Toyota to recall 600,000 Sienna minivans

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 08:23:17 -0700, Wayne wrote:

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> "john" wrote in message
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>> Yeah, another Toyota recall.
>>
>> "Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to inspect
>> for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to the more than
>> 6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this year.
>>
> If the gummint dived into GM vehicles the way Toyota is being
> persecuted.....GM would cease to exist.

The Government *owns* GM. Toyota is the biggest competitor.
Lahood is an ex UAW union dog.
No rocket science involved
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"me" wrote in message

> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:19:05 -0400, Hachiroku ????
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 08:23:17 -0700, Wayne wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "john" wrote in message
>>>
>>>> Yeah, another Toyota recall.
>>>>
>>>> "Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to inspect
>>>> for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to the more
>>>> than
>>>> 6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this year.
>>>>
>>> If the gummint dived into GM vehicles the way Toyota is being
>>> persecuted.....GM would cease to exist.
>>
>>The Government *owns* GM. Toyota is the biggest competitor.
>>Lahood is an ex UAW union dog.
>>No rocket science involved
>
> Yeah... it's all a government conspiracy.
-
No, but that's the way the government approaches problems. When you get on
the government's radar, you are in trouble until the government gets
distracted to something else. Realistically, Toyota cars are pretty damned
good. It is not likely that any other car manufacturer would do as well as
Toyota under the current scrutiny.

However, all this micromanagement by the government is going to get Toyota
to produce a much better product, and Toyota will really kick ass in the
future.
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On Apr 16, 11:14 pm, john wrote:
> Yeah, another Toyota recall.
>
> "Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to inspect
> for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to the more
> than 6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this
> year.
>
> Toyota said it does not yet have a fix for the problem, which is
> likely confined to 20 cold-weather states, including Michigan, which
> use road salt in winter. Owners in other states can have their vans
> inspected for the problem.
>
> http://www.freep.com/article/20100416/BUSINESS01/100416067/1210/busin...


No fix for the problem? Really? Simply switching to a non-stainless-
steel cable should do it...?! Or hey, just coat the cable with epoxy
or something...

Michael
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me wrote in


> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 09:08:50 -0700, "Wayne"
> wrote:
>
>>No, but that's the way the government approaches problems. When you
>>get on the government's radar, you are in trouble until the government
>>gets distracted to something else.
>
> Yes, when you piss off the NHTSA they start to look at all you are
> doing. Toyota has lots of dirty laundry.
>
>> Realistically, Toyota cars are pretty damned
>>good. It is not likely that any other car manufacturer would do as
>>well as Toyota under the current scrutiny.
>
> I don't know that the second part of that is true. Some manufacturers
> are very cautious with safety issues and very generous with repairs
> when they see a major issue. Toyota is obviously not the only one who
> hides problems though.
>
>>However, all this micromanagement by the government is going to get
>>Toyota to produce a much better product, and Toyota will really kick
>>ass in the future.
>
> Maybe. I question whether a company with this embedded corporate and
> cultural attitude can ever change. See my post on their actions way
> back in 1986 when they were already like this - but it just didn't hit
> the level of widespread deaths so there wasn't an uproar. Large
> companies with longstanding company cultures don't change very fast
> and when you add in the "people culture" issue, I don't really know
> that they'll ever change.
>
There *are* problems with Toyota's upper management and the same ones exist
within Honda IMHO. If you want proof, look up what happened last year in
Formula one and How Toyota's done in F1 for their period in it. These probably
don't have any affect on their road cars per se, but certainly would have
an affect on any response to such actions by the US Govt.

--
(setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 09:08:50 -0700, Wayne wrote:

>
> "me" wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:19:05 -0400, Hachiroku ????
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 08:23:17 -0700, Wayne wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "john" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, another Toyota recall.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to
>>>>> inspect for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to
>>>>> the more than
>>>>> 6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this year.
>>>>>
>>>> If the gummint dived into GM vehicles the way Toyota is being
>>>> persecuted.....GM would cease to exist.
>>>
>>>The Government *owns* GM. Toyota is the biggest competitor. Lahood is an
>>>ex UAW union dog.
>>>No rocket science involved
>>
>> Yeah... it's all a government conspiracy.
> -
> No, but that's the way the government approaches problems. When you get
> on the government's radar, you are in trouble until the government gets
> distracted to something else. Realistically, Toyota cars are pretty
> damned good. It is not likely that any other car manufacturer would do as
> well as Toyota under the current scrutiny.
>
> However, all this micromanagement by the government is going to get Toyota
> to produce a much better product, and Toyota will really kick ass in the
> future.

About the way it'll play out. I can't wait to get a 2014 Scion!
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"Hachiroku ????" wrote in message

> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 09:08:50 -0700, Wayne wrote:
>
>>
>> "me" wrote in message
>>
>>> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:19:05 -0400, Hachiroku ????
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 08:23:17 -0700, Wayne wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "john" wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, another Toyota recall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to
>>>>>> inspect for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to
>>>>>> the more than
>>>>>> 6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this year.
>>>>>>
>>>>> If the gummint dived into GM vehicles the way Toyota is being
>>>>> persecuted.....GM would cease to exist.
>>>>
>>>>The Government *owns* GM. Toyota is the biggest competitor. Lahood is an
>>>>ex UAW union dog.
>>>>No rocket science involved
>>>
>>> Yeah... it's all a government conspiracy.
>> -
>> No, but that's the way the government approaches problems. When you get
>> on the government's radar, you are in trouble until the government gets
>> distracted to something else. Realistically, Toyota cars are pretty
>> damned good. It is not likely that any other car manufacturer would do
>> as
>> well as Toyota under the current scrutiny.
>>
>> However, all this micromanagement by the government is going to get
>> Toyota
>> to produce a much better product, and Toyota will really kick ass in the
>> future.
>
> About the way it'll play out. I can't wait to get a 2014 Scion!
>
Why wait till 2014?
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On Apr 19, 3:46 pm, "Wayne" wrote:
> "Hachiroku ????" wrote in message
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 09:08:50 -0700, Wayne wrote:
>
> >> "me" wrote in message
> >>
> >>> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:19:05 -0400, Hachiroku ????
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>>On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 08:23:17 -0700, Wayne wrote:
>
> >>>>> "john" wrote in message
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Yeah, another Toyota recall.
>
> >>>>>> "Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to
> >>>>>> inspect for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to
> >>>>>> the more than
> >>>>>> 6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this year..
>
> >>>>> If the gummint dived into GM vehicles the way Toyota is being
> >>>>> persecuted.....GM would cease to exist.
>
> >>>>The Government *owns* GM. Toyota is the biggest competitor. Lahood is an
> >>>>ex UAW union dog.
> >>>>No rocket science involved
>
> >>> Yeah... it's all a government conspiracy.
> >> -
> >> No, but that's the way the government approaches problems.  When you get
> >> on the government's radar, you are in trouble until the government gets
> >> distracted to something else.  Realistically, Toyota cars are pretty
> >> damned good.  It is not likely that any other car manufacturer would do
> >> as
> >> well as Toyota under the current scrutiny.
>
> >> However, all this micromanagement by the government is going to get
> >> Toyota
> >> to produce a much better product, and Toyota will really kick ass in the
> >> future.
>
> > About the way it'll play out. I can't wait to get a 2014 Scion!
>
> Why wait till 2014?

I thought this number makes more sense.
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:46:52 -0700, Wayne wrote:

>
> "Hachiroku ????" wrote in message
>
>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 09:08:50 -0700, Wayne wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "me" wrote in message
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:19:05 -0400, Hachiroku ????
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 08:23:17 -0700, Wayne wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "john" wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, another Toyota recall.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to
>>>>>>> inspect for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to
>>>>>>> the more than
>>>>>>> 6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the gummint dived into GM vehicles the way Toyota is being
>>>>>> persecuted.....GM would cease to exist.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Government *owns* GM. Toyota is the biggest competitor. Lahood is
>>>>>an ex UAW union dog.
>>>>>No rocket science involved
>>>>
>>>> Yeah... it's all a government conspiracy.
>>> -
>>> No, but that's the way the government approaches problems. When you
>>> get on the government's radar, you are in trouble until the government
>>> gets distracted to something else. Realistically, Toyota cars are
>>> pretty damned good. It is not likely that any other car manufacturer
>>> would do as
>>> well as Toyota under the current scrutiny.
>>>
>>> However, all this micromanagement by the government is going to get
>>> Toyota
>>> to produce a much better product, and Toyota will really kick ass in
>>> the future.
>>
>> About the way it'll play out. I can't wait to get a 2014 Scion!
>>
> Why wait till 2014?

Gonna take them about that to re-engineer and get the goodies out.
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"Hachiroku ????" wrote in message

> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:46:52 -0700, Wayne wrote:
>
>>
>> "Hachiroku ????" wrote in message
>>
>>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 09:08:50 -0700, Wayne wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "me" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:19:05 -0400, Hachiroku ????
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 08:23:17 -0700, Wayne wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "john" wrote in message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, another Toyota recall.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to
>>>>>>>> inspect for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to
>>>>>>>> the more than
>>>>>>>> 6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the gummint dived into GM vehicles the way Toyota is being
>>>>>>> persecuted.....GM would cease to exist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Government *owns* GM. Toyota is the biggest competitor. Lahood is
>>>>>>an ex UAW union dog.
>>>>>>No rocket science involved
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah... it's all a government conspiracy.
>>>> -
>>>> No, but that's the way the government approaches problems. When you
>>>> get on the government's radar, you are in trouble until the government
>>>> gets distracted to something else. Realistically, Toyota cars are
>>>> pretty damned good. It is not likely that any other car manufacturer
>>>> would do as
>>>> well as Toyota under the current scrutiny.
>>>>
>>>> However, all this micromanagement by the government is going to get
>>>> Toyota
>>>> to produce a much better product, and Toyota will really kick ass in
>>>> the future.
>>>
>>> About the way it'll play out. I can't wait to get a 2014 Scion!
>>>
>> Why wait till 2014?
>
> Gonna take them about that to re-engineer and get the goodies out.
>
Perhaps. But I bought a 2010 RX-350 with no hesitation, and it appears to
be the best car I have ever owned. My comparison vehicle is a 1999 RX-300
that only had a burned out brake light in 95000 miles of driving. I don't
see a reason to wait on buying a Toyota product.
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On Apr 17, 2:14 am, john wrote:
> Yeah, another Toyota recall.
>
> "Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to inspect
> for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to the more
> than 6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this
> year.
>
> Toyota said it does not yet have a fix for the problem, which is
> likely confined to 20 cold-weather states, including Michigan, which
> use road salt in winter. Owners in other states can have their vans
> inspected for the problem.
>
> http://www.freep.com/article/20100416/BUSINESS01/100416067/1210/busin...

The fix is pretty simple; an annual inspection and grease applied to
the cable. My 1998 Sienna, as well as LOTS of other vehicles on the
road, used a similar cable system. Every year, when I checked the
spare tire, I'd also grease the cable.

But there are LOTS of other vehicles out there using a similar cable
for the spare. Only Toyota cables rust?
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"ACAR" wrote in message

On Apr 17, 2:14 am, john wrote:
> Yeah, another Toyota recall.
>
> "Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to inspect
> for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to the more
> than 6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this
> year.
>
> Toyota said it does not yet have a fix for the problem, which is
> likely confined to 20 cold-weather states, including Michigan, which
> use road salt in winter. Owners in other states can have their vans
> inspected for the problem.
>
> http://www.freep.com/article/20100416/BUSINESS01/100416067/1210/busin...

The fix is pretty simple; an annual inspection and grease applied to
the cable. My 1998 Sienna, as well as LOTS of other vehicles on the
road, used a similar cable system. Every year, when I checked the
spare tire, I'd also grease the cable.

But there are LOTS of other vehicles out there using a similar cable
for the spare. Only Toyota cables rust?
***************
Nope....same problem on lots of other brands. But Toyota is the current
pinata being beaten.
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