Synthetic for old Celica?

"Jeff" wrote in message

> Ray O wrote:
>> "Tomes" wrote in message
>>
>>> "Ray O" ...
>>>
>>>> "Tomes" ...
>>>>> This has gotta win an award for the most tedious thread that I have
>>>>> seen in a while.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray has the patience of a saint.
>>>>> Tomes
>>>> I've gained quite a bit of patience in 25 years as a scout leader, and
>>>> taking them climbing and rappelling in the past 6 years takes even
>>>> more. It is not always easy to convince a Scout or adult that it is
>>>> safe to step backwards off of a 50 foot drop-off. Of course, the only
>>>> time someone freezes up high where I can't leave them unattended or
>>>> halfway up a climb when I'm holding their belay rope is when the 3 or 4
>>>> cups of coffee I drank needs to go somewhere.
>>>> --
>>>>
>>> I teach science to 6th graders in a city so I have an idea of what you
>>> speak. I also am reminded of rappelling about 40 years ago in BS,
>>> thanks for making me remember that.
>>> Tomes
>>> (Eagle Scout with 49 merit badges)
>>
>> IMO, teaching is one of the most under-appreciated and under-respected
>> professions in the U.S. I find it interesting that the term "sensei" in
>> Japan refers to teachers, martial arts instructors, clergy men, doctors,
>> and lawyers. My hat is off to you for taking care and educating the
>> future leaders of our society.
>
> In English, the word "doctor" also comes from the word teacher in Latin.
> (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/doctor).

I learned something new today!
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
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>> In English, the word "doctor" also comes from the word teacher in Latin.
>> (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/doctor).
>
> I learned something new today!
> --
>
> Ray O

That is because a doctor is not a just a physician, but more commonly a PhD,
which is Doctor of Philosophy. The PhD degree is the education level of most
college professors. At one time, all knowledge was a branch of Philosophy,
hence the reason why most disciplines award a PhD degree.

But there are also physicians who get a MD (doctor of medicine) degree,
lawyers get a JD ( doctor of jurisprudence), SOD (doctor of synthetic oil),
etc.
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Alright kids... I guess "synthetic" is as volatile (pun intended) as
"politics!"

But I found the MOBILE1 EXTENDED SERVICE 15,000 MILES SYN!

Whooowhoo! a whole year between oil change. Am sold. Remember,
everthing else is secondary.
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:06:15 -0500, "Mark A"
wrote:

>>> In English, the word "doctor" also comes from the word teacher in Latin.
>>> (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/doctor).
>>
>> I learned something new today!
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>
>That is because a doctor is not a just a physician, but more commonly a PhD,
>which is Doctor of Philosophy. The PhD degree is the education level of most
>college professors. At one time, all knowledge was a branch of Philosophy,
>hence the reason why most disciplines award a PhD degree.
>
>But there are also physicians who get a MD (doctor of medicine) degree,
>lawyers get a JD ( doctor of jurisprudence), SOD (doctor of synthetic oil),
>etc.
>

Hehehehe. Ok Mark, you had me going there for a while. Good one!

Jac
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"bobb" wrote in message

> Alright kids... I guess "synthetic" is as volatile (pun intended) as
> "politics!"
>
> But I found the MOBILE1 EXTENDED SERVICE 15,000 MILES SYN!
>
> Whooowhoo! a whole year between oil change. Am sold. Remember,
> everthing else is secondary.

You are going to have to clear that with Ray first.
 >> Stay informed about: Synthetic for old Celica? 

wrote in message

< <snip>
> Toyota tried a 7500 mile oil change sked and
> it bit them in the ass big time with lots of
> gelling problems. They saw the light and went
> back to 5k.

I don't believe that Toyota ever had a 5000 mile interval prior to their
7500 interval (for non-severe service), unless it was a long time ago. Until
the recent change in oil change intervals, it was 7500 miles or 5000 miles
for severe service conditions. So unless I am wrong, they did not "go back"
to an earlier interval. What changed was a new engine design, that because
of emission improvements, required more frequent oil changes.

If everyone had been using a full synthetic, I can guarantee you that no one
would have been having sludge problems with a 7500 change interval unless
they were pouring sludge down the crankcase.
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"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message

>
>
> BTW, I use Castrol Syntec 5W-30 and Toyota OEM oil filters in our '97
> Avalon with 130,000 miles, '03 Sequoia with 60,000 miles, and '01 LS 430
> with 80,000 miles, changed at 5,000 miles intervals. I change the oil
> myself, and a friend brings my old oil to the dealership where he works
> for disposal. I use conventional straight 30 weight in the lawnmower and
> snowblower and change the oil once a season. I pretty much use only OEM
> parts because I know their quality, and the local Toyota dealer is open
> until midnight on weekdays so it is very convenient for me. I use
> aftermarket windshield wiper blades and refills (Exact Fit) because they
> have been "good enough," and the other aftermarket parts I can think of
> that I use are Weathertech floor mats, which last longer than the OEM
> Toyota mats I ordered for the Sequoia, where the seam split in front of
> the accelerator pedal from the driver's heel. Coolant is Toyota red in
> our vehicles and I have some Peak or Prestone in the garage for taking
> care of the people without Toyotas who ask me to look at their cars.
> Windshield washer fluid is the cheapest stuff I can find on sale to buy a
> case of in the spring. Tires are a mixed bag - whatever has the highest
> tread wear rating on display in whatever store I happen to shop for tires
> at in a brand I've heard of that isn't Firestone. I generally prefer
> Die-Hard batteries from Sears or Interstate from the local Toyota dealer,
> although I had a cheap no-name brand installed in the Avalon this month
> when it was below zero, my son had to get to class, and the local gas
> station was fast. I paid $97 for 1 hour labor to the gas station, which
> is about the same as the Toyota dealer. If I didn't have an appointment
> with a client, I would have swapped the battery out myself, saved the
> labor charge, and got a better battery.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>

I am surprised no one else has mentioned this yet but after all of the
bickering about the disclosure of what oil Ray uses I would like to mention
that in my (and MANY others) humble opinions Syntec is NOT synthetic oil
being only group 3 instead of group 4 thus Ray hasn't actually been using
synthetic oil after all and this whole ongoing battle is suddenly a moot
point.

Daniel (uses Mobil 1 5W30 Non-EP and a Wix 51773 filter on a '95 Dodge Grand
Caravan 3.3)
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"Daniel Who Wants to Know" wrote in
message
>
> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
>
>>
>>
>> BTW, I use Castrol Syntec 5W-30 and Toyota OEM oil filters in our '97
>> Avalon with 130,000 miles, '03 Sequoia with 60,000 miles, and '01 LS 430
>> with 80,000 miles, changed at 5,000 miles intervals. I change the oil
>> myself, and a friend brings my old oil to the dealership where he works
>> for disposal. I use conventional straight 30 weight in the lawnmower and
>> snowblower and change the oil once a season. I pretty much use only OEM
>> parts because I know their quality, and the local Toyota dealer is open
>> until midnight on weekdays so it is very convenient for me. I use
>> aftermarket windshield wiper blades and refills (Exact Fit) because they
>> have been "good enough," and the other aftermarket parts I can think of
>> that I use are Weathertech floor mats, which last longer than the OEM
>> Toyota mats I ordered for the Sequoia, where the seam split in front of
>> the accelerator pedal from the driver's heel. Coolant is Toyota red in
>> our vehicles and I have some Peak or Prestone in the garage for taking
>> care of the people without Toyotas who ask me to look at their cars.
>> Windshield washer fluid is the cheapest stuff I can find on sale to buy a
>> case of in the spring. Tires are a mixed bag - whatever has the highest
>> tread wear rating on display in whatever store I happen to shop for tires
>> at in a brand I've heard of that isn't Firestone. I generally prefer
>> Die-Hard batteries from Sears or Interstate from the local Toyota dealer,
>> although I had a cheap no-name brand installed in the Avalon this month
>> when it was below zero, my son had to get to class, and the local gas
>> station was fast. I paid $97 for 1 hour labor to the gas station, which
>> is about the same as the Toyota dealer. If I didn't have an appointment
>> with a client, I would have swapped the battery out myself, saved the
>> labor charge, and got a better battery.
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>
>
> I am surprised no one else has mentioned this yet but after all of the
> bickering about the disclosure of what oil Ray uses I would like to
> mention that in my (and MANY others) humble opinions Syntec is NOT
> synthetic oil being only group 3 instead of group 4 thus Ray hasn't
> actually been using synthetic oil after all and this whole ongoing battle
> is suddenly a moot point.
>
> Daniel (uses Mobil 1 5W30 Non-EP and a Wix 51773 filter on a '95 Dodge
> Grand Caravan 3.3)

Hmmm, let's muddy the waters a little more. I switched to Syntec 2 oil
changes ago because it was cheaper than Mobil 1 and a friend who works for
Castrol says it is good stuff. Before that, it was Mobil 1.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
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"Daniel Who Wants to Know" wrote in
message
> I am surprised no one else has mentioned this yet but after all of the
> bickering about the disclosure of what oil Ray uses I would like to
> mention that in my (and MANY others) humble opinions Syntec is NOT
> synthetic oil being only group 3 instead of group 4 thus Ray hasn't
> actually been using synthetic oil after all and this whole ongoing battle
> is suddenly a moot point.

That cannot be correct. Ray is expert on Motor Oil.
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:41:17 -0500, "Mark A" wrote:

>"Daniel Who Wants to Know" wrote in
>message
>> I am surprised no one else has mentioned this yet but after all of the
>> bickering about the disclosure of what oil Ray uses I would like to
>> mention that in my (and MANY others) humble opinions Syntec is NOT
>> synthetic oil being only group 3 instead of group 4 thus Ray hasn't
>> actually been using synthetic oil after all and this whole ongoing battle
>> is suddenly a moot point.
>
>That cannot be correct. Ray is expert on Motor Oil.
>

and you are an expert in digital photography....NOT.

ROFLMAO

--
Scott in Florida
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"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message

>
> "Daniel Who Wants to Know" wrote in
> message
>>
>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BTW, I use Castrol Syntec 5W-30 and Toyota OEM oil filters in our '97
>>> Avalon with 130,000 miles, '03 Sequoia with 60,000 miles, and '01 LS 430
>>> with 80,000 miles, changed at 5,000 miles intervals. I change the oil
>>> myself, and a friend brings my old oil to the dealership where he works
>>> for disposal. I use conventional straight 30 weight in the lawnmower
>>> and snowblower and change the oil once a season. I pretty much use only
>>> OEM parts because I know their quality, and the local Toyota dealer is
>>> open until midnight on weekdays so it is very convenient for me. I use
>>> aftermarket windshield wiper blades and refills (Exact Fit) because they
>>> have been "good enough," and the other aftermarket parts I can think of
>>> that I use are Weathertech floor mats, which last longer than the OEM
>>> Toyota mats I ordered for the Sequoia, where the seam split in front of
>>> the accelerator pedal from the driver's heel. Coolant is Toyota red in
>>> our vehicles and I have some Peak or Prestone in the garage for taking
>>> care of the people without Toyotas who ask me to look at their cars.
>>> Windshield washer fluid is the cheapest stuff I can find on sale to buy
>>> a case of in the spring. Tires are a mixed bag - whatever has the
>>> highest tread wear rating on display in whatever store I happen to shop
>>> for tires at in a brand I've heard of that isn't Firestone. I generally
>>> prefer Die-Hard batteries from Sears or Interstate from the local Toyota
>>> dealer, although I had a cheap no-name brand installed in the Avalon
>>> this month when it was below zero, my son had to get to class, and the
>>> local gas station was fast. I paid $97 for 1 hour labor to the gas
>>> station, which is about the same as the Toyota dealer. If I didn't have
>>> an appointment with a client, I would have swapped the battery out
>>> myself, saved the labor charge, and got a better battery.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ray O
>>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>>
>>
>> I am surprised no one else has mentioned this yet but after all of the
>> bickering about the disclosure of what oil Ray uses I would like to
>> mention that in my (and MANY others) humble opinions Syntec is NOT
>> synthetic oil being only group 3 instead of group 4 thus Ray hasn't
>> actually been using synthetic oil after all and this whole ongoing battle
>> is suddenly a moot point.
>>
>> Daniel (uses Mobil 1 5W30 Non-EP and a Wix 51773 filter on a '95 Dodge
>> Grand Caravan 3.3)
>
> Hmmm, let's muddy the waters a little more. I switched to Syntec 2 oil
> changes ago because it was cheaper than Mobil 1 and a friend who works for
> Castrol says it is good stuff. Before that, it was Mobil 1.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
LOL I was trying to lighten the situation a bit but I guess I forgot the d
.. BTW the van (which I just bought) has 223,000 miles on it and I switched
to syn anyway. In case you don't know part numbers the 51773 filter is a
~1.5 quart beast with the same threads, gasket, and bypass valve specs as
the .5 quart 51085 stock filter and the 51515 1 quart filter. I know this
is the Toyota NG but just a side note to Ford and Chrysler owners on here.
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