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Ted

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:15 pm
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I have been looking at some mid to late 80's F150's and F250's. The ones
that had manual transmissions were all 4 speeds where first gear is a
"granny gear". Is this normal? I would think that most of the transmission
would be geared more like a car and not have the granny gear.

Thanks
Ted

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:15 pm
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:15:36 -0500, "Ted"
wrote:

>I have been looking at some mid to late 80's F150's and F250's. The ones
>that had manual transmissions were all 4 speeds where first gear is a
>"granny gear". Is this normal? I would think that most of the transmission
>would be geared more like a car and not have the granny gear. <snip>

You must have lived in a cave for 30 years.

4 speed compound low transmission have been standard on all above ½
ton models since at least WW II.

Don't get out much?

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:51 pm
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:51:50 -0500, "Ted" wrote:

>All of the trucks that I have had came with automatic transmissions. <snip>

Well...not everyone is mechanically inclined...nor able to figure out
a sliding gear transmission.

>>
>> Don't get out much?
>
>As a matter of fact I do. Plenty of friends and things to do other than sit in a cave. I guess that you are jealous of the rest of us. <snip>

Hardly. You just made yourself look like a 'tard on Usenet, that's
all. Welcome to the club.

The compound low in light trucks is a very useful thing to have, IF
you use the truck for what it was principally designed for...work. If
you use it as a car, or as a big hatchback, that's just plain
silliness in this day and age. If you use it as you stated, a
half-tonner with a 3-on-the-tree will suffice nicely, although they're
hard to find nowadays. Get a 6 while you're at it...you won't need
any more. Getting a half ton with a 3 speed (if you can find one)
will be cheaper by hundreds at least, and will haul big box stuff home
just fine, as well as bales of steer manure. Just don't expect it to
haul anything really big, nor expect it to tow much. If you're going
in that direction, you might also consider a "midsize" Dakota from
Chrysler with the "3/4 of a 318" V6. I cannot in good conscience
recommend either the S-10/15 twins from GM, or the Ford Ranger. Both
are turds, for various reasons.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:59 pm
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This is normal for that generation... NP435s and BW (IIRC) T18s were the
norm for Fords... The very low ratio for first gear gave great lifting power
when heavily loaded... It was common for owners to severely overload their
trucks.... 4th was always "direct" (one to one ratio).

Just curious... is there some particular reason you feel you need old
technology as a stone around your neck? No matter how well kept, I can't see
using one of these as a truck I would need to depend on simply from an age
standpoint...


"Ted" wrote in message

>I have been looking at some mid to late 80's F150's and F250's. The ones
>that had manual transmissions were all 4 speeds where first gear is a
>"granny gear". Is this normal? I would think that most of the transmission
>would be geared more like a car and not have the granny gear.
>
> Thanks
> Ted
>
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:38 am
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DeserTBoB wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:15:36 -0500, "Ted"
> wrote:
>
>> I have been looking at some mid to late 80's F150's and F250's. The ones
>> that had manual transmissions were all 4 speeds where first gear is a
>> "granny gear". Is this normal? I would think that most of the transmission
>> would be geared more like a car and not have the granny gear. <snip>
>
> You must have lived in a cave for 30 years.
>
> 4 speed compound low transmission have been standard on all above ½
> ton models since at least WW II.
>
> Don't get out much?


Your insults are not needed or welcome here.

The OP was juts asking a good question.

Jeff
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:46:04 GMT, Jeff
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>Sorry, sir, but there is no excuse for rudeness, usenet or not.
>
>And, for your information, I have been using usenet for over a decade. <snip>

Goodie for you. Did I see you on ARPINET, too? Or FidoNet?
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Impressive... so have I...

And this means what in the grand scheme of things?
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Yep.... I had an 85 F150 4X4 with the New Process 435 many years ago....
Purchased used in 87, I finally parted company with the old girl about 7
years ago. Damned good truck, she was...
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:25 am
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Ted wrote:
> So basically, unless the truck is heavily loaded, just start in second gear and drive as if it was a three speed.?
>
> Ted

Exactly.

Around 1980, I remember riding in a pickup truck with my dad. The pickup
had a three speed with the shifter on the steering wheel. IIRC, first
gear was real low, and only second and third where used in normal operation.

When I rode the cheese buses to school, the bus had five gears, I think.
The bus driver never used first. I guess it was for *really* steep
hills. Most of the buses in our district were built on IH chases with IH
engines.

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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:25:28 GMT, Jeff
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>When I rode the cheese buses to school, the bus had five gears <snip>

That was a medium-duty truck chassis in its "conventional bus"
optioning, sold by the thousands for years by White, IH, Ford and GMC.
Chevrolet Division was never a big player in that market, but GMC was
huge, especially in the V6 era.

5 speeds were standard in those lines from the '50s onward, usually a
Fuller or sometimes a Spicer. Another popular option back then was an
Eaton 2 speed real axle, but usually they'd come with a 4 speed,
giving 8 forward speeds...and two reverse!

In California, most well-off school districts wouldn't be caught dead
with "conventional" buses, and opted for transit style coached built
in Los Angeles by Crown Coach, or up north in Hayward by Gillig
Brothers. Gillig is still building them, as well as transit buses.
Crown was gobbled up by Blue Turd, which operates now out of the old
Fruehauf trailer factory near Ontario, CA. Most Crowns starting in
the '60s had either Detroit or Cummins diesels mounted pancake-style
amidships.

Crowns were THE best school bus ever built. They built a pretty good
highway coach, as well, but they were only found on small charter
lines. Crown Coach was one of the first bus builders in the United
States, and, for awhile, built cars, as well, in the '20s.
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DeserTBoB wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:25:28 GMT, Jeff
> wrote:
>
>> When I rode the cheese buses to school, the bus had five gears <snip>
>
> That was a medium-duty truck chassis in its "conventional bus"
> optioning, sold by the thousands for years by White, IH, Ford and GMC.
> Chevrolet Division was never a big player in that market, but GMC was
> huge, especially in the V6 era.
>
> 5 speeds were standard in those lines from the '50s onward, usually a
> Fuller or sometimes a Spicer. Another popular option back then was an
> Eaton 2 speed real axle, but usually they'd come with a 4 speed,
> giving 8 forward speeds...and two reverse!
>
> In California, most well-off school districts wouldn't be caught dead
> with "conventional" buses, and opted for transit style coached built
> in Los Angeles by Crown Coach, or up north in Hayward by Gillig
> Brothers. Gillig is still building them, as well as transit buses.
> Crown was gobbled up by Blue Turd,

Actually, it is Blue Bird.

> which operates now out of the old
> Fruehauf trailer factory near Ontario, CA. Most Crowns starting in
> the '60s had either Detroit or Cummins diesels mounted pancake-style
> amidships.
>
> Crowns were THE best school bus ever built. They built a pretty good
> highway coach, as well, but they were only found on small charter
> lines. Crown Coach was one of the first bus builders in the United
> States, and, for awhile, built cars, as well, in the '20s.

They also built fire trucks, like the original Engine 51 of Emergency!
and this tanker: http://www.crownisking.org/cutularetender.html.
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>They also built fire trucks, like the original Engine 51 of Emergency!
>and this tanker: http://www.crownisking.org/cutularetender.html. <snip>

Crown's Fire Coach was one of its biggest profit makers, and, being a
hometown product, was always ordered by LACityFD and LACoFD without
outside bidding for decades. The same went for LA Unified School
District and many other surrounding districts for the school buses.
The reason was clear...a conventional had a life span of about ten
years, give or take. A Crown would easily last and be economically
feasible for 30 or more. Many Crowns built in the '70s are still on
the road today, schlepping school kids to and from school. However,
Crown's 1948-design all aluminum body didn't fare well in any place
other than the West...corrosion was its big enemy if road salts were
used, like with any other vehicle. Since use of road salt has been
banned in California from the earliest days, Crowns found their homes
usually out here, as did the products of "friendly competitor," Gillig
Brothers of Hayward.

Why did Crown and Gillig go for all-aluminum bodies in the post war
era, following the lead of Yellow Coach (later GMC Truck and Coach) in
'41? Easy...surplus aircraft after WW II made aluminum dirt cheap in
comparison to sheet steel, then in short supply and subject to the
whims and greed of US Steel and Bethlehem (read up on Harry S Truman's
presidency for more on that) and lightened body weight enough to
provide a 35 or 40' transit-style chassis with a full length steel
frame and acceptable overall weight. GM later went to monocoque,
frameless design for their highway coaches, a revolutionary concept at
the time.

Blue Bird bought Crown and immediately cheapened the design,
"updating" its looks, but getting rid of a lot that made the Crown so
durable. They also stopped all Fire Coach production. Sad to see
another hometown industry go away, but, like Thomas Wolfe wrote, "You
can't go home again."

Crown Coach was the last user of Hall-Scott gasoline engines, another
old-time native California industry, for vehicular use in the US. The
Hall-Scott Model 440 and 925 "pancake" 6s were a throwback from the
1920s when Crown started building "conventional" buses, and were none
too efficient, although before the diesels took over, they had a long
and impressive service life...as well as an insatiable appetite for
gasoline. Hall-Scott pioneered the commercial use of the
hemispherical combustion chamber, contrary to popular belief that this
was a Chrysler innovation. In Crowns, the Hall-Scotts were replaced
by mostly Cummins 220 and 262 diesels by the end of the '50s,
although LA City FD kept ordering Hall-Scotts in their Fire Coaches
all the way though the '60s until Hall-Scott engine production ceased.

I remember the old Crown Coach factory on the east end of Downtown LA
in Boyle Heights, and remember visiting, watching all those School
Coaches and Fire Coaches being assembled by hand in the old brick
building's shop floor. That's back when the US was still an
industrial power, and people actually built things for a living. No
more, as we slide into "second world" status, victims of corporate
greed and globalization.
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