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Mike Hunter

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:54 pm
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No wonder the truckers call it the Communist state. In my opinion the law
will be overturned in federal court as a violation of the Commerce Clause,
because of different costs to in and out of state drivers.

mike

Virginians Face $3,000 Traffic Ticket
By Dennis Cauchon,
USA Today
Posted: 2007-07-01 15:18:05
Filed Under: Law, Nation
(July 1) - Virginia is for lovers, or so the state slogan has declared since
1969. Starting today, Virginia also will be the home of the $3,000 traffic
ticket. In an effort to raise money for road projects, the state will start
hitting residents who commit serious traffic offenses with huge civil
penalties.

Virginia issued new traffic penalties Sunday charging resident drivers
exhorbitant (sic)fees for severe traffic violations.

Beginning Sunday, Virginia is adding new civil charges to traffic fines.
They range from $750 to $3,000 and will be added to existing fines and court
costs. The civil penalty for going 20 mph over the speed limit will be
$1,050, plus $61 in court costs and a fine that is typically about $200.

The new civil charges range from $750 to $3,000 and be added to existing
fines and court costs. The civil penalty for going 20 mph over the speed
limit will be $1,050, plus $61 in court costs and a fine that is typically
about $200.

Virginia's new traffic penalties are expected to raise $65 million a year
and are part of an effort to improve the state's roads without raising
taxes.

A first-time drunken driver will face a $2,250 civil penalty, plus fines and
court costs that typically run about $500 or more. Driving without a
license? That's a mandatory $900 civil penalty, in addition to the ordinary
$100 for a fine and court costs.

"It's outrageous," says traffic court attorney Thaddeus Furlong of
Springfield, Va. "When Mr. and Mrs. Middle Class find out what they have to
pay, there's going to be a backlash like you've never seen."

Some other states impose extra civil penalties for traffic offenses, but the
cost is usually $100 or $200, Furlong says. "What sets this apart is the
Draconian size of the civil penalties," he says.

Another difference: The civil penalties apply only to Virginia residents,
not out-of-state drivers. Virginians must pay in three installments over 26
months or lose their licenses. The state Legislature didn't think it could
enforce the extra penalties in other states.

Motorist club AAA Mid-Atlantic supports the new penalties.

"These penalties are harsh, but normal fines haven't gotten people to drive
sanely. Maybe this will," says Lon Anderson, spokesman for AAA Mid-Atlantic.

He says the new law will help reduce the nearly 1,000 traffic deaths the
state records annually.

"We wish motorists didn't have to pay more, but the fact is Virginia's
transportation trust fund is broke," Anderson says.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:47 pm
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Mike Hunter, 7/1/2007,9:54:06 PM, wrote:

> No wonder the truckers call it the Communist state. In my opinion
> the law will be overturned in federal court as a violation of the
> Commerce Clause, because of different costs to in and out of state
> drivers.
>
> mike
>
> Virginians Face $3,000 Traffic Ticket

Well, actually it is the "Commonwealth" of Virginia but you're not far
off the point. I seriously hope this law doesn't stay on the books
long. It seems a bit excessive, especially for a state that has a
billion dollar surplus. Maybe our new Democratic Governor has his
fingers involved in this and managed to twist some arms in the
Legislature.

--
"In general the art of government consists in taking as much money as
possible from one class of citizens to give it to the other." ~ Voltaire

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:55 pm
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Mike Hunter wrote:
> No wonder the truckers call it the Communist state. In my opinion the law
> will be overturned in federal court as a violation of the Commerce Clause,
> because of different costs to in and out of state drivers.
>
> mike
>
> Virginians Face $3,000 Traffic Ticket
> By Dennis Cauchon,
> USA Today
> Posted: 2007-07-01 15:18:05
> Filed Under: Law, Nation
> (July 1) - Virginia is for lovers, or so the state slogan has declared since
> 1969. Starting today, Virginia also will be the home of the $3,000 traffic
> ticket. In an effort to raise money for road projects, the state will start
> hitting residents who commit serious traffic offenses with huge civil
> penalties.
>
> Virginia issued new traffic penalties Sunday charging resident drivers
> exhorbitant (sic)fees for severe traffic violations.
>
> Beginning Sunday, Virginia is adding new civil charges to traffic fines.
> They range from $750 to $3,000 and will be added to existing fines and court
> costs. The civil penalty for going 20 mph over the speed limit will be
> $1,050, plus $61 in court costs and a fine that is typically about $200.
>
> The new civil charges range from $750 to $3,000 and be added to existing
> fines and court costs. The civil penalty for going 20 mph over the speed
> limit will be $1,050, plus $61 in court costs and a fine that is typically
> about $200.
>
> Virginia's new traffic penalties are expected to raise $65 million a year
> and are part of an effort to improve the state's roads without raising
> taxes.
>
> A first-time drunken driver will face a $2,250 civil penalty, plus fines and
> court costs that typically run about $500 or more. Driving without a
> license? That's a mandatory $900 civil penalty, in addition to the ordinary
> $100 for a fine and court costs.
>
> "It's outrageous," says traffic court attorney Thaddeus Furlong of
> Springfield, Va. "When Mr. and Mrs. Middle Class find out what they have to
> pay, there's going to be a backlash like you've never seen."
>
> Some other states impose extra civil penalties for traffic offenses, but the
> cost is usually $100 or $200, Furlong says. "What sets this apart is the
> Draconian size of the civil penalties," he says.
>
> Another difference: The civil penalties apply only to Virginia residents,
> not out-of-state drivers. Virginians must pay in three installments over 26
> months or lose their licenses. The state Legislature didn't think it could
> enforce the extra penalties in other states.
>
> Motorist club AAA Mid-Atlantic supports the new penalties.
>
> "These penalties are harsh, but normal fines haven't gotten people to drive
> sanely. Maybe this will," says Lon Anderson, spokesman for AAA Mid-Atlantic.

I am with the AAA on this one.

If these penalties will encourage people to drive better, so be it.

And I like the increased penalty for drunken driving.

I would like to see what all the fines are and compare them to the ones
in other states.

Jeff

> He says the new law will help reduce the nearly 1,000 traffic deaths the
> state records annually.
>
> "We wish motorists didn't have to pay more, but the fact is Virginia's
> transportation trust fund is broke," Anderson says.
>
>
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Hunter wrote:
>> No wonder the truckers call it the Communist state. In my opinion the
>> law will be overturned in federal court as a violation of the Commerce
>> Clause, because of different costs to in and out of state drivers.
>>
>> mike
>>
>> Virginians Face $3,000 Traffic Ticket
>> By Dennis Cauchon,
>> USA Today
>> Posted: 2007-07-01 15:18:05
>> Filed Under: Law, Nation
>> (July 1) - Virginia is for lovers, or so the state slogan has declared
>> since 1969. Starting today, Virginia also will be the home of the $3,000
>> traffic ticket. In an effort to raise money for road projects, the state
>> will start hitting residents who commit serious traffic offenses with
>> huge civil penalties.
>>
>> Virginia issued new traffic penalties Sunday charging resident drivers
>> exhorbitant (sic)fees for severe traffic violations.
>>
>> Beginning Sunday, Virginia is adding new civil charges to traffic fines.
>> They range from $750 to $3,000 and will be added to existing fines and
>> court costs. The civil penalty for going 20 mph over the speed limit will
>> be $1,050, plus $61 in court costs and a fine that is typically about
>> $200.
>>
>> The new civil charges range from $750 to $3,000 and be added to existing
>> fines and court costs. The civil penalty for going 20 mph over the speed
>> limit will be $1,050, plus $61 in court costs and a fine that is
>> typically about $200.
>>
>> Virginia's new traffic penalties are expected to raise $65 million a year
>> and are part of an effort to improve the state's roads without raising
>> taxes.
>>
>> A first-time drunken driver will face a $2,250 civil penalty, plus fines
>> and court costs that typically run about $500 or more. Driving without a
>> license? That's a mandatory $900 civil penalty, in addition to the
>> ordinary $100 for a fine and court costs.
>>
>> "It's outrageous," says traffic court attorney Thaddeus Furlong of
>> Springfield, Va. "When Mr. and Mrs. Middle Class find out what they have
>> to pay, there's going to be a backlash like you've never seen."
>>
>> Some other states impose extra civil penalties for traffic offenses, but
>> the cost is usually $100 or $200, Furlong says. "What sets this apart is
>> the Draconian size of the civil penalties," he says.
>>
>> Another difference: The civil penalties apply only to Virginia residents,
>> not out-of-state drivers. Virginians must pay in three installments over
>> 26 months or lose their licenses. The state Legislature didn't think it
>> could enforce the extra penalties in other states.
>>
>> Motorist club AAA Mid-Atlantic supports the new penalties.
>>
>> "These penalties are harsh, but normal fines haven't gotten people to
>> drive sanely. Maybe this will," says Lon Anderson, spokesman for AAA
>> Mid-Atlantic.
>
> I am with the AAA on this one.
>
> If these penalties will encourage people to drive better, so be it.
>
> And I like the increased penalty for drunken driving.
>
> I would like to see what all the fines are and compare them to the ones in
> other states.
>
> Jeff
>
>> He says the new law will help reduce the nearly 1,000 traffic deaths the
>> state records annually.
>>
>> "We wish motorists didn't have to pay more, but the fact is Virginia's
>> transportation trust fund is broke," Anderson says.
>>

I'd have to agree- no one puts a gun to some one's head and FORCES them to
drive drunk or without a license.
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On 2007-07-01 18:54:06 -0700, "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2.RemoveThis@mailcity.com> said:

> No wonder the truckers call it the Communist state. In my opinion the law
> will be overturned in federal court as a violation of the Commerce Clause,
> because of different costs to in and out of state drivers.
>
> mike
> <snip>

Man, I hate to come down on the side of more government restrictions
but I think this is a good idea; we could use it here (Tucson,
Arizona). We really have little to no traffic enforcement. Red light
running is very common (always check my rear view mirror when I stop
for a red light) and speeding is the norm. From time to time I visit my
old hometown, Seattle, and am always struck by the difference in
driving style. I mean no one in Tucson drives at 25 mph, ever! More
like 45 to 55 on town streets. I think we are beyond help without
similar "draconian" measures.
jor
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 DeleteThis @mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> No wonder the truckers call it the Communist state. In my opinion the law
> will be overturned in federal court as a violation of the Commerce Clause,
> because of different costs to in and out of state drivers.
>
> mike


Nothing wrong at all with the DWI penalty. The rest is bizarre.

Next: Mandatory annual road and vision tests for all drivers over 65. You
fail either and you better have taxi money for the rest of your life. Road
test examiners must be under 40 years old for this, so nobody gets passed
out of sympathy. We have way too many blind and dead people on the road.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:56 am
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Do the traffic cops have a "quota" of tickets that they must write each
month to show that they are "on the job" and "producing"? This was a
problem several years ago in the state where I live.
Lets hope that there are enough "actual" violators that they will not have
to rely on a quota. Of course, if this fine is desperately needed, and
drivers drive better to avoid the fine (and reduce needed income), then what
do the traffic police do? Its almost as if the government is hoping for
reckless drivers.
Was it one of the Caesars who said: "Government stays in power by creating
problems for which only they have the solution!" Nevertheless, Virginia is
a beautiful state.



"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2.DeleteThis@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:AP6dndJVba1exxXbnZ2dnUVZ_qupnZ2d@ptd.net...
>> No wonder the truckers call it the Communist state. In my opinion the
>> law will be overturned in federal court as a violation of the Commerce
>> Clause, because of different costs to in and out of state drivers.
>>
>> mike
>
>
> Nothing wrong at all with the DWI penalty. The rest is bizarre.
>
> Next: Mandatory annual road and vision tests for all drivers over 65. You
> fail either and you better have taxi money for the rest of your life. Road
> test examiners must be under 40 years old for this, so nobody gets passed
> out of sympathy. We have way too many blind and dead people on the road.
>
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In article <oo6ii.11411$B25.9449@news01.roc.ny>,
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> We have way too many blind and dead people on the road.


Yeah, I don't mind the blind ones or the dead ones, but the ones who are
blind *and* dead should certainly have their licenses revoked.
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In Illinois, for many years they have had a special requirement for older
drivers. I believe the age is around 70.
They have to get an eye examine, take the results to the auto license
examiner, who gets in the car passenger seat and requires the driver to
drive around for several minutes while the passenger checks him out. If the
senior passes, his license is renewed for 1 year. My Dad passed away 2
years ago at the age of 102. He held a valid drivers license at 101. The
examiner made him drive around for 45 minutes. Dad said that he really
didn't want to renew his license. He had never had an accident, had 20-40
vision, lived alone in his own home, and had never been in a hospital in his
life.
He chose not to renew his license at 102. He said that he felt that he was
getting too old to still drive.


"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2.TakeThisOut@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:AP6dndJVba1exxXbnZ2dnUVZ_qupnZ2d@ptd.net...
>> No wonder the truckers call it the Communist state. In my opinion the
>> law will be overturned in federal court as a violation of the Commerce
>> Clause, because of different costs to in and out of state drivers.
>>
>> mike
>
>
> Nothing wrong at all with the DWI penalty. The rest is bizarre.
>
> Next: Mandatory annual road and vision tests for all drivers over 65. You
> fail either and you better have taxi money for the rest of your life. Road
> test examiners must be under 40 years old for this, so nobody gets passed
> out of sympathy. We have way too many blind and dead people on the road.
>
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:55 am
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 RemoveThis @mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> No wonder the truckers call it the Communist state. In my opinion the law
> will be overturned in federal court as a violation of the Commerce Clause,
> because of different costs to in and out of state drivers.
>
> mike
>
> Virginians Face $3,000 Traffic Ticket
> By Dennis Cauchon,
> USA Today
> Posted: 2007-07-01 15:18:05
> Filed Under: Law, Nation
> (July 1) - Virginia is for lovers, or so the state slogan has declared
> since 1969. Starting today, Virginia also will be the home of the $3,000
> traffic ticket. In an effort to raise money for road projects, the state
> will start hitting residents who commit serious traffic offenses with huge
> civil penalties.
>
> Virginia issued new traffic penalties Sunday charging resident drivers
> exhorbitant (sic)fees for severe traffic violations.
>
> Beginning Sunday, Virginia is adding new civil charges to traffic fines.
> They range from $750 to $3,000 and will be added to existing fines and
> court costs. The civil penalty for going 20 mph over the speed limit will
> be $1,050, plus $61 in court costs and a fine that is typically about
> $200.
>
> The new civil charges range from $750 to $3,000 and be added to existing
> fines and court costs. The civil penalty for going 20 mph over the speed
> limit will be $1,050, plus $61 in court costs and a fine that is typically
> about $200.
>
> Virginia's new traffic penalties are expected to raise $65 million a year
> and are part of an effort to improve the state's roads without raising
> taxes.
>
> A first-time drunken driver will face a $2,250 civil penalty, plus fines
> and court costs that typically run about $500 or more. Driving without a
> license? That's a mandatory $900 civil penalty, in addition to the
> ordinary $100 for a fine and court costs.
>
> "It's outrageous," says traffic court attorney Thaddeus Furlong of
> Springfield, Va. "When Mr. and Mrs. Middle Class find out what they have
> to pay, there's going to be a backlash like you've never seen."
>
> Some other states impose extra civil penalties for traffic offenses, but
> the cost is usually $100 or $200, Furlong says. "What sets this apart is
> the Draconian size of the civil penalties," he says.
>
> Another difference: The civil penalties apply only to Virginia residents,
> not out-of-state drivers. Virginians must pay in three installments over
> 26 months or lose their licenses. The state Legislature didn't think it
> could enforce the extra penalties in other states.
>
> Motorist club AAA Mid-Atlantic supports the new penalties.
>
> "These penalties are harsh, but normal fines haven't gotten people to
> drive sanely. Maybe this will," says Lon Anderson, spokesman for AAA
> Mid-Atlantic.
>
> He says the new law will help reduce the nearly 1,000 traffic deaths the
> state records annually.
>
> "We wish motorists didn't have to pay more, but the fact is Virginia's
> transportation trust fund is broke," Anderson says.
>
>
I am all for most of the above. If the fine is high enough many will then
pay attention to the laws. There is no reason to go 20 miles over the speed
limit except maybe a short time to pass a slower moving car on a 2 lane
road. Also driving without a license I like the idea of a few weeks in jail
myself.

Funny how close to 50,000 people can get killed every year on the highways
and no one seems to mind. Just let about 3000 get killed when a plane hits
the sky scrapers and we goto war.
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All the cops need to do is open their eyes and they can write tickets all
day long, even if they ignore speed issues. Pull over everyone who's driving
at half the speed limit on local streets. Some will be drunks, and some will
be blind. There's a start.

A few years back, an old woman ran down two girls who were standing ON A
CURB on a quiet residential street. A *real* curb made of stone. She drove
away, but fortunately, a school bus driver (and a lot of kids) saw it
happen. She told the police she thought the girls were garbage cans. (That
made it OK???)


"Graybeard" <graybeard32.RemoveThis@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Do the traffic cops have a "quota" of tickets that they must write each
> month to show that they are "on the job" and "producing"? This was a
> problem several years ago in the state where I live.
> Lets hope that there are enough "actual" violators that they will not have
> to rely on a quota. Of course, if this fine is desperately needed, and
> drivers drive better to avoid the fine (and reduce needed income), then
> what do the traffic police do? Its almost as if the government is hoping
> for reckless drivers.
> Was it one of the Caesars who said: "Government stays in power by
> creating problems for which only they have the solution!" Nevertheless,
> Virginia is a beautiful state.
>
>
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:oo6ii.11411$B25.9449@news01.roc.ny...
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2.RemoveThis@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:AP6dndJVba1exxXbnZ2dnUVZ_qupnZ2d@ptd.net...
>>> No wonder the truckers call it the Communist state. In my opinion the
>>> law will be overturned in federal court as a violation of the Commerce
>>> Clause, because of different costs to in and out of state drivers.
>>>
>>> mike
>>
>>
>> Nothing wrong at all with the DWI penalty. The rest is bizarre.
>>
>> Next: Mandatory annual road and vision tests for all drivers over 65. You
>> fail either and you better have taxi money for the rest of your life.
>> Road test examiners must be under 40 years old for this, so nobody gets
>> passed out of sympathy. We have way too many blind and dead people on the
>> road.
>>
>
>
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The law should require that the examination be done by an opthalmologist, so
there's a better chance that such things as peripheral vision will be
checked.


"Graybeard" <graybeard32 RemoveThis @cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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> In Illinois, for many years they have had a special requirement for older
> drivers. I believe the age is around 70.
> They have to get an eye examine, take the results to the auto license
> examiner, who gets in the car passenger seat and requires the driver to
> drive around for several minutes while the passenger checks him out. If
> the senior passes, his license is renewed for 1 year. My Dad passed away
> 2 years ago at the age of 102. He held a valid drivers license at 101.
> The examiner made him drive around for 45 minutes. Dad said that he
> really didn't want to renew his license. He had never had an accident,
> had 20-40 vision, lived alone in his own home, and had never been in a
> hospital in his life.
> He chose not to renew his license at 102. He said that he felt that he
> was getting too old to still drive.
>
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:oo6ii.11411$B25.9449@news01.roc.ny...
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 RemoveThis @mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:AP6dndJVba1exxXbnZ2dnUVZ_qupnZ2d@ptd.net...
>>> No wonder the truckers call it the Communist state. In my opinion the
>>> law will be overturned in federal court as a violation of the Commerce
>>> Clause, because of different costs to in and out of state drivers.
>>>
>>> mike
>>
>>
>> Nothing wrong at all with the DWI penalty. The rest is bizarre.
>>
>> Next: Mandatory annual road and vision tests for all drivers over 65. You
>> fail either and you better have taxi money for the rest of your life.
>> Road test examiners must be under 40 years old for this, so nobody gets
>> passed out of sympathy. We have way too many blind and dead people on the
>> road.
>>
>
>
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:32 am
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"Graybeard" <graybeard32.DeleteThis@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Do the traffic cops have a "quota" of tickets that they must write each
> month to show that they are "on the job" and "producing"? This was a
> problem several years ago in the state where I live.

They do, but it goes by other euphemistic names. Wink (Acc. to my BIL, who's
a retired cop.)

Cathy


> Lets hope that there are enough "actual" violators that they will not have
> to rely on a quota. Of course, if this fine is desperately needed, and
> drivers drive better to avoid the fine (and reduce needed income), then
> what do the traffic police do? Its almost as if the government is hoping
> for reckless drivers.
> Was it one of the Caesars who said: "Government stays in power by
> creating problems for which only they have the solution!" Nevertheless,
> Virginia is a beautiful state.
>
>
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2.DeleteThis@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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>>> No wonder the truckers call it the Communist state. In my opinion the
>>> law will be overturned in federal court as a violation of the Commerce
>>> Clause, because of different costs to in and out of state drivers.
>>>
>>> mike
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>> Nothing wrong at all with the DWI penalty. The rest is bizarre.
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>> Next: Mandatory annual road and vision tests for all drivers over 65. You
>> fail either and you better have taxi money for the rest of your life.
>> Road test examiners must be under 40 years old for this, so nobody gets
>> passed out of sympathy. We have way too many blind and dead people on the
>> road.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:36 am
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> The law should require that the examination be done by an opthalmologist, so
> there's a better chance that such things as peripheral vision will be
> checked.
>

My eye exams have always included peripheral vision tests. This
includes the vision portion of my FAA medical exam done by a "regular"
(FAA approved) doctor, and annual vision exams done by my optometrist's
assistant.

The only time I've ever seen an ophthalmologist was when I got
fiberglass in my eye in a job site incident.

I don't see why you'd need to see a doctor capable of eye surgery to
determine basic vision fitness.
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"Cathy F." <clfrclfr.DeleteThis@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> "Graybeard" <graybeard32.DeleteThis@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> Do the traffic cops have a "quota" of tickets that they must write each
>> month to show that they are "on the job" and "producing"? This was a
>> problem several years ago in the state where I live.
>
> They do, but it goes by other euphemistic names. Wink (Acc. to my BIL,
> who's a retired cop.)
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> Cathy


When I first got into the car stereo biz in Long Island, we used to do CB
installations for the Nassau County highway guys. While they were hanging
around the garage, I'd ask them if they had quotas. The stock answer was
"Nah....we can write as many as we want". Translation: Don't ask. This was
before the Long Island Distressway was widened, so it was impossible to
speed. There was simply too much traffic. These guys made their quotas
writing up gravel trucks for uncovered loads.
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