Toyota's Lexus April 08 car sales drop 22.1%, trucks down ..

On Sat, 3 May 2008 20:29:41 -0700 (PDT), johngdole RemoveThis @hotmail.com wrote:

According to Reuters, during the same period, GM sales fell 23%, Ford
fell 19%, and Chrysler fell nearly 30%.

This is an industry-wide issue, but to john, the story is that people
are finally getting wise to the fact that Lexus makes terrible cars,
and all those reviews and consumer surveys have been filled with lies
all these years!

Also, isn't it strange that john loves to refer to Lexus as Toyota on
this newsgroup, but in this case he neglects to share the fact that
over the same period, Toyota is up 3.4%, bucking the industry trend.

I think Andrew Lang may have been referring to john when he said,
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts - for support
rather than illumination".
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I think you're right, Graybeard!

It's too bad the ES, which is a nicely dolled-up Toyota Camry with
leather seats, has this type of poor piston-bore clearance production
line issues. Powertrain has not been Toyota's strength unfortunately.

See if BMW will give you sufficient trade-in value for your junk ES.
BTW, "The BMW Group in the U.S. (BMW and MINI combined) today reported
April vehicle sales of 31,448, an increase of 9.6 percent from the
28,692 vehicles sold in the same month of 2007." And I thought the the
Euro is strong against the US dollar.




On May 4, 6:05 am, "Graybeard" <graybear....RemoveThis@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> Maybe someone else besides me doesn't think that "piston slap" in the ES350
> is "Normal".
> Graybeard
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No, I use YOU as my lamp post.


On May 4, 9:41 am, DaveW <yzfr....RemoveThis@yahoooo.com> wrote:
> I think Andrew Lang may have been referring to john when he said,
> "He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts - for support
> rather than illumination".
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No piston slap is never normal, except as you found in the contrary
from Lexus.

Poor metallurgy and long term wear is one reason; however, relaxed
production line tolerance is another (given other new ES on the lot
suffered the same).

I thought these days every manufacturer matches pistons to cylinder
bores to achieve the necessary tolerance. Well maybe not Toyota (which
makes Lexus line).

Piston slaps: "essentially, the piston moves sideways and "slaps" or
"knocks" hard against the cylinder bore and causes damage to the
engine pistons and cylinders, excessive smoke emissions, excessive oil
consumption, carbon buildup on piston heads, decreased mileage, and a
loud and obnoxious "slapping" or "knocking" noise, all of which
diminishes vehicle resale value in the trade."



On May 4, 6:05 am, "Graybeard" <graybear....DeleteThis@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> Maybe someone else besides me doesn't think that "piston slap" in the ES350
> is "Normal".
> Graybeard
>
> <johngd....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a5b24521-04f5-4ffa-a790-48ef8eb642d0@j9g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
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> >http://www.autospies.com/news/Toyota-Sales-Drop-4-5-In-April-Lexus-Sa...
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> > Lexus Division
>
> > Lexus passenger cars reported April sales of 13,766 units, a
> > decrease of 22.1 percent from April 2007. Passenger-car sales were led
> > by the ES entry luxury sedan with April sales of 5,439 units. The IS
> > entry luxury sport sedan reported combined sales of 4,550 units. The
> > LS flagship luxury sedan reported combined sales of 1,992 units. Sales
> > of the GS luxury sport sedan reported combined April sales of 1,568
> > units.
>
> > Lexus Division light trucks reported April sales totaling 9,584
> > units, down 8.6 percent from the year-ago month. The all-new LX 570
> > enjoyed sales of 799 units, an increase of 207.3 percent. The RX
> > luxury utility vehicle posted combined April sales of 7,160 units. The
> > RX 400h hybrid luxury utility vehicle reported sales of 1,624 units
> > for the month, up eight percent over the year ago month.
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On Tue, 6 May 2008 18:34:16 -0700 (PDT), johngdole.DeleteThis@hotmail.com wrote:

>See if BMW will give you sufficient trade-in value for your junk ES.
>BTW, "The BMW Group in the U.S. (BMW and MINI combined) today reported
>April vehicle sales of 31,448, an increase of 9.6 percent from the
>28,692 vehicles sold in the same month of 2007." And I thought the the
>Euro is strong against the US dollar.

"BMW Group (BMW and MINI combined) US sales up 9.6 percent in April.
Year-to-date sales are down 4 percent."

You seem to have forgotten the second part of their sales report
statement, which is reported in every single place the April sales are
reported - except , of course, in alt.autos.lexus, where
Al - john - Zeera keeps the ignorant masses informed about the evils
of Lexus.

Were you aware of the year-to-date sales figures john, and just chose
to edit them out, or did you just read the first sentence and rush
over here drooling on your keyboard to tell us?

Don't worry, I'm sure this unfortunate quarter for BMW is an
aberration, and when you've finished educating usenet, people will
start buying them once again.
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On May 6, 6:34 pm, johngd....DeleteThis@hotmail.com wrote:
> I think you're right, Graybeard!
>
> It's too bad the ES, which is a nicely dolled-up Toyota Camry with
> leather seats, has this type of poor piston-bore clearance production
> line issues. Powertrain has not been Toyota's strength unfortunately.
>
> See if BMW will give you sufficient trade-in value for your junk ES.
> BTW, "The BMW Group in the U.S. (BMW and MINI combined) today reported
> April vehicle sales of 31,448, an increase of 9.6 percent from the
> 28,692 vehicles sold in the same month of 2007." And I thought the the
> Euro is strong against the US dollar.

What does the exchange rate have to do with car sales? Unless you're
saying BMW raised their prices in April due to a strong euro and STILL
managed to increase sales, it's a non-factor.

Lexus YTD sales, while down from 2007, are at 89,865. BMW YTD 85,100
(not including Mini).
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In article <9cffe234-e073-4141-a776-825b3bb09fb7
@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, johngdole RemoveThis @hotmail.com says...
> No piston slap is never normal, except as you found in the contrary
> from Lexus.
>
Really, someone should tell Ferrari that every engine they have ever
made is a pile of steaming shite. Especially the F1 engines.

Oh and Porsche air cooled engines.
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