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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:40 pm
Post subject: Toyota lays down hybrid gauntlet
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Toyota lays down hybrid gauntlet
Pivotal battle with GM on horizon; Toyota says it will beat CAFE deadlines
Mark Rechtin
Automotive News
January 13, 2008 - 9:56 pm ET
Toyota President President Katsuaki Watanabe says the automaker will not
wait for the latest CAFE standards deadline.
DETROIT - In an escalating war of green-fuel rhetoric, Toyota Motor CEO
Katsuaki Watanabe laid forth several bold moves for the automaker in the
next several years.
In a speech delivered here Sunday evening, Watanabe proclaimed that Toyota
will:
-- Deliver lithium-ion hybrid vehicles to demonstration fleets in 2010.
These vehicles include plug-in hybrids that already have been under
development. Toyota, in fact, already has two plug-in prototype vehicles in
demonstration tests with the University of California, but they have
lower-tech nickel-metal-hydride battery packs.
-- Unveil new hybrid models for the Toyota and Lexus brands at the 2009
Detroit auto show. These will be production vehicles in addition to the
Prius, and will be offered only with hybrid powertrains.
-- Increase investment in cellulosic ethanol derived from wood waste,
through a Toyota affiliated company.
-- Launch clean-diesel V-8 versions of the Tundra pickup and Sequoia SUV
within the next 24 months.
-- Expand the Panasonic joint-venture battery factory, adding an assembly
line dedicated to automotive battery applications.
-- Sell 1 million hybrid-powered vehicles by 2011 or 2012.
-- Meet the CAFE standard of a 35 mpg vehicle fleet " well in advance" of
the 2020 regulation's start.
Watanabe outlined these advances in rough form, but well-placed Toyota
sources advanced his general remarks with specifics. The sources spoke on
condition of anonymity, so as not to upstage Watanabe's announcement.
Although General Motors has announced similar targets for lithium-ion and
cellulosic ethanol technologies, it is doing the research through small or
start-up companies that are not connected to GM. Watanabe said Toyota will
do the r&d in-house, which he said would be " faster and more efficient."
Regarding CAFE, Watanabe said " we will not wait until the deadline to
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:40 pm
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| Outstanding! The prius has been a great step forward in hybrid
technology, and it is good to see that Toyota is continuing to lead
the way. Hopefully this move will further force companies like Ford
and DaimlerChrystler to rethink their business strategies and start
making safe, affordable, fuel-efficient cars. We will see.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:31 am
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"Ed White" <cewhite3.DeleteThis@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Toyota lays down hybrid gauntlet
>
> Pivotal battle with GM on horizon; Toyota says it will beat CAFE deadlines
>
> Mark Rechtin
> Automotive News
> January 13, 2008 - 9:56 pm ET
> Toyota President President Katsuaki Watanabe says the automaker will not
> wait for the latest CAFE standards deadline.
>
> DETROIT - In an escalating war of green-fuel rhetoric, Toyota Motor CEO
> Katsuaki Watanabe laid forth several bold moves for the automaker in the
> next several years.
> In a speech delivered here Sunday evening, Watanabe proclaimed that Toyota
> will:
> -- Deliver lithium-ion hybrid vehicles to demonstration fleets in 2010.
> These vehicles include plug-in hybrids that already have been under
> development. Toyota, in fact, already has two plug-in prototype vehicles
> in demonstration tests with the University of California, but they have
> lower-tech nickel-metal-hydride battery packs.
> -- Unveil new hybrid models for the Toyota and Lexus brands at the 2009
> Detroit auto show. These will be production vehicles in addition to the
> Prius, and will be offered only with hybrid powertrains.
> -- Increase investment in cellulosic ethanol derived from wood waste,
> through a Toyota affiliated company.
> -- Launch clean-diesel V-8 versions of the Tundra pickup and Sequoia SUV
CLEAN diesel??? Yeah, right. No such thing. They just end up emitting
invisible, tiny particles which are STILL carcinogenic and, because of their
small size, get much further into your lungs before lodging in place.
> within the next 24 months.
> -- Expand the Panasonic joint-venture battery factory, adding an assembly
> line dedicated to automotive battery applications.
> -- Sell 1 million hybrid-powered vehicles by 2011 or 2012.
> -- Meet the CAFE standard of a 35 mpg vehicle fleet " well in advance" of
> the 2020 regulation's start.
>
> Watanabe outlined these advances in rough form, but well-placed Toyota
> sources advanced his general remarks with specifics. The sources spoke on
> condition of anonymity, so as not to upstage Watanabe's announcement.
>
> Although General Motors has announced similar targets for lithium-ion and
> cellulosic ethanol technologies, it is doing the research through small or
> start-up companies that are not connected to GM. Watanabe said Toyota will
> do the r&d in-house, which he said would be " faster and more efficient."
>
> Regarding CAFE, Watanabe said " we will not wait until the deadline to
> comply" with the regulations.
> >> Stay informed about: Toyota lays down hybrid gauntlet |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:14 pm
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If that is what you believe why does Ford have the best selling hybrid SUVs
?
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> Outstanding! The prius has been a great step forward in hybrid
> technology, and it is good to see that Toyota is continuing to lead
> the way. Hopefully this move will further force companies like Ford
> and DaimlerChrystler to rethink their business strategies and start
> making safe, affordable, fuel-efficient cars. We will see. >> Stay informed about: Toyota lays down hybrid gauntlet |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:48 pm
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:58 pm
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But in my view the Prius is just for shows. I mean, Tata's recently
unveiled Nano gets 54MPG on a gas engine, and it's only $2500, if you
really want to save gas AND money.
http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/pictures-2500-tata-nano...r-offic
On Jan 14, 12:14 pm, "Mike hunt" <mikehun....DeleteThis@lycos.com> wrote:
> If that is what you believe why does Ford have the best selling hybrid SUVs
> ?
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> <andy.kaufman....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Outstanding! The prius has been a great step forward in hybrid
> > technology, and it is good to see that Toyota is continuing to lead
> > the way. Hopefully this move will further force companies like Ford
> > and DaimlerChrystler to rethink their business strategies and start
> > making safe, affordable, fuel-efficient cars. We will see. >> Stay informed about: Toyota lays down hybrid gauntlet |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:00 pm
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On Jan 14, 9:58 pm, johngd....DeleteThis@hotmail.com wrote:
> But in my view the Prius is just for shows. I mean, Tata's recently
> unveiled Nano gets 54MPG on a gas engine, and it's only $2500, if you
> really want to save gas AND money.
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> http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/pictures-2500-tata-nan...
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> On Jan 14, 12:14 pm, "Mike hunt" <mikehun....DeleteThis@lycos.com> wrote:
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> > If that is what you believe why does Ford have the best selling hybrid SUVs
> > ?
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> > <andy.kaufman....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >news:7d6bde00-279b-4df7-98a6-fc9f8e1ef0e9@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
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> > > Outstanding! The prius has been a great step forward in hybrid
> > > technology, and it is good to see that Toyota is continuing to lead
> > > the way. Hopefully this move will further force companies like Ford
> > > and DaimlerChrystler to rethink their business strategies and start
> > > making safe, affordable, fuel-efficient cars. We will see.- Hide quoted text -
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On Jan 14, 9:58 pm, johngd....DeleteThis@hotmail.com wrote:
> But in my view the Prius is just for shows. I mean, Tata's recently
> unveiled Nano gets 54MPG on a gas engine, and it's only $2500, if you
> really want to save gas AND money.
The Prius isn't just for show. Prius is classed as a mid-size family
sedan, not so the nano, and anyone who has ridden in a prius can
attest to its deceptivly larger than the eye beholds actual interior
room. What about safety, how about emmisions? Reliability and
longevity? Consumer reports or similar mag just recently published the
prius as the "most loved" car by purchasers. Most likely to be
recommended by owners. Tata nano should be renamed tsk tsk no-no
unless seriously restricted in speed and other traffic around it and
regardless would never be allowed in the USA (certainly car markets
are bigger than the US, but this is one instance where it doesn't meet
safety std's and shouldn't be allowed in for that failing grade
alone). My wife and I were talking about it. If every other car was a
nono, with a max speed in city of 25 or less, then maybe. Still I
would expect a total loss if I hit a NYC sized pot-hole. Otherwise I'd
be safer surfing/being pulled from a cars bumper with a pair of
rollerblades on with taco bell as fuel instead of from the pump in a
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:48 pm
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Make that $2,500 in INDIA, where the average person lives on $1 a day
LOL
<johngdole.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> But in my view the Prius is just for shows. I mean, Tata's recently
> unveiled Nano gets 54MPG on a gas engine, and it's only $2500, if you
> really want to save gas AND money.
>
> http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/pictures-2500-tata-nano...r-offic
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> On Jan 14, 12:14 pm, "Mike hunt" <mikehun....RemoveThis@lycos.com> wrote:
>> If that is what you believe why does Ford have the best selling hybrid
>> SUVs
>> ?
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>> <andy.kaufman....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> > Outstanding! The prius has been a great step forward in hybrid
>> > technology, and it is good to see that Toyota is continuing to lead
>> > the way. Hopefully this move will further force companies like Ford
>> > and DaimlerChrystler to rethink their business strategies and start
>> > making safe, affordable, fuel-efficient cars. We will see.
> >> Stay informed about: Toyota lays down hybrid gauntlet |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:02 pm
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Mike hunt wrote:
> Make that $2,500 in INDIA, where the average person lives on $1 a day
> LOL
Per capita income is $1089, which is like $3 per day. And the purchasing
power parity in India is over $4000.
The per capita income in the US is around $30,000, so the average person
in India has about 1/7 the purchasing power as the average person in the US.
Jeff >> Stay informed about: Toyota lays down hybrid gauntlet |
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