us, and having driven many american
> cars, its pretty much spot on.
You drove the wrong American cars, likely GM or Ford.
I've had Chryslers since they went FWD and their FWD cars handle just
as well as the UK rental cars I drive every few years when I'm in the
UK.
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> What euros think of when they think of american cars is large floart
> riding cars, with huge engines and low power outputs, and piss-poor
> handling. As a brit living in the Us, and having driven many american
> cars, its pretty much spot on.

Pretty much spot-on BULLSHIT.
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