Toyota Reliability Slips behind Honda

On Nov 2, 3:17 pm, "mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"
<"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote:
> Thom wrote:
> > On Nov 2, 2:22 pm, "tww1491" <twau... DeleteThis @cox.net> wrote:
>
> >>To my surprise, my latest CU Reports states that Toyota reliabilty has
> >>slipped behind Honda and Suburu to 3rd place. Apparently, the Camry V6
> >>6-speed automatic has problems. The CU survey of 1.3 million vehicles
> >>apparently revealed serious problem with V6 Camry, the AWD Lexus GS and the
> >>Tundra. I few years ago it was oil gelling engines.
>
> > Actually, they are 5th, according to the report in Car and Driver.
>
> > 1. Honda
> > 2. Acura
> > 3. Scion
> > 4. Subaru
> > 5. Toyota
>
> Scion is a Toyota brand, using Toyota drivetrains.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Doesn't matter, they are seperate, just like Acura and Lexus, etc...
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"tww1491" <twaugh5.RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote in message
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> To my surprise, my latest CU Reports states that Toyota reliabilty has
> slipped behind Honda and Suburu to 3rd place. Apparently, the Camry V6
> 6-speed automatic has problems. The CU survey of 1.3 million vehicles
> apparently revealed serious problem with V6 Camry, the AWD Lexus GS and
> the Tundra. I few years ago it was oil gelling engines.

I ddin't trust CU statistics when the claimed Toyota was super good. I don't
trust them now that they are saying Toyota is not so great. Poor data
collection techinques = poor conclusions.

Ed
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"Thom" <thomcasey.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 2, 2:22 pm, "tww1491" <twau....TakeThisOut@cox.net> wrote:
>> To my surprise, my latest CU Reports states that Toyota reliabilty has
>> slipped behind Honda and Suburu to 3rd place. Apparently, the Camry V6
>> 6-speed automatic has problems. The CU survey of 1.3 million vehicles
>> apparently revealed serious problem with V6 Camry, the AWD Lexus GS and
>> the
>> Tundra. I few years ago it was oil gelling engines.
>
> Actually, they are 5th, according to the report in Car and Driver.
>
> 1. Honda
> 2. Acura
> 3. Scion
> 4. Subaru
> 5. Toyota

And how is C&D collecting statistics?

Ed
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Thom wrote:
> On Nov 2, 3:17 pm, "mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"
> <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Thom wrote:
>>> On Nov 2, 2:22 pm, "tww1491" <twau... RemoveThis @cox.net> wrote:
>>>> To my surprise, my latest CU Reports states that Toyota reliabilty has
>>>> slipped behind Honda and Suburu to 3rd place. Apparently, the Camry V6
>>>> 6-speed automatic has problems. The CU survey of 1.3 million vehicles
>>>> apparently revealed serious problem with V6 Camry, the AWD Lexus GS and the
>>>> Tundra. I few years ago it was oil gelling engines.
>>> Actually, they are 5th, according to the report in Car and Driver.
>>> 1. Honda
>>> 2. Acura
>>> 3. Scion
>>> 4. Subaru
>>> 5. Toyota
>> Scion is a Toyota brand, using Toyota drivetrains.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Doesn't matter, they are seperate, just like Acura and Lexus, etc...
>

no, same company, same designers, parts suppliers. "acura" models are
even sold as honda in other countries. acura /is/ honda. scion /is/
toyota. lexus /is/ toyota.
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C. E. White wrote:
> "tww1491" <twaugh5 DeleteThis @cox.net> wrote in message
> news:aTJWi.1542$Tp3.689@newsfe15.lga...
>> To my surprise, my latest CU Reports states that Toyota reliabilty has
>> slipped behind Honda and Suburu to 3rd place. Apparently, the Camry V6
>> 6-speed automatic has problems. The CU survey of 1.3 million vehicles
>> apparently revealed serious problem with V6 Camry, the AWD Lexus GS and
>> the Tundra. I few years ago it was oil gelling engines.
>
> I ddin't trust CU statistics

why ever not??? they are the finest statistics money can buy!


> when the claimed Toyota was super good. I don't
> trust them now that they are saying Toyota is not so great. Poor data
> collection techinques = poor conclusions.

collection techniques? easy - staple the check to the top of the
"report" you've written for them - that way the "collection" is taken
care of.
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Thom wrote:
> On Nov 2, 2:22 pm, "tww1491" <twau....DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>To my surprise, my latest CU Reports states that Toyota reliabilty has
>>slipped behind Honda and Suburu to 3rd place. Apparently, the Camry V6
>>6-speed automatic has problems. The CU survey of 1.3 million vehicles
>>apparently revealed serious problem with V6 Camry, the AWD Lexus GS and the
>>Tundra. I few years ago it was oil gelling engines.
>
>
> Actually, they are 5th, according to the report in Car and Driver.
>
> 1. Honda
> 2. Acura
> 3. Scion
> 4. Subaru
> 5. Toyota
>

Scion is a Toyota brand, using Toyota drivetrains.
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C. E. White wrote:

>
> I ddin't trust CU statistics when the claimed Toyota was super good. I don't
> trust them now that they are saying Toyota is not so great. Poor data
> collection techinques = poor conclusions.
>
>
Until the auto makers start releasing internal data like warranty claims
and replacement parts sales we don't have any better data available.
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jim beam wrote:

> C. E. White wrote:
>> "tww1491" <twaugh5 DeleteThis @cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:aTJWi.1542$Tp3.689@newsfe15.lga...
>>> To my surprise, my latest CU Reports states that Toyota reliabilty has
>>> slipped behind Honda and Suburu to 3rd place. Apparently, the Camry V6
>>> 6-speed automatic has problems. The CU survey of 1.3 million vehicles
>>> apparently revealed serious problem with V6 Camry, the AWD Lexus GS and
>>> the Tundra. I few years ago it was oil gelling engines.
>>
>> I ddin't trust CU statistics
>
> why ever not??? they are the finest statistics money can buy!
>
>> when the claimed Toyota was super good. I don't
>> trust them now that they are saying Toyota is not so great. Poor data
>> collection techinques = poor conclusions.
>
> collection techniques? easy - staple the check to the top of the
> "report" you've written for them - that way the "collection" is taken
> care of.

C.E. "Ed" White is a known troll in the Toyota newsgroup. He owned only one
Toyota a long, long time ago that was a rare lemon, and has had a hatred for
Toyota ever since. He's been known to lie and exaggerate to make Toyota
look bad, and disputes any reliability ratings that make Toyota look good
while believing those that make them look not as desirable. Ignore him.
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On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:41:55 -0700, jim beam
<spamvortex.RemoveThis@bad.example.net> wrote:

>C. E. White wrote:
>> "tww1491" <twaugh5.RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:aTJWi.1542$Tp3.689@newsfe15.lga...
>>> To my surprise, my latest CU Reports states that Toyota reliabilty has
>>> slipped behind Honda and Suburu to 3rd place. Apparently, the Camry V6
>>> 6-speed automatic has problems. The CU survey of 1.3 million vehicles
>>> apparently revealed serious problem with V6 Camry, the AWD Lexus GS and
>>> the Tundra. I few years ago it was oil gelling engines.
>>
>> I ddin't trust CU statistics
>
>why ever not??? they are the finest statistics money can buy!
>
>
>> when the claimed Toyota was super good. I don't
>> trust them now that they are saying Toyota is not so great. Poor data
>> collection techinques = poor conclusions.
>
>collection techniques? easy - staple the check to the top of the
>"report" you've written for them - that way the "collection" is taken
>care of.

You are implying that CU can be bribed. Considering the extensive
efforts CU makes to eliminate commercial influence on its results,
perhaps you could provide some support for this allegation.
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> I don't intend to imply that Consumer Reports is perfect, but I weary of
> the absurd pronouncements made against them. Through the years, they have
> found that Honda and Toyota are generally the most reliable automobiles.
> So have I. As a computer systems analyst, I find their information
> somewhat shallow with respect to computers - but it's not inaccurate, and
> will be used by people who don't have the depth of knowledge in the field
> that I do. I presume a similar state with, say, digital cameras - that
> the expert may make different choices for different reasons, but the
> layman would be well-guided by the information provided.
>
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen
> --
> "I've been accused of vulgarity. I say that's bullshit." - Mel Brooks

Like many others, I have completed the surveys CU sends out. Their
assessments for products I have owned parallel my experience. I have always
found them a useful resource. There recent recanting on child's car seats
also indicates that they will admit their mistakes which suggests integrity.
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jim beam wrote:
>
> i read reviews of some products i own, and find them to be wildly
> inaccurate. others, i see well reviewed, and find them to be garbage.
> bottom line, i don't believe everything i read.

So, your reasoning is, the data must be wrong since your particular case
differed greatly from the group average?

Under that reasoning, either all their products should be faulty, or none.

Thanks for playing "Why I Don't Believe in Statistics!"
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On 2007-11-02, tww1491 <twaugh5 DeleteThis @cox.net> wrote:
> To my surprise, my latest CU Reports states that Toyota reliabilty has
> slipped behind Honda and Suburu to 3rd place. Apparently, the Camry V6
> 6-speed automatic has problems. The CU survey of 1.3 million vehicles
> apparently revealed serious problem with V6 Camry, the AWD Lexus GS and the
> Tundra. I few years ago it was oil gelling engines.
>
>
As an owner of both Toyota and Honda products, I'd put my money on the
reliability of the older 22RE over any Honda product. Better yet I still
have one with the 20R on the road. These Jap companies should just stick
to the 4-cyclinder engines that originally got them their great
reliability ratings. I wouldn't own another Honda or Toyota that didn't
have a 4 banger in it.
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