Traction control Permanently on?

BMW newbie wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Quick question....I have a 2001 330i and when i turn the traction
> control off, it doesn't seem to make a difference. If I take off
> around a corner I cannot break the tires free and get the back end to
> kick out.

That would be because all BMWs inherently understeer. You need to be
tremendously 'hamfisted' to break the rear of a 330i loose.

> Can my tires be THAT good...i doubt it,

Yes, they can be. Either that or you don't really know what you're
doing.

> Is there a way to check to see if it's working or not?

I'm pretty sure that if it's not working, the diagnostic system will
light up your dashboard like a Christmas tree ...
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; drove that)
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If it was not working, you would get a warning light for sure.
It does not shut off completely by hitting the DSC button by the way... you
need to hold it for about 10 seconds to fully disengage it (google that for
the details - I could be off a bit - I got that from e46fanatics.com)
BUT, why do you want it off?
Do you want to lose control?
Are you a pro driver that knows better than the car?
I doubt it, the dsc is very fast and smart to react in emergency situations
that you as a driver could not react fast enough to avoid a crash.
I tested it in the snow, I wanted to lose it but was unable to, I saw
quickly that it was so advanced, even a semi pro driver could benefit in bad
conditions.

In dry, your car won't break loose anyways, not enough power unless you dump
the clutch at redline, and even then you HAVE A CDV in the clutch line that
limits what you can do with the revs.

Remove the cdv and you may find the feeling you are looking for, not
burnouts, but full clutch feel and control.
Just remember - the one time it is off, you may need to avoid n emergency
stop, swerve, crash... and you won't be able to, then you will regret it.

If you race the car on a track, you want it off, but other than that, ON.
If you want to spin tires, buy a mustang!
"BMW newbie" wrote in message

> Hello all,
>
> Quick question....I have a 2001 330i and when i turn the traction
> control off, it doesn't seem to make a difference. If I take off
> around a corner I cannot break the tires free and get the back end to
> kick out. Can my tires be THAT good...i doubt it, but hopefully
> someone can help. Is there a way to check to see if it's working or
> not?
>
> Thanks
> Steve - NY
>
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Steve,

Try a vicious start in first gear, preferably in the wet - you should get
wheelspin without traction control.

Laurie.


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"SharkmanBMW!" wrote
> and even then you HAVE A CDV in the clutch line that limits what you can
> do with the revs.
>
> Remove the cdv and you may find the feeling you are looking for, not
> burnouts, but full clutch feel and control.

On the subject of CDV, I've found opinions (not mine), stating that it was
put in there by BMW for people who don't know how to properly drive a
stickshift, i.e. they lack the finesse needed to smoothly operate the
clutch. For others that do know how, CDV is mostly a neusance, takes away
from driving pleasure, and sometimes misbehaves causing unwanted surges or
whatnot. What's your opinion on the subject?

I testdrove a 330ci once, and it felt nice and smooth, although it was a
rather quick drive. No idea if it still had its CDV or it was removed.

Thanks,
Pete
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:49:17 -0400, "SharkmanBMW!" wrote:

>BUT, why do you want it off?
>Do you want to lose control?
>Are you a pro driver that knows better than the car?

See previous threads. For one, if you're stuck in snow, you need to turn it off
to be able to rock the car back and forth to get unstuck.

>If you race the car on a track, you want it off, but other than that, ON.
>If you want to spin tires, buy a mustang!

Why not simply try answering people's questions, instead of being so judgmental?

-- Larry
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The CDV is very annoying, your summary is accurate though.

For those who cannot shift, it does help not to stall, or have very jerky
shifts.
But for those who can shift well, it inhibits your ability to get it smooth
every time.

Any spirited driving is squashed by the CDV.

I have had a 325, 535 and both were a joy to shift, now my 330 is as well,
berfore the removal, it felt like there was something second guessing my
left foot!
I highly suggest you all remove them, unless you are abusive on the drive
train - you will have only positive results.


"Pete" wrote in message

>
> "SharkmanBMW!" wrote
>> and even then you HAVE A CDV in the clutch line that limits what you can
>> do with the revs.
>>
>> Remove the cdv and you may find the feeling you are looking for, not
>> burnouts, but full clutch feel and control.
>
> On the subject of CDV, I've found opinions (not mine), stating that it was
> put in there by BMW for people who don't know how to properly drive a
> stickshift, i.e. they lack the finesse needed to smoothly operate the
> clutch. For others that do know how, CDV is mostly a neusance, takes away
> from driving pleasure, and sometimes misbehaves causing unwanted surges or
> whatnot. What's your opinion on the subject?
>
> I testdrove a 330ci once, and it felt nice and smooth, although it was a
> rather quick drive. No idea if it still had its CDV or it was removed.
>
> Thanks,
> Pete
>
>
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"pltrgyst" wrote in message

> On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:49:17 -0400, "SharkmanBMW!"
> wrote:
>
>>BUT, why do you want it off?
>>Do you want to lose control?
>>Are you a pro driver that knows better than the car?
>
> See previous threads. For one, if you're stuck in snow, you need to turn
> it off
> to be able to rock the car back and forth to get unstuck.

He was talking about drifting corners, not getting out of snow!!
There is very little reason to be doing that on the streets where I may be
walking, thanks.
>
>>If you race the car on a track, you want it off, but other than that, ON.
>>If you want to spin tires, buy a mustang!
>
> Why not simply try answering people's questions, instead of being so
> judgmental?
>
> -- Larry
>
this is the 3rd post in 24 hours about people wanting to turn off the DSC
and spin wheels.... I happen to be a victim of a very neglectful driver that
almost killed me a few years ago, I am still in rehab because of it...
People who want to be reckless on the road need some proper training and a
safe place to do it so they don't endanger you, me or our friends.

Besides... Just because he turns off the dsc button, the car still has it
running untill you hold the button long enough to shut down the system
completely... BMW did not want people shutting it off and killing
themselves, so they made it harder than the press of a button.

He also only has power to one rear wheel, you have an "open-diff" , you
won't be able to do a proper burnout.
If you had an LSD, then you could easily slide the car all over! Aftermarket
LSD are available for the e46 for about $3000
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Pete wrote:

> "SharkmanBMW!" wrote
>
>>and even then you HAVE A CDV in the clutch line that limits what you can
>>do with the revs.
>>
>>Remove the cdv and you may find the feeling you are looking for, not
>>burnouts, but full clutch feel and control.
>
>
> On the subject of CDV, I've found opinions (not mine), stating that it was
> put in there by BMW for people who don't know how to properly drive a
> stickshift, i.e. they lack the finesse needed to smoothly operate the
> clutch. For others that do know how, CDV is mostly a neusance, takes away
> from driving pleasure, and sometimes misbehaves causing unwanted surges or
> whatnot. What's your opinion on the subject?
>
> I testdrove a 330ci once, and it felt nice and smooth, although it was a
> rather quick drive. No idea if it still had its CDV or it was removed.
>
> Thanks,
> Pete
>
>

BMW put it in there to limit shock to the driveline (clutch dumps, etc.)
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